Who Can Beat McCain?

Posted April 6, 2008 | 01:54 PM (EST)



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Lotta folks on this site hating Hillary because she's a woman. Lotta folks on this site loving Hillary because she's a woman. Makes me think that, in some quarters, men have been uncomfortable with women a lot longer than whites have been uncomfortable with blacks.

Sometimes I honestly believe that a racist white guy would vote for Obama over anyone like his wife or mother. A woman as Commander-and-Chief? Uh-uh, they say.

How sad.

Lotta folks worried about Obama's level of experience. Whatever you do, don't buy into that Republican bullshit. Obama is FDR compared to this Bush. The GOP committed every possible sin in order to get Bush elected. They forged a whole set of new ones to get him reelected. Everyone around the world recognizes that America is in real trouble. Most Americans do, too.

The past eight years have been the moral low point of the American experience.

I have said in these pages before that either candidate has the potential to make a very good president. Clinton is smart and shrewd in ways that will serve her well in office. I think she would play a Democratic Congress like a violin. Obama will have the great fortune of being able to attract his own version of the "Best and the Brightest", an army of brilliant and capable reform-minded people who would normally abjure political careers as the result of their inherent cynicism.

Who can beat McCain? That is all that matters.

McCain is another right-wing, retro, deficit-loving, never-seen-a-defense-appropriation-I-didn't-like tool. But there are a lot of people in this dumbed-down country that will buy that. They want to turn the clock back. To what, I don't know. Which Democrat will give a critical number of Americans the courage to move forward? This election represents a turning point for this country, not only internally, but regarding our future among the other nations of the world. America will begin to, albeit slowly, irreversibly go down if we do not get this right.

It is wrong to assume that either of these Democrats is less qualified than the other. But Democrats must think like Republicans, now more than ever. Who can win?

You think major GOP fundraisers sat back and clucked over the nomination of Bush in 2000? You must be joking. They held their noses and went along for the ride because Republicans like James Baker and that maniac Richard Mellon Scaife have their hands on the money valve and they anointed Bush. The GOP plays to win. They don't have good candidates all that often, but they don't let that stop them. Everyone digs in and puts their shoulder behind even the lamest nominee.

If you want to advocate for Clinton or Obama, do so in the context of how they will defeat McBush.

PS: One possible consequence of an Obama presidency? Supreme Court Justice Hillary Clinton. Dang, that sounds good.

 

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I have always treated blacks over the age of 50 with great respect. It's funny though...I quote my own thoughts without regard for time, I am to be 50 myself this year.

Amazing is it not, how time does and does not pass?

I based this thought of mine on the fact that any black man or woman born long enough before 1960 has taken enough crap and bourne enough ills and some respect is due.

It only occured to me recently that it was most often the white men born also in their time that gave them that crap, those ills, and that lack of respect as human beings. Tell me, what respect does that merit them?


I will not vote on the basis of black or white, male or female.

I'm almost certain I will not vote for Hillary. I voted for Ross Perot both of Bill Clinton's terms. I was not impressed by him. I am not impressed by her. They are both of the status quo.

A maccain vs. clinton election is a win/win for the repugnicans.

Obama can beat Maccain if the cheating can be overcome.

Shall we overcome?

It is my hope that we can.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 04/13/2008

Obama will win the Dem nomination and will win one state: Massachusetts. Great.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 04/13/2008

Mr. Baldwin, I seriously hope you ain't shilling for Hillary because if there is one thing we know: Hillary would never beat McShame, even in a year when a Democrat can't lose. Try to wrap you head around that one. And, by the way, this has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 04/13/2008

No one will beat McCain - it is all over but the shouting

We will all have to get used to permanent GOP rule just like people of history had to try to survive under bad kings and rulers and not always successfully.

In the long run democracy didn't work out as the power brokers learned how to tweak it to their own advantage and the masses willingly went along for the ride.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/13/2008

Mcgrandpa will go down in the general.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/13/2008

Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court, now THAT is what I call a brilliant idea. Sincerely.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/13/2008

Work it the other way too, Clinton could put Obama on the bench to sideline him as well, and unlike Clinton, Obama has legit cred for teaching Constitutional Law for years at a university.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 04/13/2008

i personally don't see a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the most powerful nation in the world as being "sidelined"! in fact, the supreme court seems to have more effect with their rulings on the way we live from day to day than almost any other office i can think of, more lasting than a president's term, even. s/he can always be replaced and his/her policies reversed.

but to be honest, you are right, obama is more qualified at this point. for both offices, in fact.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 04/13/2008

The Republicans would be able to slam Sen. Obama in more ways if he's the nominee than they could if Sen. Clinton is the nominee.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/13/2008

Bill's impeachment is only one small example of why this is not true.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/13/2008

Ironic that today, when we see an article about Clinton loosing the support of women, Alec's post reappears. As it says in the article:

"These are Democratic women who waited all their lives for a woman president, but Hillary is not turning them on," said polling analyst Clay Richards.

Lotta Hillary supporters love to talk about hatred of women and it's effect on this campaign. If you want to reduce the number of men "uncomfortable with women", you should vote against Hillary. Hillary is an authoritarian boss. That is well known. She barks orders. She is known for treating people like servants.

No one likes that, men or women.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/13/2008


Damn.....knowing what we know now as American's who want the GOP OUT OF OFFICE, and who the Democrats have running up against one another, wouldn't you rethink the selections and give anything for a Joe Biden or Chris Dodd to be running instead. Men of experience and clearer thinking. I truly believe that either would have been much more able to handle themselves then these two feuding and a fussin' Dems are. I am very afraid that McCann will WALTZ in against either one. The GOP sticks together, in lock step, and it has worked for them over and over again. I cannot see a good outcome in this upcoming presidential election....well only that Bush and Dick will be gone.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/13/2008

No, I don't, middlevillage. Joe Biden is Mr. Credit Card, and, while I like and respect, Chris Dodd, he is not presidential in the sense of inspiring a nation. He might make an excellent Sec of State or Sec of Interior, but he is not someone who will energize the voters to vote for him, as a certain other person can.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 04/13/2008

The 'Mr Credit Card' label is a national myth...one of many about Joe Biden. It never ceases to amaze how so many people who think they know so much about Senator Biden can actually know so very little!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 04/13/2008

Pennsylvania Democrats have the ability, Alec, to END the deceitful, dishonest and divisive 'establishment' politics damaging their party's chances. They could reject once and for all the 'machine' politics of the past that Pennsylvania's Governor keeps shoving down their throats, and unite their party instead for a stomping of the republicants and LIEbercrats that would inflict another 100 years war on the innocent people of Iraq.

No candidate means more to that 81% of OUR country that believes we're on the WRONG TRACK, on the ability to unite diverse forces in OUR country AGAINST continued neoCON policies, and to help OUR country achieve something better than letting the LOBBYISTS elect OUR leaders and write OUR laws - than the candidate embraced by the people and NOT the corporations, Barack Obama.

I continue to hope ALL 3 of these upcoming states see this OPPORTUNITY and DO NOT vote for continuations of the LIES that got us here, but instead vote like OUR country and SAVING LIVES really matters.

The corporate establishment Clintons, or JohnnyMac, would likely try to change ...very little.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 04/13/2008

Thank you Mr. Baldwin for a sensible and timely piece.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/13/2008

Alec,
Boy, your brave to come on HuffPo and compliment Hillary. On these pages she's Billary, wh*re, b*tch, Satan, Bush lite, you name the slam, the put-down, the name calling, it's been said here. Just look at what is on these pages today and you can see that they give no quarter on Hillary. Watch the talk shows, they give no quarter on Hillary.

The venom that the Obama supporters have displayed toward Clinton will surely come back to bite them if he wins the Democratic nomination.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/13/2008

Good. Glad to see you guys getting the big picture. Get that myopia checked out.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/13/2008

Yes, I agree.

For the first time in 30 years I will vote republican or will not vote at all if our nominee is Obama.

Signed....

50 year old white woman.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 04/13/2008

You mean 50 year old RACIST white woman.

Who are you trying to fool? You don't care about the democratic party. To all of you who exhibit this type of twisted logic: you'll be voting not for a candidate for president, but for appointments to the Supreme Court.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/13/2008

I will now do everything in my power to destroy your savior Obama. You cultist have done it. You are mean and nasty people.

You have no right to harrass others.
Watch. We white folks WILL NOT be called racist for not trusting a man who happens to be black. He is not to be trusted and niether are you.

Watch.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/13/2008

Thank you for coming to my defense. No one else has.
What is this country coming too?
My god, what has happened to free speech?
I will continue my support but elsewhere. These people want to have a monopoly on the conversation and act the opposite of what BO claims to represent.
I have never voted for a republican but will this year if Obama is the nominee. Everyone I know feels the same.

These people must be stopped. It is freightening.
Better we lose another Surpreme court seat than have these hate mongers take over.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/13/2008

You'd look a lot less 'r'-word if you presented logical reasons for not trusting Senator Obama, for instance his telling repeated lies 'about dodging sniper fire' or, 'his saying he didn't support NAFTA when there's proof he instead did', rather than YOUR WORDS of saying "...not trusting a man who happens to be black". But even when the reasons given are because of the words NOT his but of someone he knows religiously, or because multi-millionaire opponents label him elitist for something the media's been saying for years (that poor people OFTEN vote against their own self-interest), it appears as a panic of grasping at any insincere straw to try rationalizing your mistrust. It also 'appears' that it's perhaps even to hide prejudices.

MOST commenters here do NOT use the labels quoted by xrayman, and certainly 'savior' and 'cultist' can be considered just as much of a venomous slam. The FACT that you and Taratrue play the cards of race in YOUR comments, she white and you black, and that neither give OTHER reasons, particularly you for YOUR venomous name calling and 'lack of trust', just seems VERY telling about motives.

For those NOT wishing to be labeled for apparent prejudices, perhaps YOU should choose YOUR words more carefully, rather than merely pointing fingers at others.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/13/2008

Well, Kucinich is out, Edwards is out, so I'm votin' for Hillary in the primary, 'cause I think her position on health care and other issues is closer to mine than Obama's is.

Come November, I'm votin' Democratic, no matter who gets the nomination.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/13/2008

Refreshing, intelligent, everything a true Democrat would say. I support Obama 100%, and if he does not get this nomination the first check I write will be to Hillary's campaign. Her bumper sticker will go right over his on my car. Anyone who would do otherwise is not a Democrat. I have no idea why Taratrue and Demsneed2win are on this site pretending to be Democrats. How many of us are on Redstate pretending to be Repugs? Are Repugs so in-tune with their impending defeat that they have to pull the ultimate punk move and pose on liberal web sites, and cross over in Democratic nominating contests? There is no such thing as an anti-choice Hillary supporter. And if you don't care about the fact that Roe v. Wade is ONE VOTE away from being overturned, you are not pro-choice. Ergo, Taratrue and Demsneed2win are not Hillary supporters and are lying here. Go ahead, call up Hillary's campaign and ask them whether she has a take it or leave it attitude about reproductive rights. Be ready for an earful, because you will get your ass chewed raw.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 04/13/2008

You are so correct! Republicans are very good in what they do. They are willing to sacrifice their own gain for the good of the party. Mitt dropped out, so McCain can move on. Hucklebee is there but not damaging McCain at all. Look at the democrat, Obama is not doing the tearing, Hillary certainly is!!! Every little chance. She is making sure the party looses in the Fall!!! Even if she is the nominee, she has not realize that yet.
I think if this thing really go to the convention as promised by Bosnia Chick, Obama should concede and let her be the nominee. By then everything would have been torn apart. She will loose and therefore, lost her chance of running in 2012.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 04/13/2008

PAKEAN3 you wouldn;t sit and listen to an angry little rabbi from nazareth either!
cause he would also tell you the truth!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/13/2008

HILLARY ON TOP ? MAUREEN SHARKEY , THEY WILL TAKE OVER? THE BLACK ISSUE?
WHAT THE @!$%&@! ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/13/2008

Someone says we are smearing Rev. Wright? Smearing? I saw the videos. Yes, Rev. Wright says alot of things. But he also says what these little sound bites show. I would not sit in a church if my pastor felt this way, especially if I was someone who wanted to get into politics due to the love I have for my country. You know very well if this was Clinton's pastor you would be all over it.. McCain is going to kill Obama with Wright in the red states.

BTW I am not a church going person. But it is obvious that most of the states in the USA are. How is Obama ever going to get over what Wright said? The people that watch these 30 second sound bites are your average voters. You've got the wife's comments. His hand not being on his chest.. To people like us, this might not be big issues. But it will be once he is running against McCain. I still cannot forget Kerry being swiftboated and he served in Vietnam while Bush sat home getting high on cocaine. Don't underestimate the impact of Rev. Wright on the red states..

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 04/13/2008

That is not true. If you look at Martin Lurther King's remarks in his speeches , he goes way beyond what Rev. Wright says. The truth is that there is a lot of hate and racism against african american people. I live in Texas and during the primary I saw middle school children come out of their schools and pass by our CHURCH where we were polling and call Obama the N word. (I am a white 50 yr. old woman by the way)

Where does that type of hate come from? It comes from his parents. They are facist pigs in Texas , especially in the hate filled republican area that I live in. I can't wait to leave this state and it's politics behind me.

A lot of Rev. Wright said like it or not is TRUE, just like Martin Luther King said. I am BITTER about the way this is playing out. I think Obama will win, but I am definitely BITTER and it is not at Obama , it is at Clinton and insider Washington. The part she is very much a part of.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/13/2008

"McCain is going to kill Obama with Wright in the red states." - so what?

Red States will vote for McCain - regardless of anything that happens or does not happen.

If you are white - have you ever heard a friend or co-worker use any word that was racist or biased?

Of course you have - we all have regardless of race - did you walk away from your friend and never return their calls and did you immediately report your co-worker and quit the company in disgust if they did not immediately fire the person making the racistreligious, etc... comment?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/13/2008

It's amazing how some few Clinton supporters and backward-ass republicants wear their racism on their sleeve when trying to imply the words of Rev. Wright are the somehow words of Senator Obama. The Senator has never himself said any such things, and the churches and religious leaders JohnnyMac panders to have themselves said far worse things about 'their' god punishing OUR country with 9/11 and Katrina, because OUR country tolerates gay people. Desperately keeping the 'Rev. Wright' issue alive, thinking it somehow elevates a lying lobbyists-bought candidate, only displays closed-mindedness. Panicked enough to ignore there's a 'different America' for people of color, shows that deceitful, multi-millionaire, TRULY 'elitist' candidates must desperately grasp ANY straw to keep those minds closed.

It already backfired on 'the Clintons' to play on people's racial fears, so it will backfire on dementia-JohnnyMac should his campaign make race or Rev. Wright 'an issue'. Record numbers of young and white voters already turned out in red states for Senator Obama, NOT 'the Clintons', and will continue to do so BECAUSE idiot campaigners think race is THE issue, and NOT the lobbyists legal-bribery corruption of OUR Government that brought us a geopolitical war for OTHERS' natural resources, AND free trade agreements disastrous for OUR country.

Strap those blinkers on a little tighter and have another glass of kool-aid, the status quo 'establishment' loves voters LIKE YOU. Who needs peripheral vision anyway, heh?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/13/2008

It's not racism...it's anti-Americanism.

And it's not anti-Americanism, either. It's poor judgement.

Obama allowed his children to attend this church week after week. Since we don't know much about Obama based on accomplishment and since he doesn't talk about specific policy issues, we have to find a way to determine whether the man can capably lead the nation.

In the Wright case, most insiders know he went to the church for political gain. But most Americans don't watch that closely and many will not be able to get past the fact that he suscepted his children to this church for a long time. His speech about race, although nice, did not answer questions about his judgement.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 04/13/2008

Here's the deal. If every Democrat here who writes, reads or comments on entries will send the Democratic nominee only $20, that's a great start.
We need to out-advertise the GOP, out billboard and poster them, out bumper sticker them and basically smother Walnuts McCain's message at every turn.
McCain is a rageoholic. Exploit that.
McCain called his wife a cunt. Exploit that.
McCain wants a hundred-year war. Exploit that.
Mc Cain hides his unattractive adopted daughter from view. Exploit that.
McCain is 72. Exploit that.
Democrats like Kerry and Gore were far too polite when they ran.
The GOP will do ANYTHING to win.
So must we.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 04/13/2008

There is a whole website dedicated to exposing the fact the John McCain is hardly a war hero. There is a lot of information on the site which seems well documented. Go to "Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 04/13/2008

If you believe that, then send money to moveon.org. They will have no qualms about taking the gloves off. They will also do whatever it takes...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 04/13/2008