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Occupy Wall Street Movement: More Reasonable Than Radical

Posted: 10/28/11 06:14 PM ET

In his recent article Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd, prominent pollster Douglas Schoen makes the case that embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement would cost President Obama and the Democratic Party leadership the 2012 elections. Schoen argues that the protesters "are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies," with "values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people." We recently conducted 100 interviews in Zuccotti Park (October 22-23) and 95 interviews at the site of Occupy Boston (October 23) and our data presents a very different picture.

Results of our interviews show a population more motivated by reform than massive overhauls of existing systems, a group well-educated and well-versed on relevant policy issues rather than a radical movement likely to resort to violence. Moreover, our data suggests that casting them as deeply committed to "radical left-wing policies" tells us less about this movement and more about the biased frameworks being applied to ascertain their policy positions.

Our Findings

Tax Structure:
83% of the New York and 79% of Boston respondents prefer a tax structure in which people who make more should be taxed at a higher rate, consistent with current progressive tax structure

Public vs. Private Sector: While a plurality of respondents in New York (45%) and Boston (47%) are of the view that social services are best delivered by the public sector as opposed to the private sector, a sizable number of respondents in New York (41%) and Boston (32%) selected the third option: "public private partnerships."

Tax cut on Businesses: Half of the respondents in New York (50%) and close to a quarter in Boston (26%) support (strongly/somewhat) a legislation that would reduce taxes on businesses to create more jobs. Many of the respondents who opposed such legislation did so on grounds of the size of the business: small businesses should receive tax benefits while big businesses should not.

Outsourcing: 70% of the New York and Boston respondents oppose (strongly/somewhat) outsourcing (abroad) of production and services.

Free Trade: Majority of the New York (69%) and Boston (52%) respondents support (strongly/somewhat) "free trade between U.S. and other nations."

Other policy positions and characteristics of respondents:



U.S. National Debt:
An overwhelming number of respondents, 90 % in New York and 81% in Boston consider United States' national debt a very serious or a somewhat serious concern.

Education Reform: Upon being asked who should lead "education reform" 47% of the New York and 36% of the Boston respondents chose Federal government, while 34% of the New York and 36% of the Boston respondents chose State government.

Terrorism: 74% of New York and 70% of Boston respondents consider terrorism to be a very or somewhat serious concern at present.

Despite Schoen's findings, policy opinions on polarizing partisan issues remained overall consistent with main stream liberal social and energy concerns:

Public Support for Abortion Services:
80% of the New York and 79% of the Boston respondents support (strongly/somewhat) public support for organizations that provide abortions services.

Drilling in U.S. Waters: 76% of the New York and 74% of the Boston respondents oppose (somewhat/strongly) allowing drilling in U.S. waters.

Obama Care: 69% of the New York and 63% of the Boston respondents support (strongly/somewhat) "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act."

Unionized Labor: 62% of the New York and 58% of the Boston respondents support (strongly/somewhat) the idea that "companies with unionized labor should get government contracts before companies without unionized labor."

The majority of the supporters and protestors are highly educated and employed.

Employment Status: Only 16% of the respondents interviewed in New York and Boston were "unemployed." The majority, 57% in New York and 53% in Boston, are currently employed. Other respondents reported being students, underemployed or retired.

Education:
Most of the respondents, 75% in New York and 62% in Boston either had an undergraduate or a graduate degree.

Stated simply, our results caution against any premature and overly simplified classification of the Occupy Wall Street movement and its supporters, while underscoring the need to conduct further research. Moreover, further research alone will not be sufficient, until and unless we move away from thinking of public opinion as a means to an end, rather than an end in itself. In a representative democracy, public opinion should serve as a mechanism by which elected officials and candidates understand and address the concerns of the citizenry, rather than being used solely to determine which groups are most expendable in the American electoral process.

The authors started the Occupy Wall Street - Public Opinion Project (OWS-POP), an independent initiative run by volunteer researchers to generate and publicly share data on the Occupy Wall Street protests and protesters on ongoing basis.

For Questions or Comments, please email: ows.pop@gmail.com

For Results: OWS-POP website: https://sites.google.com/site/owspublicopinionproject/home

 
 
 
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Nuyorican21
Law Clerk
09:33 AM on 10/31/2011
The WSJ article is awful. It's one thing to have diverse political views that aren't reflected in policy-making, but its another to say "Take your government hands off my Medicare". Remember only about 1/3 people can actually pass the citizenship test.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
04:30 PM on 10/30/2011
We leftists should own up to our 'radical' heritage, and make the case for socialism. Third-way capitalist "democracy" is not the wave of the future.
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dirtpeddlar
04:02 PM on 10/30/2011
OWS- Last time I checked we lived in a free country. If you dont like big banks- you are free to use smaller hometown banks. If you dont like Wall Street- dont invest any of your money with them. If you dont like the police arresting demonstrators- quit breaking the law. If you really want to make a difference OCCUPY WASHINGTON DC in particular the white house.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
04:28 PM on 10/30/2011
Washington is owned by wall street.
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Bella Lee
01:00 AM on 10/31/2011
Americans do not want money in our government. Americans want separation of corporate and state. OWS patriots will continue to protest this corruption
02:46 PM on 10/30/2011
They started out as reasonable but are now unquestionably radical as the non-radicals are shut out.

Articles like this are increasingly desperate attempts to convince the public that this is still a mainstream movement. It isn't - and it is rapidly moving much further left.

The face of the movement is now angry protesters clashing with police and wealthy left-wing celebrities worshiped by adoring OWS activists.

That is the end of OWS.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
04:31 PM on 10/30/2011
The furth left, the better. Clashes w/ police demonstrate who really runs this country.
08:00 PM on 10/31/2011
And you had better change the 99% very quickly.

This is exactly the fanaticism that the majority fears. And it will do nothing to help anyone.
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Bella Lee
01:03 AM on 10/31/2011
OWS is growing more each weekend
11:19 AM on 10/30/2011
I wonder how many OWS protesters were screened to find 100 reasonable souls (at each location) who could be surveyed futher for these findings?
03:53 PM on 10/29/2011
but didnt herman cain said that these people have no one to blame but themselves because they didnt work hard enough or get to where they are to become rich!
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NoPartyCharlie
03:52 PM on 10/29/2011
Oh god stop the polling, the movement is to crush corruption. Its not "reform" or anything like that. Reform is just another method to be formed back into the old in a couple years. People want a overhaul of corrupt banker owned financial institutions such as the federal reserve. People do want their dollar to have meaning and be backed by a sound metal.
03:36 PM on 10/30/2011
Talk to 20 different OWS participants, you'll get 20 different answers about what they want.
03:52 PM on 10/29/2011
i wonder how many occupy wall street protestors vote republican or only democrat
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Opposition Research
Studying the enemies of civil liberty for 20 years
06:23 PM on 10/29/2011
Among the actual protesters? I'd say extremely few vote Republican. Many probably vote Ralph Nader of Green Party before they'd vote Democrat.

But, speaking as an opposition researcher of the Religious and Far Right, let's talk about ideology. One of the factions that make up the Tea Party is what was called the Patriot/militia movement. The Patriot movement tends to be extremely suspicious of Wall Street, multi-national corporations, and international banks.

Sound familiar?

If you don't believe me, Google for the lyrics of the Patriot movement musician Carl Klang.

Being the opposition researcher that I am, I have subscribed to the John Birch Society magazine, the New American. The advertisers in the far-right New American are not the stereotypically greedy corporate interests, but blue-collar capital production industries who support the Patriot movement out of anger over the way that America is being sold out by the ultra-wealthy corporate heads. They see in corporate America and the financial industry the precursor to the dreaded New World Order -- one world government.

This faction of the Tea Party strongly supported Pat Buchanan in the 1990s. His dreams of legislated religious traditionalism were, of course, a big draw, but Buchanan also has strong Union Democrat traits. Love him or hate him, Buchanan *is* truly "America first,"

Does that dissipate any doubts that I indeed know my stuff? :)
06:45 PM on 10/29/2011
is john birch society considered conservative? am i right on this? i dont like the two party system either but it seems there isnt enough movement in america to stop it since these two parties have so much history. i also dont like electoral college system either.

the tea party is mainly a party that are angry republicans and green party are people considered democrat but dont like the democratic party
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
11:36 AM on 10/30/2011
How can you call yourself a patriot when you want to revert to a "religious traditionalism" that our Founded Fathers didn't even believe in. When you're a "patriot" who wants to use the Bible and not the Constitution as the establishment for the rule of law in this country, then you failed American History 101.
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mairs
02:05 PM on 10/29/2011
Republican lawmakers, stop stalling on approving a head for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. I know you want us to be unprotected and easy pickings, you want everything to go on just as before with no safeguards. You couldn't care less because you're doing your bosses' bidding.
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NoPartyCharlie
03:53 PM on 10/29/2011
Sooner or later the republicans will install another Cox(ian) and completely drive the regulator into dirt.
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mairs
01:53 PM on 10/29/2011
Interesting that the Right tries to turn the spotlight off of the offenses committed by Wall Street. I'm really surprised that you would support the playing of Russian Roulette with our economy, gambling with derivatives to enrich the few while the rest of the country has to dig deep into our pockets to pay their debts off so they can rise again to get back on the receiving line for their bloated bonuses.

All you can talk about is mind your station in life. You make it worse and feed the fire with your insults and arrogance.

It reminds me of the Fukushima nuclear accident threads. The nuclear industry posters came to insult people who were concerned, with that same patronizing arrogance, calling people ignorant.

You make me double my resolve, you make me want to go to a demonstration, you make me want to wipe the smirk off your face.
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Opposition Research
Studying the enemies of civil liberty for 20 years
04:23 PM on 10/29/2011
I hope you don't mind that I borrowed your "mind your place" line.

I'm an opposition researcher of the Religious Right, and have been for 20 years. So, for me to say that the modern corporate right wing is more dangerous, more vicious, more bigoted, and more cold and callous than even Fred Phelps and the people from his Westboro Baptist Church, is really something.

When even Rick Santorum and Rick Perry, whom I consider very dangerous, can have glimmers of conscience that make them look like saints alongside the hyper-capitalist, social-darwinist corporate right, let's just say that it's not a good reflection on the latter.

By the way, do you know who's the most prominent supporter of OWS?

The Pope.

Yeah, *that* Pope.
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
11:56 AM on 10/30/2011
Business, by it's nature, has zero civic mindedness to it's existence. It always puts profit above people and only regulations and oversight and an overriding sense of individual morality amongst some business leaders diminishes that impulse. For 30 years, we have had that profiteering goal take precedence over the needs of the people by the policies we have crafted for business.

At the same time, we have encouraged a business model that rewards wealth over productivity, shareholders over employees and customers. This sense of entitlement has allowed not just many CEOs and executives but the Middle Men like bankers, brokers, insurers, and investors to take a larger piece of the pie that, once upon a time, was shared by workers who became the most important facet of our consumer economy when they were well-paid consumers.

The 1% has had their interests catered to for so long and a whole class of billionaires of middle men whose only purpose is shuffling around other people's money have seen their wealth enhanced because of those policies. These executives and middle men don't want to give up the farm to those pesky workers. They forget that those pesky workers because those profitable consumers.
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mairs
01:20 PM on 10/29/2011
"In a representative democracy, public opinion should serve as a mechanism by which elected officials and candidates understand and address the concerns of the citizenry, rather than being used solely to determine which groups are most expendable in the American electoral process".
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Great sentence.
12:42 PM on 10/29/2011
A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time for love, a time for hate
A time for peace, I swear it's not too late

The Byrds (Pete Seger)
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Scientistengineer
Degrees in Physics (BS), Chemistry (MS.), and Mate
12:12 PM on 10/29/2011
Hmmm.... Just because a population expresses an opinion in your poll does not mean they are "well versed on relevant policy issues"! Nor do I see any questions asking them their opinions of any radical left-wing policies. How can you state that they don't support them? Their "policy positions" reflect a left of center leaning - something we already knew. You can always get the answers you want in a poll by framing the questions your way. There is also the issue of sampling - 195 interviews - wow! Did your pollsters equally approach the homeless or immigrant protesters sleeping under tarps - or did they approach the well-dressed, well-groomed protesters carrying signs with cogent messages? I guess we'll never know, will we?
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Soulsurfer
Solar Electrician,Longtime Surfin'Fool
01:18 PM on 10/29/2011
If you look again at their positions on trade, taxes, and government services you would see that there's not much room for "radical left-wing" policies. No one is calling for the overthrow of the government, or moving away from democracy or capitalism. They (we) want change, away from where we've slipped into the crony capitalism, heavily tilted toward the rich playing field, a return to opportunities to work in our chosen fields, for a decent wage, and a chance at a future free from crushing debt and incessant job insecurity. You're looking for "radicals" where there are little to none.
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yakmeat
Nearly all of us are both makers and takers.
02:04 PM on 10/29/2011
Well said.

Some will always see anything left of their own perspective as "radical". When all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
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mairs
01:45 PM on 10/29/2011
Not what you wanted to hear, was it. This means something whether you like it or not.
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Opposition Research
Studying the enemies of civil liberty for 20 years
02:18 PM on 10/29/2011
Some people don't like hearing inconvenient truths.

That's they they've tried to drive all left-of-center voices from the mainstream media.

They almost succeeded. (Now try to tell me that the New York Times shows up on every American doorstep.)
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jeb50
Retired.
10:29 AM on 10/29/2011
OWS and their millions of supports are the right wings nightmare. An informed population.
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vonhinger
11:23 AM on 10/29/2011
if only they were getting information with out any slant one way or another. The OWS are just being used. They need to wake up and look around and see the big picture
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mairs
01:45 PM on 10/29/2011
That's the problem, they've seen the big picture, and it includes them in it less and less.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
01:51 PM on 10/29/2011
Used by who? We're expressing positions that have popular support which, for whatever reason, both parties continue to ignore.
02:26 PM on 10/29/2011
Actually Jeb, right wingers are thoroughly enjoyning this. This IS informing the population, but I suspect not the way you think.
http://youtu.be/oSo-MEiMbac
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RU Mad II
Conservative Conservationist and Conversationalist
10:23 AM on 10/29/2011
The OWS movement started out as a noble cause, one that every American could get behind. However, it is increasingly being co-opted by agenda driven individuals and entities who seek to further their own causes by capitalizing on the popularity gained by the original protesters.
This is not about political agendas or right-left leanings, but simply a protest against the criminal way our government does business with Wall Street. Whether you are progressive, liberal, independent, or conservative should not matter. If you are tired of squeezing pennies while the ultra-rich get bailed out the YOU have a stake in this also!
02:08 PM on 10/29/2011
Occupy London has a better message, it's about the financial community co-opting goverment policy to further their own ends. Such as demanding we bail out Greece, Italy and Spain.

A bunch of banks(mostly French and German) decide to invest in weak economies, those countries threaten to default, and the proposed solution being the rest of us must make sacrifice to ensure the banks survival. Hello, France and Germany can always nationalize the banks after they fail...but that would be public socialism, instead of corporate socialism.

It's about BoA dumping trillions of dollars worth of toxic assets on the public's books to ensure it's survival, while at the same time, the financial industry demands governments cut public expenditures because deficits are bad.
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RU Mad II
Conservative Conservationist and Conversationalist
08:02 PM on 10/29/2011
I agree completely. The entire basis of capitalism is that if you or your product do not perform at market standards,then you fail. This theory of being to big to fail is just that, a theory. We bailed out numerous companies and entities and look what happened anyway.

My sympathies go out to the people whose mortgages were bought by or financed by BofA , but those who chose to deal with BofA on an account level or investment level are just perpetuating the problem, and deserve whatever they get in the end.
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American Subversive
Free markets are beneficial to ruling class only.
04:08 PM on 10/29/2011
But conservatives see nothing wrong with the majority having to squeeze "pennies while the ultra-rich get bailed out". In their warped view, this is capitalism at its best.
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RU Mad II
Conservative Conservationist and Conversationalist
07:52 PM on 10/29/2011
WOW, did you not guess that I am a conservative? Your generalization of conservatives is incorrect. Do you honestly think we condone these practices? If we are in favor of smaller gov't, less taxes, and fiscal responsibility, why in the heck would we be in favor of bail outs?

When you respond to me please do so in a respectful way. I am not here to hear your opinion of what you think I am. I am here to share my views, enlighten others, and if possible become more enlightened myself.

Have a nice day.