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Gallup's Implausible Likely Voter Results

Posted: 10/15/2010 12:46 pm

It's a shocking result. According to the Gallup Poll, a generic Republican candidate currently leads a generic Democratic candidate by 17 points among likely voters in a hypothetical House matchup. A margin of that magnitude on Election Day would almost certainly result in a Republican gain of at least 80 seats in the House of Representatives and the largest GOP majority since the 1920's. But how plausible are Gallup's results?

An examination of some of the internals from the latest Gallup survey of likely voters leads to the conclusion that these results are wildly implausible. First, Gallup shows a much larger percentage of Republicans (55% Republican identifiers and leaners vs. 40% Democratic identifiers and leaners) and conservatives (51% conservative vs. 28% moderates and 18% liberals) than we've ever seen in a modern election. They also show a smaller percentage of voters under the age of 30 (7%) and a larger percentage of voters over the age of 65 (27%) than we've seen in any modern election. But that's not all. The candidate preference results for some subgroups of voters are just wildly implausible.

Gallup's latest likely voter survey shows a generic Republican leading a generic Democrat by a whopping 28 points among whites, 62% to 34%. To put those numbers in perspective, in 1994, according to national exit poll data, Republicans only won the white vote by 16 points, 58% to 42%, and that was their best showing since the advent of exit polling. Gallup is telling us that right now the Republican lead among whites who are likely to vote is 12 points larger than the GOP margin among whites in 1994.

But that's not the most implausible result in the latest Gallup likely voter survey. Among nonwhites other than blacks, a group that comprises about 13% of likely voters, a generic Republican is leading a generic Democrat by 10 points, 52% to 42%. That's a group that voted Democratic by a 2-1 margin in the 2006 midterm election. Moreover, it's a group that has never given a majority of its vote to Republican candidates for Congress in any election since the advent of exit polling. According to the 2006 exit poll results, about two-thirds of these "other nonwhite" voters are Latinos. How plausible is it that at a time when the Republican Party is closely associated with stridently anti-immigrant policies that Latino voters are moving in droves toward Republican candidates? Not plausible at all, especially when Gallup's results are directly contradicted by other recent polls of Latino voters.

The Gallup Poll should be commended for making their internals available to interested observers for secondary analysis -- few other polling organizations are so generous with their data. And to be fair to Gallup, they have cautioned that these results are not a prediction of what will happen on Election Day, only a snapshot of current voter attitudes. But what is the value of putting out results that defy logic but which can influence perceptions of the current electoral climate among political elites as well as the public?

 
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lldem1
An American Investor
11:31 AM on 11/03/2010
Well, this poll was definitely a snapshot.
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Bowedoak
07:36 PM on 10/24/2010
Real Clear Politics has aggregate poll data from 08, on Sept 16, McCain was leading in most polls. By Nov 3, Obama was leading by 6. This Gallup Poll was taken 1 week later, respectively, than those polls.
Since then, we have seen Christine O'Donnell not understand the intent of separation of church and state in the constitution. We have seen a GOP driven "DO NOT VOTE" campaign backfire among Hispanics. We have seen Joe Miller's security force arrest a reporter. We have seen Angle tell a group of high schoolers, that our northern border is the one she is concerned about and that they don't look Hispanic, but Asian. We have seen Buck say that homosexuality is like alcoholism and today we have Bush saying his biggest failure in office was not privatizing social security.
In the meantime, Palin is rallying crowds of up to a few thousand while Obama is speaking to sold out crowds 15-30,000+ every where he goes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls
09:32 AM on 10/24/2010
Gallup has posted a courteous but crushing rejoinder. Professor Abramowitz just doesn't like Gallup's results, so he has launched a misguided attack on Gallup's methodology. He has damaged only himself.
miloiki
sweet as can be
04:10 PM on 10/23/2010
The Dems will gain seats in the House, gain seats in the Senate, and Obama will be declared the greatest President EVER. All these polls will prove to be totally wrong. And all my hair will grow back overnight.
12:16 AM on 10/24/2010
Exactly, ALL the polls and Americans answering them are just wrong. Silly peasantry, only the liberal media and "ruling elite" are "right thinking." Our President has told us so over (guns & religion) and over (fear clouds thought) and over (the Empire strikes back).
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lldem1
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07:41 PM on 10/21/2010
"But what is the value of putting out results that defy logic but which can influence perceptions of the current electoral climate among political elites as well as the public?"

It's a poll. People who are influenced by polls have no value. They should study the candidates. Not base their decision on polls and pundits. Looks like Gallup is assuming that people are not persuaded by polls. Let's hope they're right.
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06:57 PM on 10/21/2010
I don't know what the Tea Party is going to do if they don't take over. Maybe self-destruct....10 - 9 - 8 - 7
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lldem1
An American Investor
07:43 PM on 10/21/2010
i wish liberals and fundamentalists would both self destruct. neither political mandates are good for this or any country.
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George Hanshaw
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09:02 PM on 10/23/2010
I would disagree totally. I think the problem has been the political regulars, most of whom would probably be called 'moderates.'

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a great fan of the 'progressives' nor the 'social' conservatives. But love em or hate them, both have the courage of their convictions.

I believe if we enacted the whole 'progressive' agenda we would soon have a situation like the USSR in 1989. The economy was dystfunctional. The ruble was worthless. Food and all the essentials of life were dirt cheap in the state stores - except they didn't have any. The workers joked about it, 'We pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us.'

But that would only be about thirty of forty years of ugliness. It wouldn't destroy our grandchildrens' future. And then we'd start over.

Similarly, if the economic conservatives get their way, the scope of government will be cut back significantly. That would be devastating for those people whose entire culture has been so warped by disincentives to self-support that they are now at risk to Darwining themselves out of existence if their support system is cut back. Yet despite the ugliness this would cause, we would survive.

It's the 'moderate' politicians that do the deals that let us dig ourselves in deeper. We are as adversely levered as we can be. Yet they continue to dig us in deeper, trusting that the music will stop on someone else's watch.
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Bart DePalma
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04:30 PM on 10/20/2010
Prof Abromowitz:

Gallup is using the same likely voter methodology as it had when you relied upon its figures for your prior cycles.

Nor does it appear that we are dealing with a single outlier poll. Today, Gallup released its third week of LV results and they are statistically identical to the prior two.

Gallup is hardly alone by offering polling results favoring the GOP that are unprecedented in modern polling history. Several polling firms have been showing historic numbers since last summer.

The Dems lost the Indis last summer after they enacted Obamacare in the face of widespread voter opposition. When you combine this with the extraordinary enthusiasm of several million of us Tea Party voters, we are seeing a once in a century electoral wave. The interesting question is whether this is a conservative realignment wave where the left has lost the center for the foreseeable future.
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democratsaint
The GOP-The Humpty Dumpty of economics
06:30 PM on 10/20/2010
widespread voter opposition?only 1/3 want it repealed, of the 2/3 that say they don't like it,1/2 want MORE reform,if given a choice between the dem and repu version 2/3 would choose the democrat.there is NO widespread opposition ,except among republicans.who by the way as long ago as 1993 said health care was broken and DID NOTHING about it,how great of a leadership that was.
a lot of what they are bitching about in the health car is REPUBLICAN suggestions,ie the requirement to make people buy health care insurance.just ot job your memory,bush ran on cap and trade in 2000 and mccain proposed taxing benefits in 2008.its a great idea if the irght proposes it,but if a dmeocrat proposes the same thing its bad.
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Fred Bastie
03:31 PM on 10/23/2010
But McCain proposed ending employer tax credits for health insurance which basically takes away the mandated client base of the insurance companies thereby forcing them to compete on the basis of premium prices, services, honoring their contracts etc. And he was for giving credits to the individual taxpayer so the insured could make the best decisions for their own coverage needs. For a young couple that may be catastrophic major medical only- a much cheaper premium, for families, it could be HSA plans where after a deductible the insurance company pays 100% and you can rollover the tax free savings balance to the next year, also a cheaper premium. Instead the voters still think you can really give 120 million "FREE" health care.

Obamacare by contrast is mandating an even bigger market to the health insurance companies. That is why the insurance companies actually supported it at first. It also does not allow competitive bidding for drugs hence the Big Pharma support. In Bush's idiotic Medicare Part D vote buying scheme, the Democrats voted down competitive bidding for drugs - so much for their support of the middle-class.

Both parties are corrupt. We should pick Washington D,C. up and throw it in the ocean - start fresh, paying only the average private sector wages to each legislator, provide an efficiency apartment only in DC and only raise their salary when the average private sector salary increases. That would end a lot of the crony capitalism we have now in DC.
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06:59 PM on 10/20/2010
The voters are the ones who demanded the health insurance companies stop ripping them off. Affordable care was the answer that stops people from being tossed off when they are sick. Keeps the kids insured in collage and limits cost increases. The problem is that Republicans are so good ar telling non truths. Once people know what is in that bill, they love it.
06:40 AM on 10/20/2010
keep whistling past the graveyard, 'progressives'...it will make the results all the more enjoyable

All loyal Democarts out there, do your part and VOTE on Nov 3!
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democratsaint
The GOP-The Humpty Dumpty of economics
06:34 PM on 10/20/2010
a study showed that the polls don;t use cell phones and that makes them 5% more republican. only 30% of registered voters are republicans,only 20% are republican conservetives.i remember
sean whining cause the polls only had 30% republican data.
2008 they whined cause obama outspent them,and said he bought the election,boy they are sure quite about the money they are raising.want even say where it comes from.
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07:01 PM on 10/20/2010
Now days with Skype and unlisted and unregistered call phones belonging to younger working Democrats, and students, cannot be reached to poll so the polls are way off.
08:54 PM on 10/23/2010
Well, the pollsters did all right in 2008. You'll have to find solace somewhere else. Sorry.
09:10 PM on 10/19/2010
http://richardcharnin.com/2010ElectionForecastModels.htm

Pollsters Are Paid To Predict the Recorded Vote - Not the True Vote

The media/pollster drumbeat of a “horse race” is largely based on the LV polls. The focus on LV polls conditions the public to expect a recorded vote which in fact will surely understate the True Democratic share. The pollsters discount the RV sample, fully expecting that their LV projections will be a close match to a fraudulent recorded vote - but they never mention the F-word. They know that votes are miscounted in every election. And so their final LV-based poll predictions are usually quite accurate. Pollsters are paid to predict the recorded vote - not the True Vote.

As Election Day approaches, the MSM gradually phases out RV polls for LV polls which lowball the projected Democratic vote share. And so the general public is prepared for the fraudulent recorded vote-counts that the MSM knows are coming.

Since 2000, LV poll projections have closely matched recorded vote shares while RV poll projections closely matched unadjusted and preliminary state and national exit polls. In each election, the final exit polls were forced to match the recorded vote. In 2004 and 2008, the Final National Exit Poll required impossible returning Bush voter turnout in order to match the recorded vote. Since pre-election LV poll predictions also matched the recorded vote, what can we conclude?
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smurrayesq
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09:44 PM on 10/18/2010
I know that Gallup calls me all the time. I see it on the caller ID. They call while I am at work, so I never get to respond.
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lldem1
An American Investor
07:44 PM on 10/21/2010
use call forwarding to your work or cell phone. i do.
08:59 PM on 10/23/2010
They call you all the time? Really? I've been a RV since 1988 and I've never received a call.
06:14 PM on 10/18/2010
You say it is implausible because it has never happened...we have heard this before.

They said national home prices could not decline for more than a single year, and never more than 2-3%. They declined for 3 straight years and the average decline is roughly 10%.

That was implausible too. It happened.

I would be the first to suggest that the Gallup low turnout model is a worst case scenario for Democrats, and I am sure they would say the same.

However, this is the same methodology that was applied in every election going back 10-12 years. Gallup makes adjustments for cell phone use as well.

This was exactly the same methodology that predicted that Obama would roll to a relatively easy victory just 24 months ago.

The results speak for themselves. There is a tremendous lack of energy among Democrats while Conservatives, Libertarians and Independents are energized.

All of the demagoguery of the Tea Party only served to galvanize the movement as a counter-establishment force. Calling someone a culturally-backward racist, especially without evidence, will motivate them to strike back in some way.

The attack on the US Chamber as being controlled by foreigners will go down as one of the most incompetent political moves in history. Set aside the fact that the premise itself is delusional, it solidifies Obama's anti-business, anti-jobs perception.
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democratsaint
The GOP-The Humpty Dumpty of economics
06:36 PM on 10/20/2010
um they only polled 30% republican on the past as that is the number of registered voters who are republicans,not 55%
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code blue
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05:17 PM on 10/21/2010
Nate Silver said Sestak couldn't come back from behind to defeat Toomey, and now the race is a toss-up.
08:59 PM on 10/23/2010
Based on bad polls.
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WeCanDoMore
Enjoying a fact based reality.
12:29 PM on 10/18/2010
GOP has infiltrated Gallop. When GOP win by fraud, they can point to fraudulent polls to back them up. We need accountable, verifiable voting methods. Whenever it's "close" GOP wins, excepting MN, where Al busted the BS. In reality, American are by an large, not r@cist and too smart to vote in billionaires best interest over their own. With out election tampering, fraud, GOP would not win.
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
08:58 AM on 10/18/2010
"...Gallup shows a much larger percentage of Republicans (55% Republican identifiers and leaners vs. 40% Democratic identifiers and leaners) and conservatives (51% conservative vs. 28% moderates and 18% liberals) than we've ever seen in a modern election. They also show a smaller percentage of voters under the age of 30 (7%) and a larger percentage of voters over the age of 65 (27%) than we've seen in any modern election."

So the argument is that "these results are different from prior results and so we simply choose not to believe them."

But this year more people ARE identifying with conservatism, more Republicans are fired up to vote than Democrats, etc.

So the polls may be accurate and your sticking to prior data may be the error.
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
09:44 AM on 10/18/2010
Perhaps this could explain it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101017/ap_on_el_ge/us_ap_poll_obama_voters

25% of the people who voted for Obama have become conservative Republicans--or perhaps returned to being conservative Republicans.
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4QDC
Bring it on Hoffa!
02:45 PM on 10/18/2010
I voted for Obama. I believed the rhetoric. I was so wrong.

I too was sick of Bush and the neoCons.

But you can count me as one who voted for the empty promise of change and regrets having ever done so. I would vote for ANY Tea Party candidate today over ANY Democrat ... that's how alienated I feel after the past two years.

I am not alone. The Dems have done NOTHING to support an ailing middle class. The Dems have served only vested interests with have NOTHING to do with the actual well-being of the middle class in America.

No matter how hard your media works at obfuscating and hiding the truth, the truth will surface. And the truth is, both GOP and Dems are corrupt. GOP gets the nod this time because they are closer to the true-conservative soul of this nation. But if the GOP falters again, as they did under Bush, they too will be expelled.
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code blue
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05:21 PM on 10/21/2010
Ha! The trr0||s can't even read an article by a McCain staffer. Go back and re-read the article. What it says is that 25% are not yet committed to their congressional democrat. It doesn't say they are voting Republican.
10:33 PM on 10/17/2010
Vote in two's or more on November 2nd and VOTE DEMOCRAT! Bring a friend or family member with you to vote. Lets prove FOX News and the Republicans wrong by keeping control of the House of Representatives and Senate. Are we going to allow FOX News and the Republicans win control of congress? The only way to prevent this is to vote. VOTE DEMOCRAT ON NOVEMBER 2ND!
04:49 AM on 10/18/2010
"by keeping control of the House of Representatives and Senate"

lol won't happen
05:05 PM on 10/17/2010
For get that Gallup poll crap us Democrats will vote and in big numbers.