Dissing God

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Posted April 15, 2008 | 03:57 PM (EST)



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Outside his audacity of hope, it could be Barack Obama's audacious scrutiny of religion that becomes his undoing.

Did I mention it's 2008? And yet we're still talking about God. Despite being so advanced and clever in all aspects of our existence, human beings are still talking about a bearded dude, who supposedly walked on water, and could cure people with one touch, but couldn't navigate his way off a cross.

Perhaps recognizing the benefits of leading a population fearful of an invisible daddy figure in the clouds, moderate politicians have always approached the issue of religion cautiously. After all, terrified people are easily led and fed all kinds of crazy bullshit. Why educate them and screw it all up?

But when politicians do dare to break past the restrains of religion, they become Obama post-Gunsn'God faux pas in Pennsylvania. For a presidential nominee, mentioning secularism as part of their ideology is the political equivalent of self-castration.

After Obama's slip, Clinton tripped over her feet rushing for the podium to capitalize on what whiny traitor, Joe Lieberman, and the conniving jackal, Bill Kristol, have termed Obama's "Marxist rhetoric."

Talking over the jeers of the room with that creepy, plastic smile stuck to her face, Hillary Clinton was cautious to harp on her "faith," and not "religion," which is a politician's way of nodding to the religious right without admitting to being one of those loons, who believes Jesus is a cracker, or that the all-powerful creator of the universe cares if humans eat shellfish or engage in sodomy.

But the issue of faith (see: religion) is still very much a part of the modern political debate, despite the discover of the Human Genome, humankind's ability to create vast networks of infrastructure, and the scientific strides made in the exploration of the universes of microorganisms and outer space.

We know so much, and yet some of us just can't shake the God fantasy.

Even when a popular "Progressive" candidate like Barack Obama runs for presidential office, he has to be cautious not to dis' God, lest Pennsylvania yokels chase him from their great land, shouting and waving pitchforks from the backs of their pickup trucks.

Of course, that's if you believe the God issue was a big deal to Pennsylvania voters until Hillary Clinton furrowed her brow and acted concerned about the issue of "her faith" for a five minute stump speech.

In a Op-ed for The New York Times, Roger Cohen wrote:

I'm troubled by Hillary Clinton's recent innuendo-dripping remark that her Christian faith "is the faith of my parents and my grandparents." As opposed, of course, to Obama, who came to Christianity from a mother whose "secular humanism" held that "rational, thoughtful people could shape their own destiny," and a Kenyan father born into a Muslim family, and a Muslim stepfather.

Religion is such a taboo subject in American politics that even Obama's most valued trait, his diverse upbringing, brands him as religiously impure. The fact that he dares to talk about secularism and his father's Muslim roots would have spelled out "doom" for any other candidate.

However, until Pennsylvania, Obama had somehow managed to dodge all the bullets that fell his secular predecessors. That may be due to the fact that Obama threw the media wolves enough meat scraps about attending church with his girls and praying to keep them at bay.

It's sad that the media has seized upon this moment to harp on issues of rhetoric, like if Bill Clinton made an equally offensive faux pas in 1991instead of how we can transcend the issue of religious fantasy.

After the Reverend Wright scandal, Barack Obama delivered an ambitious speech about race, and as Jon Stewart put it, he talked to Americans like they were adults. It's a waste that no speech about religion followed Clinton's unfair and petty assault on his "guns and faith" remark. Though, Obama can hardly be blamed for skirting the issue entirely. No one - not even the golden Man of the Hour, Barack Obama, can dare to dis' God.

And yet religion is a timely issue, as timely as the economy or the Iraq War. In fact, Iraq's rapidly deteriorating state can be credited to American-caused chaos and a subsequent increase in religious sectarian violence.

If only Obama could operate without the threat of religion slowing him down and censoring him. It would have been a welcome change after the Bush administration, which declared an all-out War on Science, and famously destroyed the wall between religion and state.

At home and abroad, religion slows the progress of science and prevents humanity from evolving. Religion is a destructive force in our world. It encourages tribalism and results in sectarian violence. Religion curtails scientific curiosity with the most nauseating of all child-like excuses: "God did it."

It will take more than one man dipping into the secular pool and then furiously backpedaling for this evolution to occur. It will take an enlightened population, unafraid of a fantastical God - a population that values science, truth, and wisdom above sectarian lies.

 
 

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- piquet See Profile I'm a Fan of piquet permalink

Allison I noticed you don't last very long on the "front page"...I think it's because it's hard to argue when someone has the "audacity" to smear ones face in their own shit. People don't like the truth and are especially challenged when their faith is shaken causing a "hmmmm" moment in their own scarred minds.
Keep plugging away. I am a fan. Your punk rock style suits me just fine. It's so straight up and feels like an unsuspecting elbow when skanking in the pit. Count on me to "swing away" when the slap of reality is the only way in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/16/2008
- wileylaw2 See Profile I'm a Fan of wileylaw2 permalink

I'm having trouble deciding who's more closed-minded: Allison or the people she disses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 04/15/2008
- efranklin See Profile I'm a Fan of efranklin permalink

Senator Obama has done something daring. He's daring voters to put some faith -- not *all* of it -- into a political system that has failed them over and over. The path of least resistance says that a candidate must parade themselves in front of the country bumpkins and pretend to be one of them. Such is the story of the Hillary Clinton campaign: an eminently wealthy Washington insider that has been encapsulated inside the bubble of royalty Americana, masquerading as a peasant. It's "Dukakis in the tank" squared. Time will tell if anyone is fooled by this absurd farce, and only then will we know if the voters are as stupid as Hillary thought they were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 04/15/2008
- TuffPosh See Profile I'm a Fan of TuffPosh permalink

The saddest part about things like this is that we don't need religious folks to win elections. Instead of pandering to churchgoers, we should drive them out of our party and only let rational people who don't believe in "God" join. Plus, that way we're assured of smarter voters.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 04/15/2008
- blueraven See Profile I'm a Fan of blueraven permalink

Funny; I'm a polytheist and I have no problem respecting other people's religions and voting with reason as my first source instead of my faith. Maybe you need to stop thinking that Christianity is the be-all and end-all of religious thought and contemplate how some of us practice a faith that insists its adherents' common sense dictate their actions, combined with honor, respect, and tolerance. Then maybe, just maybe, you'll quit with the knee-jerk nonsense about how this shibboleth you've named "religion" is really "stupidity."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/15/2008
- kappa08 See Profile I'm a Fan of kappa08 permalink

Let's face it the imputance of American has been exposed and "measured"...I have been banging on this very issue all day with little if any feedback. Because at the end of the day Obama calling out simple American's "blanky" touched a nerve of very real insecurities. THAT IS the elephant in this room.
The minute someone challenges your fears that lead you to "god" or the gun you can't handle it. Never mind the fact that in the very quiet spaces of your minds it's true...
Honestly status quo American is looking for any reason not to evolve. Whether it be voting for a rational thinker or the fear that your sensabilities will be challenged by those that actually have a "way" outide of your traditional voo doo bible.
Florida barely passed (4-3) the right to teach evolution in school...and that's only of they don't use certain terms in order not to unwind the mind fuck their ministers of regression have pounded into young thinkers.
As long as we get bogged down in this bullshit this country is destined for mediocrity...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/15/2008
- sdlittle See Profile I'm a Fan of sdlittle permalink

You are right on with the bogged down in bs.
I am a believer, my best friend is an atheist. We are both pretty smart people who spend a lot of time thinking about and discussing current events, science, markets and their connections to politics. We both adamentally agree on the seperation of church and state. Not because we want to somehow punish religion, but rather, because it has its own place.
Now, if we were having this ridicules debate upon whether Obama was slamming religion (which I do not think he was. Listen to the whole speech.), during a time when everything else in the country was falling into place just gingerly, then that would be one thing. We are in a war we can win, lost OR pay for. Each month the jobless claims go up, with the country losing 80,000 jobs last month alone. The biggest and oldest banks in the country, banks that managed to keep their doors open during the Depression, are crumbling. Foreclosures are at record-breaking highs. Food has inflated faster and higher than it has in 17 years. The "plan" our country has come up with to fix our economic woes is to BORROW more money from the Chinese to give to our consumers. Religion should be a detail in one's life, not a creditial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 04/15/2008
- blaqntelligence See Profile I'm a Fan of blaqntelligence permalink

As a Christian, I find it uplifiting that those campaigning to run this country feel the need of a power greater than themselves.
What IS frightening is those who feel qualified to seek their own counsel and mock those who know that man is fallible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 04/15/2008
- klmebane See Profile I'm a Fan of klmebane permalink

no one is mocking anyone for having faith. the problem is faith taking over politics. i do have a question, as a christian you may be, qualified to answer. if man is fallible, and man wrote the bible, doesn't that make the bible fallible?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 04/15/2008
- lfrei See Profile I'm a Fan of lfrei permalink

Wow Allison, great piece. It amazes me that people still buy into the God fantasy. You know fear is an incredible means to direct the masses. Just ask our ass in chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 04/15/2008
- hopeless277 See Profile I'm a Fan of hopeless277 permalink

Ooooo, you goin' to hell. >; - )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/15/2008
- foolwriter See Profile I'm a Fan of foolwriter permalink

Herein lies the rub. When you tell people they're idiots for believing something, they stop listening to you. I really don't understand why so many secularists don't understand this very simple proposition. Now the flack over Sen. Obama's comments are blown way out of proportion. I don't think he was insulting religion or religious people. But unlike him, you actually are calling all religious people morons, and by doing so, practically ensuring that none of them will listen to you. If you want to have an informed debate about the place of religion in government and elections, you can't start from the assumption that you're right and everyone else is crazy. That goes for the fundamental christians, catholics, jews, mormons, wiccans, athiests, and so on.

They can't prove God and you can't disprove god. But both sides need to find a way to talk to each other without wholesale demeaning each other, otherwise the rift will only grow wider.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/15/2008
- anon004 See Profile I'm a Fan of anon004 permalink

"They can't prove God and you can't disprove god." Foolwriter, I think your statements are very interesting. I'm a former believer who found her way to atheism over a long period of years, and I may have some insight into why these to groups can't seem to talk to each other. For believers, the fact that God's existence can't be proven is actually a good thing because they view it as a test of faith, i.e., you can't be a "believer" unless you have faith in something that can't be proven. For atheists, the fact that something can't be proven (either now or, acknowledging that humans don't have perfect knowledge, in the future) means it isn't worth bothering with, let alone seriously debating, being exclusive, and, in extreme cases, killing for (i.e., you wouldn't do violence to someone because they don't believe in unicorns, so why would you do it for any other imaginary being?) So, these two groups are bound to be talking past each other. Pretty much by definition, they view members of the other group as being hopelessly "wrong," So, I guess I'm not optimistic about rifts getting reparied any time soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/15/2008
- HeevenSteven See Profile I'm a Fan of HeevenSteven permalink

Believers don't want to talk to heevens about religion; they think we're nuts, think we're missing out on so much in life, don't think we're fit to get elected to dog catcher, don't have any respect for us. Many would gladly hang us all. Who's turn is it to start showing a little respect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 04/15/2008
- bmora See Profile I'm a Fan of bmora permalink

Yeah, I am also getting tired of under-educated buffoons lampooning my candidate for having the audacity to get an education at Harvard.

Ok, Christians, why do you hate to learn so much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/15/2008
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