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UK UFO Files Show High Level Officials Were Concerned

Posted: 08/28/11 11:27 PM ET

Britain's Ministry of Defence ceased to collect UFO reports as of December 2009, because, as they put it, "...in over fifty years, no UFO report has revealed any evidence of a potential threat to the United Kingdom." However, the UFO files being released by the British National Archives contain cases that clearly should be of concern, and I am not alone in this opinion. In fact, the last batch of files includes correspondence between the Ministry of Defence (MOD) and two high level military officials who were adamant that UFO cases should be taken more seriously.

The highest ranking among those hounding the MOD about UFOs was Baron Hill-Norton, former Admiral of the Fleet (1970-71), Chief of the Defence Staff (1971-73), and head of NATO's military committee (1974-77). Two years after his retirement in 1977, Peter Hill-Norton was made Baron and a member of the House of Lords. As you can see, Lord Hill-Norton was quite an impressive chap and known as a tough and aggressive leader. In other words, he didn't take no crap.

At some point Lord Hill-Norton took an interest in UFOs, and was unsatisfied with the MOD claiming that they were of no concern. He badgered the MOD with questions, trying to get them to actively investigate important cases. There are over 300 pages of correspondence between Lord Hill-Norton and the MOD in the latest batch of UK UFO files.

Lord Hill-Norton took a particular interest in the Rendlesham forest case. In late December of 1980, several US servicemen witnessed UFO activity over a two day period near the bases of RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge, both on lease by the US from the UK. The Rendlesham forest surrounds the bases. One of the witnesses included Deputy Base Commander, Charles Halt, who was ordered to forwarded a memo on the incident to the MOD.

In a response dated October 22, 1997 to Minister of State for Defence, Lord Gilbert, who claimed the Rendlesham sightings were not of interest, Lord Hill-Norton wrote:

My position both privately and publicly expressed over the last dozen years or more, is that there are only two possibilities, either:

a. An intrusion into our Air Space and a landing by unidentified craft took place at Rendlesham, as described.

or

b. The Deputy Commander of an operational, nuclear armed, US Air Force Base in England, and a large number of his enlisted men, were either hallucinating or lying.

Either of these simply must be 'of interest to the Ministry of Defence', which has been repeatedly denied, in precisely those terms. They, or words very like them, are used again in your letter and I believe, in the light of the above, you would not feel inclined to sign your name to them again.

Further, Lord Hill-Norton pushed Lord Gilbert on the sensitive question of whether there were nuclear arms on the base, which would have been against their agreement with US. Lord Hill-Norton asked Lord Gilbert, "Whether they are aware of reports from the United States Air Force personnel that nuclear weapons stored in the Weapons Storage Area at RAF Woodbridge were struck by light beams fired from an unidentified craft seen over the base in the period 25-30 December 1980, and if so, what action was subsequently taken."

Lord Gilbert responded, "There is no evidence to suggest that the Ministry of Defence received any such reports." He continued that he intended "neither to confirm nor to deny where nuclear weapons are located either in the UK or elsewhere, in the past or at the present time."

In 2001, Lord Hill-Norton asked that the MOD reopen its investigation into the Rendlesham forest incident. He was told, "No additional information has come to light over the last 20 years to call into question the original judgment by the Ministry of Defence that nothing of defence significance occurred in the location of Rendlesham Forest in 1980. Accordingly there is no reason to hold an investigation now."

Clearly upset with this response, Lord hill-Norton replied, "I have now had time to have a proper look at your letter dated 22nd March, and I find it not so much disappointing as absurd. This for various reasons but mainly because you seem unable to grasp what we are arguing about." Lord Hill-Norton continued, "There is a great deal more, now in the public domain which makes it beyond any possible doubt that the incident most certainly was of considerable Defence interest, and it is absurd of you to pretend otherwise."

Ralph Noyes, who retired as the Undersecretary of State in 1977, was another British government official whose letters petitioning that the UFO matter be taken serious can also be found in the UK UFO files. In 1969 he was head of Defense Secretariat 8 (DS8), and one of his responsibilities was to answer public questions about UFOs. He says he was not able to share his true opinions on the subject. In the files he states, "It is only since I left the MOD (in 1977) that I have seriously tried to consider what may possibly lie behind the 'UFO phenomenon'. It was impossible to discuss it seriously within the Department: I would merely have 'rubbished' my working relationship with the RAF and scientific colleagues if I had disclosed the interest I felt in the better reports which reached us. What I retain from my MOD experience -- greatly reinforced by much that I have since read -- is that the 'phenomenon' is veridical and important"

There is one more British official of note in the files, who also disagrees with the stance that UFOs pose no concern. Nick Pope ran the MOD's UFO desk from 1991 to 1994. In a recent article by Lee Speigel of the Huffington Post, Pope actually apologized for having to play down the importance of UFO sightings when responding to public inquiries on the matter while manning the MOD UFO hot seat.

In a recent Open Minds article on Ralph Noyes, Antonio Huneeus, suggested that some of the responses Noyes received from the MOD might have actually been authored by Pope. I emailed Pope to inquire about Huneuus' suspicions, which Pope confirmed. He went on to write:

I had tremendous respect for Ralph Noyes, who I met on several occasions. He briefed me about his earlier UFO-related work at the Air Ministry and the Ministry of Defense. In many ways, we grappled with the same problem, albeit several years apart: we had official responsibility for a phenomenon that defied conventional explanation, but we faced a situation where we had to follow the official line that UFOs were of no defense significance. But this was Orwellian doublethink. How could it not be of defense interest, when our own radar systems were picking up these things, when jets were being scrambled and when both pilots and radar operators confirmed that these objects -- whatever they were -- were capable of speeds and maneuvers that defied conventional explanation? So we had a bizarre situation where we were telling the public that we weren't interested, but behind the scenes, our scientific and technical intelligence specialists were desperate for data, hoping that solving the UFO mystery might enable us to make a quantum leap breakthrough in propulsion system technology, aerodynamics or a related field.

Pope continued to explain, "The ultimate irony was that it wasn't just the public who were out of the loop. There were factions at the MoD on this issue. I was involved in work that led to the setting up of a highly classified study into the UFO phenomenon, codenamed Project Condign. But my successors didn't enjoy the close relationship with the Defense Intelligence Staff that I'd had, and weren't briefed on the study. When the final report was issued in 2000, it wasn't copied to Directorate Air Staff, despite their being the division with the policy lead for UFOs! When the report was declassified and made public under the Freedom of Information Act, there was a farcical situation: it emerged that the people who had been sending out letters to the public saying that MoD didn't investigate UFOs hadn't been aware that, behind their backs, intelligence staffs had been doing the very thing that the civil servants had been telling parliament, the media and the public that we didn't do."

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White Raven
Eyeballs are tasty
01:58 AM on 09/12/2011
Just wanted to chime in and say you have another reader, Alejandro.
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05:25 AM on 09/09/2011
Wonderful article and congratulations on your being added as a blogger to Huff Post! :-)
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
07:38 PM on 09/08/2011
Remote radio induced atmospheric plasma.
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Nic the wonder puppy
When life throws lemons, throw them back
01:40 PM on 09/07/2011
Do not worry we mean you no harm
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mgjj
OMG GOP WTF!
03:27 AM on 09/06/2011
Maybe they will come and take all the GOP candidates and fly them to Mars. That would be a good way of knowing that they are friendly and care for our planet earth.
12:34 PM on 09/05/2011
Advanced civilizations and UFO's are logically real due to the quantity of qualified sighting by high credibility people. However, they are likely just monitoring us, like we do wild animals as they probably concluded a long time ago that no truly intelligent life exists on our planet and are merely making sure that the wild predators don't get out of hand. Hopefully, before we become too dangerous, they will cull the species similar to how we work with honey bees, which is to remove the queen bees that control the proliferation.
It is a pretty safe assumption that advanced civilization pose no harm to the general masses as they are far more advanced than we savages are. No different than we would treat a predator species with elimination being the last resort and specific to a single predator that continually causes harm.
Treating these visitors as hostile because we don't understand them only serves to prove our own lack of sophistication. One day we might grow a functional brain. Some hope for the science community but, unfortunately, probably to far a stretch when it comes to politicians.
If they did ask to meet our leaders, I would personally be extremely embarrassed, potentially introducing them to a dolphin instead.
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cowanln
There are worse things than
04:04 PM on 09/01/2011
I'm not of the notion that the British Government doesn't know whats going on here. If we've been visited I believe the powers that truly control US/UK know whether or not its happened. The thing I don't know is whether or not they know who they've been contacted by. A being not of this world could be from anywhere and could be anything. Just because they say their from a star system doesn't mean its true. How would you know to trust something that is not human? Just musing.
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12:37 AM on 09/02/2011
That's a trip. If beings actually openly contacted us there would be a debate of to trust them or not trust them and where are they for sure from? It wouldn't be all flowers and candy from everybody.
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cowanln
There are worse things than
11:26 AM on 09/07/2011
I just read the other Huff post Article about cattle mutilations and the Dulce base. I always thought Dulce was nonsense but now I have to look a little deeper at the case.
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Indrid Cold, Timewalker
08:48 AM on 09/01/2011
Governments and media have been successful in their efforts to make the subject of UFO a laugh factor, but it has become increasingly nervous laughter. UFO (unidentified flying objects) are simply highly advanced vehicles which equally advanced intities use for getting around. They are not just darting lights in the skies or with little green men from Mars. They are not hallucinations or product of overactive imaginations or fodder for sighting publicity. ETs are VERY REAL and have played an important role in human history; especially religious dogma. Most are not little or are they from Mars. Their purpose is alien to human understanding and beyond the concepts of popular science fiction. In the approaching year, their true role WILL become apparent and those laughs will fade to awe
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12:40 AM on 09/02/2011
That would be nice. I would love to find out we are not alone. I am sure there are many many different intelligent species out their in our ever expanding Universe. Are they here? I hope if they are more friendly than humanity.
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Stay on the fence, the view is better
06:45 PM on 09/03/2011
"Their purpose is alien to human understand­ing and beyond the concepts of popular science fiction. In the approachin­g year, their true role WILL become apparent and those laughs will fade to awe"

I must ask, upon what authority do you postulate this claim?
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Vanderbil Covington
Indrid Cold, Timewalker
08:10 AM on 09/01/2011
The very systems in place to detect and deter aerial intrusion which are depended upon for national security are implied to be useless because the MoD will not admit UFO exist. Radars and fighter deployment had to have credible evidence the installation was under possible intrusion. To imply anything less would suggest the systems were not functioning as intended. The article does not include the fact defense systems were activated for launch, then shut down,-- all from external control by UFO. If this is not reason for investigation, nothing is. It's all about official denial by governments that will not admit there are superior technologies they have no control over
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
05:47 PM on 09/01/2011
So right you are. Govts everywhere are powerless against UFOs & are afraid to admit it. Nuclear sites in Russia, England & the USA have been shut down by UFOs. If you're a president or a prime minister, how do you prepare against such a threat? You can't, hence the denials & feigned disinterest.

Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/28/national/main6907702.shtml
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12:34 AM on 09/02/2011
This is exactly what rational conclusion
I have come to as well. And the disabling Nuke thing... Well only two reasons for that 50-50 chance of one. They are kind hearted and want to keep us from destroying ourselves or the planet or they are making sure we have less ability to fight back. I hope they are happy nice beings. Otherwise we would be toast. Think about our modern Army against us back when we have just figured out how to make a axe blade from rocks. Wouldn't be pretty.
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06:12 AM on 08/30/2011
Lord Hill-Norton continued, "There is a great deal more, now in the public domain which makes it beyond any possible doubt that the incident most certainly was of considerable Defense interest, and it is absurd of you to pretend otherwise."
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This would be a good quote for anyone who still clings to the notion that Earth humans are the most powerful and intelligent dogs on the block...
07:04 AM on 08/29/2011
Yeah, the little green guys are flitting by, keepin' and eye on us.

Laughing.

I understand those little green guys are betting among themselves whether we humans will make it, or not. I hear the odds are something like 100-1 against...