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A Conversation On 9/11

Posted: 09/08/11 12:32 PM ET

The 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks is in just three days. Much has happened in this country since that Tuesday morning in 2001. Tonight (Thursday), I will moderate a discussion about the political and cultural after-effects of 9/11 for New York Public Theatre's Public Forum program. The evening will offer a reading of author Richard Nelson's new play, Sweet and Sad, as well as insights from radio host and author Kurt Andersen, journalist and author Carl Bernstein and the playwright.

The attacks of 2001 remain unshakably frustrating for me. The US government's response to these events has seemed grossly insufficient and perhaps even negligent in terms of this country's long-term interests. I keep asking myself why the group responsible for 9/11 committed these acts. What did/does the US and its policies represent to these people? Beyond some vague conception of jihad and other fundamentalist Muslim madness that has been introduced to Americans -- and that has been kept fresh in our minds for a decade now -- I often think, "What are the changes we need to be making here at home in addition to the changes we seek to effect elsewhere in the world?"

I refer to real changes; changes in the demands we make as Americans on energy supply, infrastructure, natural resources, the environment and our own health in order to do what Americans have grown to expect as their birthright: to be able to go anywhere, do anything, buy anything and as much of it as they want, whenever they want.

A birthright that is now slipping away -- and quickly.

Is the current, rapid erosion of our standard of living in part the result of our leaders' reactions to 9/11? Did a trillion dollars worth of wars with no tax hikes, in addition to a corrupt, usurious real estate lending market, Europe's financial collapse, China's currency hegemony and their invulnerability to other common market imperatives (e.g., little to no environmental regulation) and a spate of fierce natural disasters collectively bring us to this brink?

Did our response to the 9/11 attacks need to lean so heavily on attacking others? 10 years ago, only a small percentage of this country's federal intelligence community spoke any of the languages of the Muslim world. Has our ability to understand that region, not just linguistically, but culturally and politically, improved? These factors and others like them matter, particularly in light of the Arab Spring and the recent widespread upheaval in that region.

But perhaps most important of all is the question: has American Narcissism changed? By that I mean, how the US has spent so much of the post-Word War II period believing we are always the dominant actor in world affairs and that others must always react the way we need them to.

This evening, I want to moderate a program that touches on the shared horror and grief of September 11th, to honor the lives lost and to celebrate the heroism and integrity of so many Americans in response to that tragedy. But I also want to talk about what we have learned: that 9/11 is a reminder about how, after that day, America is not the same and never will be. I want to talk about how we need to recognize that hard fact before it is truly possible to move forward.

As unimaginable and cowardly as the 9/11 attacks were, it's important to ask ourselves what we must learn from them. Not just about terrorism, but about our country and ourselves as well.

 
The 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks is in just three days. Much has happened in this country since that Tuesday morning in 2001. Tonight (Thursday), I will moderate a discussion about t...
The 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks is in just three days. Much has happened in this country since that Tuesday morning in 2001. Tonight (Thursday), I will moderate a discussion about t...
 
 
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11:48 PM on 09/12/2011
Much of what Mr. Baldwin says regarding our involvement in war after war since 9/11 resonates true. Also, the fact that there is so much turmoil and unrest throughout the entire Middle East at this time makes it unlikely that our relationship with these countries will effectively change any time soon. These people are fighting a battle for freedom and a voice, a battle we have fought and won many times over in this country. The fact that they have been victims of unspeakable horrors, genocide and atrocities of every kind has nothing to do with our views, our lifestyles, our government or policies with the Middle East. I somehow sense that you are saying that the United States provoked this attack in some way. What did we do or could we have done to prevent this despicable act? Nothing. These vicious extremists are born to hate "America". No reason other than that we are not like them and therefore deserve to die a horrible death. Can America learn from 9/11? We can learn and have learned that there are people out there who will hate us just because.
The real question is what have they learned? Nothing. We need to be vigilant and beware. Peace is not their agenda. I wish peace to all who want it and to all those fighting the vicious greedy dictators who have taken their freedom from them.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
02:53 PM on 09/12/2011
@Walterego-
"No, that's pretty cowardly. You're assuming that the person blowing up doesn't want to die. "
-- And what are you assuming, Walt?
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
07:10 AM on 09/12/2011
PART 3 OF 3:
With all this America is now confronted with two major problems: a) An economy that is proceeding from bad to worse with a DD in sight, and an ever increasing divide between the rich and the not so rich, and b) An ever increasing misunderstanding between America and the Islamic world.
Both these issues need to be addressed, and both the gaps reduced, not just for the good of America and the Islamic World, but in the interest of the world at large.
Now I do not know what the precise solutions are for these problems as the complexities are far in excess of my level of intelligence. But I can say with a degree of confidence that a full fledged cooperation between R and D and a collective approach to understand and address the issues is a paramount necessity to find solutions.
All in all, AB has written a nice article, and if it helps to provide a platform to build a large scale awareness that a sea change is required in the approach and attitude of the Republicans, then I`ll be the first to congratulate him.
I am not saying that these interactions will actually lead the Republicans to mend their ways so that America can regain its earlier impression as the best nation in the world to live in.
I am also not saying that America will regain that status if the Republicans don`t mend their ways.
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JBDenver
1% - Not just for milk anymore
11:19 AM on 09/12/2011
Your point may be well taken if: 1. we had a Republican in the White House, 2. If the Sect'y of State had been appointed by a Republican, 3. If the majority leader in the Senate were a republican, 4. If the leader of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs were chaired by a Republican, 5. If the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee was chaired by a Republican...on and on.

Your pontificating that these are faults of Republicans past and their alliance with the rich and powerful but fail to recognize that Obama's largest campaign contributors aside from the University of California and Harvard were Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan/Chase, Citigroup, Microsoft, Time Warner, etc. - you know, the little people.

The Dem's have control because they convinced the electorate way back in 2008 that they had the right answers... While your response was lengthy, at the end of the day it was little more than mental masturbation...much like the solutions offered by the current group in power.
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
12:42 PM on 09/12/2011
I believe the damage was done in the past by the various R`s. The current leadership is engaged only in damage control, and in this respect the D is getting precious little cooperation from R in terms of matters relating to economy.
As regards relations with Islam, it cannot be said that Obama is failing, definitely not when you compare his performance with that of Bush.
I am talking of the mistakes made in the past and it cannot be denied that in this regard the Reps have a big lead over the Dems. Perhaps the ratio is in excess of 3 : 1.
Regarding contributions to campaign, its the system that needs to be blamed.
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
01:17 PM on 09/13/2011
I had given only one solution/suggestion: A collective approach towards decision making and arriving at all important decisions by consensus and not by compromise.
Was I wrong in this?
Should not the common man feel confident in the leadership, that he is in good hands? Does not a crisis in confidence in the leadership – particularly in matters of economy – lead to a pessimistic approach, making it worse and worse for the economy?
Is all this so difficult to understand ?
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
07:02 AM on 09/12/2011
PART 2 OF 3:
More than a hundred books have been written on these issues – some of them eye-opening – and if one were to scrutinize this past history from a neutral perspective as if observed by a being from outer space who has watched everything, one is likely to conclude that America has played into the hands of `Politics of power` and its political leadership has faltered. It has consistently been making blundering wrong decisions both in terms of handling its affairs with the rest of the world, as well as handling the economy. Without doubt, it is the leadership which must be held responsible for the current state of affairs. A close analysis of the past few decades of American history will reveal that a vast majority of these blunderingly wrong decisions were made during the tenure of the Republicans, and the few wrong ones during the tenure of the Democrats were made all because of limited options available to them. The common man in America is very well aware of all these aspects , but appears to be helpless, as long as the rich and arrogant section continues to sponsor the Republicans and enables them to have a say in everything that is important. In short Democracy is not working in America for some time, as a collective approach towards governance is missing.
(To be continued)
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
06:53 AM on 09/12/2011
PART 1 OF 3:
It’s a nice article and I am somewhat inclined to appreciate it.
But I find Alec is only asking questions. These are complex issues.Sometimes he should come back with his responses to the reader`s views and give us some answers.

Past history of at least the last seventy years or so, along with a serious understanding of the laws of causation, must be taken into consideration before deciding on the course of action that the American people or rather the American leadership must take, if America desires to regain the impression it once had in the eyes of the world.
Once it was considered the best place in the world to be in.
In the words of Einstein: .. ``it has an international `psyche`. it constitutes the bulwark of the democratic way of life, it has demonstrated that individual freedom provides a better basis for productive labor than any form of tyranny, its political and economic position is so powerful that it can help the world by breaking the tradition of war from which the world suffered``…
All that has changed now. Having become rich and powerful, America also tended to become selfish and arrogant, selfish in the sense that it started grabbing a disproportionately higher share of the world`s resources and arrogant in the sense that in order to ensure the safety and security of its own people, America took recourse to large scale interferences in the affairs of other countries.
(To be continued)
07:21 PM on 09/12/2011
The fact of the matter is 911 was and is our wake ucall to a reality that all the rest of the world is very familiar with on a daily basis; TERRORISM. It was a very wicked intelligence which wrought the bombing of the New York Twin Towers, but intelligence nontheless. I stood atop of the Towers on holiday in New York some time ago. However, my anger will not bring back anything nor anyone. The move about freely idea is very unrealistic it is not a total reality for many American citizens right here in our own country. Ah, get a tan and visit some places in Georgia or other parts of the rural South with a person color and you will know immediately what I am talking about. Setting examples requires that we first are living them. i wonder why the area was not made a 'no fly zone" after the first bombing attempts of these beloved American landmarks? Shoot anything that comes near the new building or buildings which should have been rebuilt immediately rather than wasting our time with revenge and the thoughts thereof. Yet, as always, everyone is entitled to their opinion. All religions have fanatics. Remember this fact as you plan,plot,and scheme.
09:44 PM on 09/11/2011
Alec Baldwin recently revealed that he likes living in Central Park West (in the Dakota, I believe) because he gets to mingle with real people there. Enough said.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Fighting for Common Sense
07:15 PM on 09/11/2011
As usual, Mr. Baldwin writes about his dislike for America. Viewing freedom as if it were wrong. Obama-like apologies for existing and suggesting all Americans are responsible for any act of aggression towards them. Disgusting...
08:08 PM on 09/11/2011
You must have read a different article. I didn't find any hint of dislike in the content or tone, but I suspect your own anger supplied that. Your moniker really says it all -- It's YOU who have issues.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Fighting for Common Sense
11:30 PM on 09/11/2011
I have issues with those who choose to apologize for doing what is right. Of course you didn't see anything wrong with what dear Alec is saying...you're of the same cloth, the same mold, the same sad, liberal clan that can't understand stand to see anyone prosper.
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odyssey58
08:18 PM on 09/11/2011
Mr. Baldwin dislikes America???? He has the courage to ask the questions that should have been asked over the last decade.
And maybe we have less freedom now BECAUSE we refused to engage in self reflection and just said (as Ben Stein said on CBS Sunday Morning) "they're bad we're good."
Not liking American Arrogance does NOT mean that you don't like America.
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LI2USsomemore
my dog has midriff bULGe
08:34 PM on 09/11/2011
People who believe their "FightingforCommonSense" are often narcissistic, as they associate freedom with exceptional-ism and lack a historical perspective.

As much as I disliked Apoaso's comment, I liked yours. :-)
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Fighting for Common Sense
11:33 PM on 09/11/2011
"Not liking American Arrogance does NOT mean that you don't like America." -- od

Acting upon it does.
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StrawHat
Eat veggies, don't vote for them
06:53 PM on 09/11/2011
We are a more polarized nation, which makes me very sad.

Some of us took stock that day and wanted to understand, to reach out and prevent future attacks -- while others wanted to lash out, kill and dominate.

As long as our reaction to the attacks remains heavily weighted towards the lash out/kill/dominate pole of this duality, we won't make any real progress towards lasting peace.
06:29 PM on 09/11/2011
Reason for hope: Senator Mike Gravels ballot intitiative: http://9-11cc.org/

we can take our country back
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nixthetrix
aiming for the center , being pushed to the left
11:15 PM on 09/11/2011
As soon as you ask how a plane could 'disintegrate' when it hit the pentagon , I will be glad to offer my support . Otherwise , let me see if I have this straight ... Terrorists flying planes into buildings was possibly orchestrated by rogue government agents . Sorry man , I am not buying that . BTW , ballot initiatives have caused a complete mess . If we need to resort to that what does it say about our ability to elect people to represent us in government ? It says that the people of California and Arizona are not competent to actually vote . You would be partially correct .
01:23 PM on 09/12/2011
not "rogue" agents. that would not go high enough. Who was in charge of security for the wtc towers. start there.
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WilliamL
06:12 PM on 09/11/2011
The attacks were in response to our Foriegn Policy in the middle-east.
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modeforjoe
We had the experience, but we missed the meaning
09:27 PM on 09/11/2011
So simple and obvious. Can't understand why MSM blabbermouths haven't picked up on that. Or legislators who are supposedly watching out for America.
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WilliamL
03:57 PM on 09/12/2011
Those behind the attacks clearly stated why the attacks occured but those reasons were overlooked, denied, lost, and or ignored.
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nixthetrix
aiming for the center , being pushed to the left
11:19 PM on 09/11/2011
The attacks were the result of some people declaring that other people's lives are so insignificant that the attackers could snuff them out without remorse or second thought . Ummm, that is the definition of barbarism . The peoples of the middle east should (and now are) hold their governments accountable for their situation . It takes 2 to tango .
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Aine
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01:40 AM on 09/12/2011
2 main reasons for 9/11 (as stated by Bin Laden in 2004 on behalf of Al Qaeda):

1. US military occupying (and expanding on) Saudi Arabian soil.
2. US financial & materiel support to Israel & not making them stop settlements in Palestinian territory.

Religion, you'll note, isn't even mentioned. Now, look at what the planes crashed into because the rest of the clues are right there.
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chlai88
Change is the only constant
04:31 PM on 09/11/2011
But perhaps most important of all is the question: has American Narcissism changed? It inevitably has to change. Resources getting scarcer, planet getting overcrowded, environment getting attacked. We've had it extremely good post-WWII. But we can't continue our embarrassingly extravagant consumption levels anymore. We also can't expect our govt to continue running roughshod over the world anymore to satisfy our own insatiable thirst. This increasingly smaller planet is now challenging our long cherished beggar-thy-neighbor individualism and capitalism. The words "community", "sharing", "cooperation" are often derided as gay and vulgar. But it's either we start learning to share or we end up all fighting over the crumbs that's left.
04:01 PM on 09/11/2011
I'm glad Alec brought up the issue. However, as long as are the very poor in all the Middle East countries and fanatical people who are willing to recruit them, there will continue to be terrorism. Same thing with the people who hijack vessels off the coast of Africa for money. When there are the have and have nots and things are getting any better this will continue to happen.
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sixchair
capitalist, job creator, progressive.
03:55 PM on 09/11/2011
Interesting how a bunch of Banana Republicans showed up for the photo opp 10 months after voting, to a person, to deny funding for care for first responders.

That's the introspection that's called for today.

And to remember those whose lives were sacrificed to their incompetence/negligence.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
03:53 PM on 09/11/2011
More than anything, 9/11 was the one chance to unite the whole world, but Bush squandered it.
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SpencersMom
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one
11:00 PM on 09/11/2011
Rove reminded him that he had to split this nation into the "Yer either with us or against us!" factions in order to Iie his/their way into Iraq, keep the amazingly irresponsible tax cuts in place, and drive Americans into unprecedented debt so that his base, the "have mores", could have even more and the 'pubs could remain in power.

But how quickly everyone forgets...
03:50 PM on 09/11/2011
Why is it an Americans birthright to have anything (and as much as) they want ? There are 5 million orphans in Irak ..what about thier birthright ? ...to have parents that were not killed by foriegners invaders ?
9/11 was a sad day ...how many more sad grieving days before the USA feels avenged ?