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Alec Baldwin

Alec Baldwin

Posted: January 15, 2011 11:33 AM

I remember, while growing up in the New York area, learning about the Kitty Genovese story. Genovese was a young woman who, in 1964, was stabbed late one evening in Queens while returning home from work. Genovese, reportedly, was initially stabbed and cried for help. When no one responded to her desperate pleas, the attacker came back again, stabbing her multiple times and raping her, all over a period said to have lasted a half hour.

Some speculated that the woman's cries were the result of a marital dispute and, therefore, they should not interfere. Consider how far we have come in that regard.

New York itself was at a significant crossroads then. In 1964, some five years after President Eisenhower broke ground on Lincoln Center, the city that imagined itself becoming the cultural tower of America was still largely a patchwork of racially and ethnically checkered neighborhoods. The Genovese murder and the infamous events surrounding it made New York seem like a nihilistic corner in some degenerate town. Response to Genovese's murder was plaintive and went on for years. Her name became synonymous with the "bystander effect", as researchers concluded that the more people watch a catastrophic event, the less likely they are to offer to help. New Yorkers, I believe, changed a bit after that.

After 9/11, America was forced to accept a raft of changes. We went to war, whether we could afford it or not. Men and women died, by the thousands, on both sides. Our government lied to us in order to cover-up their motivations. We went broke. The airlines were quick to take advantage of the new climate of security at the expense of all else. Whatever shreds of elegance were left in the US airline industry (most of it gone after the death of Pan Am) were yanked out and replaced with the public school bus system we fly on now.

A guy tried to light his sneaker on fire, now you have to get on a plane as if you were entering the White House.

Yet Americans have accepted these changes. Unhappily, yes. But they have learned to mutter their epithets to themselves as they pass through the airport like attending a Catholic school dance in the 1950's. We have been forced to accept an overwhelming amount of change in the past decade, and we have done so because we believed it was the right thing to do.

There is change that follows most events like the Genovese murder. The assassinations in the 1960's. Watergate. 9/11.

What do you think are the appropriate changes that should follow the shooting of a US Congresswoman while she purposefully held a meeting in a public place in her district? Knowing that several other innocent people died, including a small child, and others were seriously wounded.

 
 
 
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01:09 AM on 01/31/2011
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Wonderwheel
09:04 PM on 01/27/2011
Register guns like cars are registered, License gun owners only after they take a shooting and gun safety test (like car drivers take a driving test) and issue a photo ID card for gun owners. Call such registration and licensing "joining the state militia" for the purpose of keeping the militia "well regulated" to keep it within the Second Amendment.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
06:12 PM on 02/24/2011
Enact "Constitutional Carry", AKA "Vermont Carry" nationwide, or, as a compromise, enact nationwide "shall issue" concealed carry, "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" laws.
09:34 AM on 01/25/2011
The changes are obvious. Make the reporting of an unstable individual more available to the public and to all organizations. That's right- ALL. Make it a federal requirement of doing business that a possibly unstable individual be reported to the register. If you fail to report an individual as possibly dangerous or unstable and therefore making that person ineligible to purchase a fire arm- then you will be held liable for neglecting your responsibility to the general public. The school should have reported this guy as unstable, sure, but more importantly, there should have been a legal requirement to report him, and a system in place to receive that report- preventing him from buying a gun. Would have he gotten a gin anyway, none of us can know. But at least he wouldn't have been able to buy one legally. A felon cannot vote for a period of time after serving time- so how can someone who shows such instability go and buy a gun? It should be that a person's employer or a school or even a private citizen can call the police and report a possibly unstable person, with the intent and result that they are put on the "no-buy" list- indefinitely or for a period of time standardized by the state- and like taking anger management classes for certain offenses, the individual should have to go before a judge and have the restriction lifted, if they can, with the requirement of at least a psych eval.
02:50 AM on 01/25/2011
Changes that should follow...good question, but why has to be changes done just when a public person has been harmed? why can't be this changes everytime any person is shoted or injured? why can't be this changes from inside the family?, every one knows that a family build a country, we are what we are from the bottom of our families, from our believes, so if we want changes first we have to look to ourselves, to our homes, what are we doing with our kids? with ourselves? what are we doing to build this country better? any country! any place in the world, come on, we need to wake up, this is not just a "presidential matter" we can't just blame the governmet, this is a democracy so is all of us matter, we have to take care of each other, look at our backs, like in the old days being a good citizen taking care of the neighborhood, living freely taking care of each other, trusting, were "father" was the head of the family, "mother" was the moral, "sons and daughters" were that just kids learning to be better persons in life, learning from "daddy and momy". We accept changes but changes to be better persons, not to be prisoners in our own home, not to be worst than animals in the zoo. we need GOOD changes!
07:44 PM on 01/23/2011
The appropriate changes? The changes should be in the government. The man who attempted to killed her (& others, succeeding at some) wasn't in his right mind yet he was still allowed to purchase a gun; still was posting nonsense on youtube; and he also developed pics of himself @ a WALMART wearing a thong with His weapon tucked in (no puns). We are suppose to stand up for this great country, and its people--- but the leadership, as well as the generations, are going down the whole. Nowadays we look to is entertainment, either to misdirect us or tell us what to think (not our self-reflection and reason).
We wait for a savior, e.g., Obama, Palin, Christ, etc.
We need to become active, but those who are young, just like myself, do have a hard time with getting out there because of the fear of assassination by those who are profiting out of our misery.

We need "good" leaders who have no egos and use their reason; but as for now, we are used to the bad. We are drawn to the blind because the blind are blinded by their own light -- suggestions like "follow the pack" instead of being independent and breaking down your own school of thought.
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Rixar13
U.S. Coast Guard Veteran and University
02:52 PM on 01/21/2011
" Our government lied to us in order to cover-up their motivations. We went broke."

War of choice no doubt about it and unless we get out we will become a 3rd world country... sigh
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BabyParentingCoach
Certified Hypnotherapist
10:32 AM on 01/21/2011
It's a time to reflect on how we contribute to the numbing and dumbing down that is so pervasive in our world today. We might spend 5 minutes a day, as a result of this horrific violence, examining the ways in which we let mindless sensationalism and violence be part of our landscape, in our homes, schools, parks, entertainment, recreation, etc., and there could be an opportunity and awareness to make other choices.
03:14 PM on 01/19/2011
This is a loaded question because this is such a loaded issue. There is obviously a security issue here where possibly in the near future, public officials, senators, congressmen and women, local government will need security when they appear in public. The issue of gun control was quickly raised by those who are in favor of gun regulations, as well as questions about mental health and the mental state of the shooter. I think a quick solution or answer to this question is so difficult to come by. All of the examples of the tragic events throughout history that you gave are examples of human dysfunction which is difficult to prepare for. The tedious process of boarding an airplane is an example of the lengths we go through to "feel safe" or project a sense of order but honestly, we never know what the person next to us is going to do. No matter how much our lives are invaded and made difficult in the name of public safety, these events still happen. Maybe the idea of personal safety needs explored.
07:19 PM on 01/28/2011
to openiens

It's not as complex as you say.........have you seen "Bowling for Columbine" ? Would you see "Bowling for Columbine" ? compare our violence stats with Europe and Canada's...then talk about "never know what the person next to us is going to do".... and "these events still happen"...
There are degrees of danger...and the stats prove...America is a whole lot more dangerous...and yes, there's more than one reason for that....macho mindless who listen to rabble rouser idiots like Glen Beck and the hate club teapartiers..
the hate speech on the right (almost entirely) has fueled the crazies with guns and America's got more of them than just about anywhere... compare the backward southern states (not all) with crazy gun-totin' nut states in the mid west... it's like two countries one sort of in the 21st century and one firmly in the 19th and wantin it to stay that way... very scary the U.S. is schizoid
06:54 PM on 01/18/2011
""What do you think are the appropriate changes that should follow the shooting of a US Congresswoman while she purposefully held a meeting in a public place in her district? Knowing that several other innocent people died, including a small child, and others were seriously wounded.""

If purposefully is meant in a good way??? Like you said Americans/humans(all of them) have overcome obstacle after obstacle and seem to adjust to chamge in a grudgingly but taseful manner! I do not feel any type of change will stop a someone who is on a mission to destroy lives and hurt people! They will always find a way to complete the mission! Sad but true!!!!!

On the other hand if purposefully means she knew the risk and took it anyway disregarding any warning signs?? Then I would have to applaud her for not hiding in the balance like a coward.I am sure she will never forget that day ever!
11:02 AM on 01/18/2011
Here's an interesting factoid people have begun to forget: during WW2, Conscientious Objectors, largely Quakers, had to serve domestically anyway. They were assigned to volunteer at mental institutions nation wide. They were aghast at what they witnessed there, and single handedly uplifted the treatments and visibility of the Major Mental Health issue. Maybe we need more people to register as Conscientious Objectors (although they may need some Quaker "creds" to qualify) and serve.
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lisaman
I am a liberal American so get over it
09:59 AM on 01/18/2011
If asked what changes should be made, my answer is different from what changes will be made, unfortunately. I would love to see the Brady Bill revived, a bill I personally think should never have been allowed to die. But I don't expect it to happen. It would also be nice if an evaluation of some kind to determine a person's competancy when purchasing a firearm was required.

Mostly I wish for civility and a toning down of the rhetoric but alas, I don't expect that to happen either.

Thanks for another well written and I am sure, well thought out posting!
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HisXLNC
No.
04:31 PM on 01/19/2011
The Brady Bill did not die.
09:24 AM on 01/18/2011
The college sent the letter telling him that he couldn't come back without first seeing a clean bill of health from a psychologist. It was delivered by the police who said it took an hour to get Loughner to understand the letter.

At this point he could have been taken by the police to a hospital for examination. That would likely have resulted in involuntary commitment. But allowing police to arrest and hospitalize people who have commited no crime would be a bitter pill for our society to take.
11:08 AM on 01/18/2011
it was clear from the news reports within the first 48 hours that the local LEOS and Pima community college dropped the ball on his mental health issues
12:55 PM on 01/18/2011
Probably LEOs like Odie. They played it "safe" and concluded that Loughner was having a temporary snit or had a passing case of the vapors or something and thus protected his 2A rights by not sending him down the path of adjudication which, as we know, is imperfect and not to be trusted because Wayne LaPierre told us so.
09:32 AM on 01/19/2011
It is an issue that the cops could or should have the ability to hospitalize people who have committed no crime. But, just like there are other specialized people within the police department, couldn't there be officers specially trained to deal with the mentally ill and who could would be better equipped to make that decision. Don't forget that even if someone is hospitalized, the doctors still must also agree that the person needs to stay and they have a hearing for this at the hospital.
Requiring that anyone who purchases a gun has to have a mental health statement from a physician or therapist is, I believe, a minimal invasion of privacy, and could help prevent this kind of thing. Gun fanatics will of course, strongly object and resent this but this is where the public's right to safety should outweigh anyone's right to get a guy easily (TOO easily). However, the gun lobby, like the pharmaceutical lobby, like the tax breaks for the wealthy people all have much more power than WE THE PEOPLE do.
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alafonse
It's definitely a crap-shoot.
08:09 AM on 01/18/2011
Our entire society leans more toward violence than ever before. Take sports: wrestling and football...definitely violent.
Next video games: the most popular ones involve violence.
Then TV and movies: more violence on a regular basis.
The heroes don't wear white hats anymore—instead they carry assault weaponry. Blood, and lots of it.
For an adult, this may not have any deleterious effects, but for children who are in the formative years, I believe that this may have a serious effect on their thinking. Especially if they are allowed unbridled access to violence on a rather constant basis. Children learn what they see more than they learn what you tell them. When you see things on a regular basis, your mind can become numbed to it. After a while, it can become the new normal. The average child spends 45 hours a week in front of the TV or computer monitor—they can spend as much time viewing violence as their parent spends working. Think about it.
11:14 PM on 01/18/2011
All true, but orthogonal to the discussion at hand. Loughner wasn't warped by TV, he was warped due to a very unhealthy emotional environment. No real friends, generally unemployable, no affectionate relationships... he was being ejected from society.

His parents failed, bigtime. His college failed, bigtime. Local law enforcement failed, bigtime. But the person responsible for all of this is ultimately Loughner. He certainly knew right from wrong.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
03:37 AM on 01/18/2011
Unfortunately nothing will change IMO.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
07:23 PM on 01/17/2011
Regretably, nothing can be done about stopping a mentally ill person from owning a gun who has no crimnal history. The Arozona killer was according to everything we know so far was "clean"..

All the laws in the world would not have prevented the shooter form getting a gun..he was under the radar apparently across the board. He would been able to buy in any state pretty much.
07:32 PM on 01/17/2011
A law that required Loughner to undergo psychological assessment as part of the background check would have prevented him from acquiring the gun that he used to enact his rampage. "Would haves" and "could haves" won't change that.
08:49 PM on 01/17/2011
Psychological testing in order to buy a firearm would never be held Constitutional even if the 2nd amendment were held at an intermediate level of scrutiny. Bans are gone too. Psychological testing is on par to literacy testing for the ability to vote, or fees to buy ink (1st).

In McDonald, the 2nd was held to be a 'fundamental' right. Fundamental is repeated throughout the decisions. Its a specific legal term. Enumerated 'fundamental' rights are exceedingly difficult to regulate or place restrictions on.
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lisaman
I am a liberal American so get over it
09:52 AM on 01/18/2011
Exactly. The school he was kicked out of said he could return if he could pass a mental evaluation but they don't require the same for the purchase of a gun??
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marco01
09:10 PM on 01/17/2011
But you forget laws banning high capacity magazines, this would have had a impact on this event.
12:05 AM on 01/18/2011
nope
11:15 AM on 01/19/2011
marco--in terms of how fast handguns can be reloaded--you might want to check out some IPSC or IDPA matches--the top competitors are amazing