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Ami Kaufman

Ami Kaufman

Posted: September 11, 2010 05:01 PM

"Right there, beyond those trees, is the Green Line," our tour guide said, as he pointed to a valley on our right. I was a junior-high student in Haifa, and we were on a field trip on the way to Jerusalem. As our old bus slowly crawled up one of the roads winding through the foothills of Judea, I looked outside the window to where our guide directed us.

I was looking exactly where he pointed, and I indeed saw trees - but nothing else. There was no border, no fence. I remember being very puzzled by this. Even back then as a young teenager I read the newspapers, and of course I saw the terror attacks on TV. I knew about the Six-Day War, and I saw the Green Line on the maps. So, how could it be there was no border separating "us" from our "enemies"? No physical boundary? Nothing!? It was hard to grasp.

As I grew up, I later understood the political reasons for the absence of such a barrier. And I also understood the security reasons for the separation wall which was later to be built - albeit only partially. And, I more than understood - and despised - the malicious reasons for that wall carving deep into Palestinian territory, veering away from the Green Line in too many cases to count.

But as we all know, the wall is not (yet) a border  - and in its current route, it never should be - and Israel is still a state where millions of people live without equal rights. Sometimes that's also hard for me to grasp: I actually live in a country where millions of people have not had equal rights for over 40 years. Millions of people are second class, without citizenship.

Two main solutions have been discussed over the years to change this status quo: The two-state solution and the one-state solution, with the former apparently turning into an impossible mission. Since the Olso accords were signed the settler population has tripled, and the chances for a viable Palestinian state are getting slimmer by the minute.

The latter option has been sitting on the back burner for a long time until just recently, when it began to get more and more media attention in Israel. Unfortunately, this talk - now labeled almost in every op-ed or essay as 'thinking out of the box" or "constructive debate"  - is doing nothing but harm to the national aspirations of Palestinians and will further delay the implementation of an agreement between the sides.

The media starts to chew the bone

The media frenzy started in January with Meron Benvenisti's essay in Haaretz on the death of the two-state solution. In February, sociologist Yehouda Shenhav published his book "The Time of the Green Line," also claiming that a one-state solution is by far more feasible. Both Benvinisti and Shenhav claim that one of the reasons the left has long promoted the two-state solution is its yearning for that "golden era" before 1967. As Dimi Reider wrote in Foreign Policy, Shenhav believes the Israeli left is "bogged down in nostalgia for a mythically pure pre-1967 Israel".

Both Noam Sheizaf and Reider later wrote this summer (here, and here) about how the one-state solution is gaining momentum - of all places - on the right wing of Israel's political map. The most vocal of these have been Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin, Likud hawk Tzipi Hotobely and former Defense Minister Moshe Arens.

And just recently, George Bisharat's op-ed in the Washington Post also received a lot of attention. Bisharat is for "one man, one vote", and claims that the only obstacle to one state is "the belief that Israel must be a Jewish state".

Just a slight problem

I must say, if that's the only obstacle - Bisharat's got me on the boat. Heck, we can surely figure out how to get around the Jewish state issue, right? Actually, it's a tad more complicated than that - but just a tad.

First of all, a slight problem might arise from the right wingers' plan to exclude Gaza from the equation. Gazans simply don't exist for them. Furthermore, the motives behind their support for the plan is also something to look into a bit deeper. As Yossi Alpher, former Mossad executive, says:

"How do Rivlin and Arens rationalize their solution? First, both engage in willful self-delusion by reducing the West Bank/East Jerusalem Arab population from around 2.5 million to 1.5 million, then assuming it will not grow any faster than the united country's Jewish population, thereby leaving the Jews in the majority forever. In so doing, they buy into totally unprofessional and politicized demographic estimates emanating from the Israeli and American Jewish far right.

"Second, they assert in a roundabout way that Palestinians, if just given a chance, would like nothing more than to be productive citizens of Israel as currently constituted--a Jewish and democratic state. Rivlin allows that this may take a generation or that perhaps the West Bank Palestinians will suffice with a condominium setup inside Israel; Arens wants first to "tame" Israel's own Palestinian Arab population of 1.2 million and make them good citizens in order to "prove" the same can be done with the West Bankers. Likud Member of Knesset Tzipi Hotobely also wants to wait a generation and anchor the country's Jewish status constitutionally so that Arabs can't challenge it. But to be on the safe side, she refuses to recognize Palestinian national rights--only individual rights.

"All, in short, fall back on patronizing, colonialist thinking that characterized Moshe Dayan's and Menachem Begin's ill-fated experiments in autonomy several decades ago. All these "solutions" smell of condescension, ignorance about Palestinian national aspirations and a refusal to recognize that demography would sooner or later bring about the Palestinization of Israel. Nor, under present circumstances, would even the most egalitarian offer of Israeli citizenship to West Bank Palestinians persuade the international community and Arab world to acquiesce in Israel ignoring Gaza's 1.5 million."


And why, according to Alpher, are we seeing this momentum in the right?
"There is only one persuasive explanation for the timing of these bizarre proposals. As they confront the cumulative weight of both Israeli and international opinion regarding a two-state solution, Israeli right-wing circles are also beginning to confront the inevitability of "losing" the West Bank, and consequently to panic."

So, in a way - the right wingers see that the two-state solution is indeed closing in on them. And how to stop it? With a delay of a generation or two by using strange "solutions" to fool not only the international community, but the Palestinians themselves. Sorry, but if you're one of those who are charmed by Arens and Rivlin who suddenly after 43 years of occupation are suddenly showing concern for Palestinian rights - you're about as naive as they come.

But we should also look at why the left wingers are supporting this. In my opinion, it's the exact opposite of the right winger's motives. If on the right there seems to be panic from the closing in of the two-state solution, on the left there is despair. There is frustration. There is a feeling that they've gotten so close after decades of efforts, only to see the settlers win again and again and ruin the chances for a viable Palestinian state. Their spirits are broken.

As part of the left wing camp, my problem with this is as follows: Frustration is no reason to switch solutions with such ease; it's not like returning an entree and choosing another off the menu. Second, I would think that my fellow peace activists should have more respect for the national aspirations of Palestinians and not have the audacity to decide for them which solution suits them best.

A what democracy?

But enough about right and left. Let's get back to feasibility. Can the one-state solution really work? And if so, what kind? In fact, there are so many different types to chose from, the first problem could indeed be deciding which one is best for Israelis and Palestinians. Furthermore, this decision making process could probably take longer than the decision to remove this settlement or that one.

Bisharat, as mentioned before, claims the "one man, one vote" system is the way to go. But he might not find a hopeful partner in Yehouda Shenhav, as Reider points out:

"Curiously for a decidedly left-wing manifesto, Shenhav rejects out of hand the "one man, one vote," "state of all its citizens" model as an alternative to a two-state solution.

This model, he says, "presumes the existence of a homogenous population motivated by individual interests and ignores the fact that most people in the contested space are religious nationalists with tremendous differences within both the Israeli and Palestinian communities." He opts instead for a consociational democracy: a system in which religious, cultural, national, and economic considerations will be balanced by mutual agreement, within a power-sharing government.


So, Shenhav doesn't want a state of all its citizens. He claims the differences between us are too big, our societies are too different to mingle. I actually agree with him on that.

But then, if this is the case - what does Shenhav recommend? A consociationalist democracy, where there is proportionate representation in government. If Arabs in this future one-state will be 50%, they'll get 50% representatives in government. They'll also have to get 50% representation in the army. But then, what kind of army would it be? Are we talking a Jewish army to protect Jews? And that's just one of the most difficult question that will have to be answered regarding security, government, symbols and more.

According to Wikipedia, a few of the conditions where consociationalism works best include "the presence of external threats common to all communities" and "overarching loyalties to the state." I can't see how that's going to work in our case.

The only kind of consociationalism that might work in Israel and Palestine is confessionalism, which is "a system of government that distributes political and institutional power proportionally among religious communities" - such as in Lebanon. But the Lebanese example hasn't been that great a success. And even though different religions were involved - they are all still Arab (and united by their hatred of their neighbour to the south). Let's not forget, large portions of Israelis and Palestinians have racist opinions of each other. The hatred runs extremely deep.

So deep, that I honestly can't understand how people would think that Israelis would give up the idea of a Jewish state, when Britain wouldn't even give up the pound for the euro, for example. And there we're talking currencies - not religion and land.

The only solution

The reasons not to go down a one-state solution are many: The numerous types of consociationalist democracies, their requirements and what would be needed from both sides to give up on, and so forth. But above all, the main issue is time. After 43 years of occupation, Palestinians need freedom now. They don't need to wait another generation for all of us to make up our minds whether we're going to be a Belgium, a Bosnia or a Lebanon.

Yes, the two-state solution has its problems, too. Is it unrealistic? No. Is it still more realistic than the one-state solution? Of course. Shenhav and Benvinisti may be right about the left being bogged down by nostalgia for days before 1967 - but they do not speak for me.

I was born after that war, in fact - I was born an occupier without anyone asking me. The same can be said for a majority of Palestinians who were born as occupied people. Speaking for myself, I have no nostalgia whatsoever for any period. I can not speak for the Palestinian youth, but I can only presume that their desire is to finally experience the taste of freedom. Nostalgia is not the issue.

Besides the difficult questions of Jerusalem, the right of refugee return and settlements, it seems today that most people complain about the disappearing viability of the future Palestinian state. Alpher has addressed this in the past:

Lack of territorial contiguity is indeed a potential impediment to Palestinian national viability. Even if the borders are eventually configured so as to provide reasonable contiguity between the northern and southern West Bank, the Gaza Strip will still be separated from the rest of Palestine by forty-some kilometers of Israeli territory. A lack of territorial contiguity proved disastrous for pre-1971 Pakistan/Bangladesh. Only the US, with distant detached states in Alaska and Hawaii, appears to be able to afford this luxury.

"Yet 40 kilometers is an easily bridgeable distance in the 21st century: by highway, railway, fuel and water pipes. Under conditions of peace and stability, Palestine's dis-contiguity looks problematic but manageable.

"This means that the future state of Palestine can be viable if it wants to be; if it has the national will. This is the true challenge for Palestinian "viability".


If the Palestinians have shown anything after over 40 years of occupation - it's will.

Let me be clear - I'm not against one state. I'm not against "one man, one vote". But not now. Now is not the time. You don't abandon one plan just because it hits hard times. And you don't force people to suddenly love each other, expect them to write a new constitution together and live in harmony after years of bloodshed.

What you do is find the solution to allow things to cool down. Just like a kindergarten teacher separates two boys who were fighting, so they can eventually return to play together after a calming down period. In diplomatic terms, this cooling down could take decades or a generation or more - just as it did in Europe, after WWII.

After the borders are set, and each makes decisions about its own fate, then - and only then - can both sides decide to tear the walls down and reunite as equals. Good fences make good neighbors, and when neighbors decide the fences are not needed - they are easily taken down. Then we can decide what kind one-state we want, when we're not blinded by hate.

We cannot wait longer. We must all work for immediate separation, for Palestinian rights - now! No more delays, no more new "solutions", no more disguises of gestures that are in fact nothing but clever ways to stall and steal more land. This talk of the one-state solution must be taken off the table, for it damages the chances to implement the real and only option.

We're already so close. We can't let frustration blind us. With a few brave decisions, it can happen sooner than we think.

The one-state solution is not as some of us call "thinking out of the box." Now is not the time to think outside the box for a different solution. Now is the time to think outside the box in order to finally get the two-state solution back on track.

This article was originally posted on ++972 magazine.

 

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02:46 PM on 09/28/2010
Equal rights is a scary concept for bad people
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Manchurian
With Liberty and Justice for All
03:51 PM on 09/15/2010
Terrific article, Mr. Kaufman. I appreciate not only your open-mindedness, but also your insight into the nuances of the difficulties of achieving a one-state solution. While I still fear "events on the ground" may have negated a two-state solution, I also feel I've learned something from your analysis.
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01:41 PM on 09/14/2010
The White Paper of 1939, also known as the MacDonald White Paper after Malcolm MacDonald, the British Colonial Secretary who presided over it, was a policy paper issued by the British government under Neville Chamberlain in which the idea of partitioning the Mandate for Palestine, as recommended in the Peel Commission Report of 1937, was abandoned in favour of creating an independent Palestine governed by Palestinian Arabs and Jews in proportion to their numbers in the population by 1949 . A limit of 75,000 Jewish immigrants was set for the five-year period 1940-1944, consisting of a regular yearly quota of 10,000, and a supplementary quota of 25,000, spread out over the same period, to cover refugee emergencies. After this cut-off date, further immigration would depend on the permission of the Arab majority . Restrictions were also placed on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs.
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Majed Mazin
04:27 PM on 09/13/2010
“here is the text of the LORD BALFOUR DECLARATION:

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild:

I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's
Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:

His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge
of the Zionist Federation.

Yours,
Arthur James Balfour

PLEASE NOTE:

'' it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..''

I find it disturbing the the Jews who benefited from the Agreement, fail to honour this.

perhaps, someone could explain this.”
01:32 AM on 09/14/2010
Easily. After the deceleration was made, the Arab residents of Palestine engaged in terror acts and expulsionist ideology against the Jews. When time to implement the deceleration came, in the form of the partition, the Arabs lunched a war trying to extinct the not-yet-created state and its people.

This is how they doomed themselves to be the bad neighbors.
06:13 AM on 09/14/2010
sacoA - your comment is the result of being indoctrinated with manufactured history.
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FairuzGhowar
02:47 AM on 09/16/2010
Historical records state stern and irgun were engaing in terror act Not the palis. Oh wait you knew that didn't you. Got it.
09:20 AM on 09/13/2010
One state where it's one man, one vote should absolutely be on the table should Palestinians decide to take advantage of it and forfeit their future just and deserved nation of their own. Israeli right wingers (and some left wingers) might not like it but you don't get to keepy occupying and brutalizing people because of their religion and ethnicity because you want to keep your nation controlled by your racial and religious group only. In this day and age that will get you called what you are. Loudly. An outdated colonialist apartheid state. A bloody anachronism floating in the midst of hundreds of millions of people who every day for decades you have told a hundred different ways you look down upon as less deserving and less human. It didn't work for any European nation in Africa or South America and it won't work for Zionist Jews in the middle of the Middle East. Not without a heavy price at least. I don't know how many decades it will take for the Israel-firsters to comprehend that.
09:53 AM on 09/13/2010
Yep - one state with equal rights for all. Ethnic nationalism is a very bad thing. We've seen evidence throughout history.
01:33 AM on 09/14/2010
Yes, I guess France, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, and actually all the western world but the US and Canada is an example to failed nation states.
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BcemXAHA
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12:36 PM on 09/13/2010
*but you don't get to keepy occupying and brutalizing people because of their religion and ethnicity because you want to keep your nation controlled by your racial and religious group only.*

You don't understand the I/P conflict. It has nothing to do with religion on either side. Education is important in these discussions.
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Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
08:00 PM on 09/13/2010
Thats the goofiest thing ive ever heard.
11:08 AM on 09/14/2010
"You don't understand the I/P conflict. It has nothing to do with religion on either side. Education is important in these discussions."

What a hilariously disingenuous statement! A quick and easy Google search (the Internet is a tool; since you are implying you value education it would help to use educational sources with which to...wait for it...educate yourself) would show you that Israel is intended to be a Jewish state with a primarily Jewish population by the majority of politicians that are now and have been in power there. In addition, Israel has codified in law that different ethnic and religious groups even within Israel proper live under a different set of regulations. Those facts have created friction and been a direct or supporting cause in violence and other problems arising in that area. Once again, the Google. Therefore, religion and ethnicity (shocking, I know) does indeed play a role in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hopefully you have an organ called a "brain" residing somewhere in your head. Use it. Love it.
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BcemXAHA
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08:19 AM on 09/13/2010
One State should simply be eliminated because it never was, nor will it ever be a solution.

Why on earth would the Palestinians want to lose their identity by being absorbed into Israel? Don't they want their own country that they can call Palestine?

Two States, the ONLY way, solution for two peoples.
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09:39 AM on 09/13/2010
I don't think Israel wants or will allow two states. They are unwilling to abandon the land they stole in the West Bank. They are also unwilling to end the siege and blockade of Gaza. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. If I am right then the one state solution is inevitable through Israeli stupidity.
09:54 AM on 09/13/2010
Well said lbsaltzman.
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BcemXAHA
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10:54 AM on 09/13/2010
You have no clue what Israel wants or doesn't want. You live in diaspora. Israel stole nothing, the Arabs had no business attacking if they weren't sure of their might. Things don't always workout as planned, this is but one example. When gazans stop lobbing missiles into Israel the blockade will be lifted, until then the blockade remains. And yes, you are wrong, as always. Some things just never change.
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FairuzGhowar
09:21 AM on 09/16/2010
A. Cause their government blows.
B. they'd like to see the Beach and their old villages again
C. Palestinians and Israelis work together, sleep together etc. even if you don't like it so they don't need to be separated.....the extremist on both sides should be jailed however.
07:54 PM on 09/12/2010
While the one-state "Solution" is as bad as you say, the two-state "Solution" is equally bad:

An Arab state in the West Bank is would, be taken over by Hamas or Syria. Abbas can't keep sovereignty and is 75 years old. Nobody knows who or what will replace him. Abbas cannot deliver peace; he has nothing to offer. The PA is weak, but Hamas is strong and Iran is stronger.

A West Bank state will get aid from the world, and arms from Iran, probably through Syria. They'll build up until they're ready for war. Then the big war starts. Deaths could reach the hundreds of thousands, without nuclear weapons. With nuclear weapons, it would be worse.

I think we are stuck.

You care a lot more for the Arabs than they care about you. There is nothing "Jewish" about this. You are avoiding the hard reality. The primary obstacle to the 2-state plan is Hamas, backed by Iran. It looks like the Arabs are more realistic, possibly more peaceful, than the Persians.

The Arabs most likely have the power to force Israel to choose between being a democratic state and a Jewish state. This is not pleasant.

Sometimes the seemingly impossible happens. The Jews survive, and Israel is founded. So peace is also possible. But the successes of the past are the result of realistically facing the truth, and the failures of the past came from over-optimism.
02:30 AM on 09/13/2010
Sadly, your analysis is quite accurate. There HAS to be reciprocal goodwill on ALL sides or separation can be deadly for Israel...and even for Palestine; witness how the Arab League states have treated Palestinians, cynically used them, for decades. Yet it is also true that Israel simply cannot hang onto the West Bank, as the late Ben-Gurion pointed out. To paraphrase Jefferson in another context, 'we have the wolf by the ears and we dare not let him go.' The future won't be easy.
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Majed Mazin
07:14 PM on 09/12/2010
''Let me be clear - I'm not against one state. I'm not against "one man, one vote". But not now. Now is not the time. ''

how unfortunate to inconvenience the israelis, but now is exactly the time.

values and principles are not something to store in your trunk and bring out when fashionable.
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JibberJabberwocky
01:38 PM on 09/13/2010
Well said. That is not a convenient or easy reality -- but even a hard reality is better than a pleasing lie in the long run.
01:36 AM on 09/14/2010
Indeed, the Palestinians are quite explicit and consistent in their unwillingness to accept a Jewish state, a Jewish sovereignty, and anything Jewish that is not subjected to them.

You get a smiley AND a star.
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messy
artist, writer, adventurer
06:48 PM on 09/12/2010
The "green line" was never supposed to be a permanent border between Israel and Palestine. EVER.
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JibberJabberwocky
08:07 PM on 09/15/2010
So you're saying you'd prefer the 1948 borders, which WERE supposed to be permanent?
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Majed Mazin
05:33 PM on 09/12/2010
Democracy is a system of government in which a country’s political leaders are chosen by the people in regular, free, and fair elections.

In a democracy, the rule of law protects the rights of citizens, maintains order, and limits the power of government.

All citizens are equal under the law. No one may be discriminated against on the basis of their race, religion, ethnic group, or gender.

In a democracy, every citizen has certain basic rights that the state cannot take away from them. These rights are internationally recognized and guaranteed.

Everyone has the right to have their own beliefs, including their religious beliefs, and to say and write what they think.

There is only one reason that a one state solution is opposed - in a democracy, the majority rules .
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messy
artist, writer, adventurer
06:49 PM on 09/12/2010
"No one may be discriminated against on the basis of their race, religion, ethnic group, or gender."

Then there are no democracies in the world. not a one.
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Majed Mazin
06:56 PM on 09/12/2010
it is termed ''approaching democracy''.

some societies have evolved more than others.
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
07:27 PM on 09/12/2010
"in a democracy, the majority rules ."

You need to learn about democracy. In a democracy, the majority does *not* rule. The majority has an advantage, but the minority is protected. Otherwise, it's mob rule.
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Majed Mazin
07:38 PM on 09/12/2010
yes, the rights of all minorities must be preserved and protected.

how foolish that i would assume this to be a given in this forum.
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Majed Mazin
09:41 PM on 09/12/2010
you are hardly qualified to tell others what ''they need to do'' .
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Tobias Riepe
05:05 AM on 09/12/2010
"We're already so close. We can't let frustration blind us. With a few brave decisions, it can happen sooner than we think."

No, you're not close, and it is you who is blind. The rising number of Palestinians who support a one-state solution simply have come to realize a few basic facts:
1. Israel will under no circumstances agree to the establishment of a free, truly sovereign Palestinian state on the 1967 lines. Even when Israeli politicians talk about a Palestinian state, it is just a smokecreen to continue the occupation by other means.
2. The US, the only country with the power to do so, will under no circumstances force Israel to agree.
The logical conclusion from this is that further investement in a two state solution is a waste of time and effort and that adopting the model of South African resistance is the only option left "on the table".
You may, of course, try to dispute the two assertions made above, but quite frankly: Reality disagrees with you.
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
10:19 AM on 09/12/2010
The problem, of course, with your theory is that:

1. Israel is even less likely to agree to renouncing its sovereignty than creating a Palestinian state and

2. The US will also never force Israel to agree to a one-state.

So you can whine and complain about how hard it is to keep up with two-states, or you can try to make peace happen. But this other route is even *less* likely to get you what you want.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
10:29 AM on 09/12/2010
When the population of Palestinians surpasses that of Israelis, either Israel engages in massive ethnic cleansing and looses total support around the world, or Israel is absorded into a single democratic state.
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Tobias Riepe
11:48 AM on 09/12/2010
Whether Israel can actually resist a concerted struggle for equal rights in a single state remains to be seen. The first shock will likely come to Israel when the PA, after realizing its mission has failed, is dismantled and Israel is faced with the choice of either letting Hamas take over the West Bank or resuming administrative control itself. The struggle against a Palestinian civil rights movement will gain quite a new quality when Israel finds it no longer has the PA to keep the West Bank quiet for them.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
08:10 PM on 09/11/2010
Actually, I have to disagree with you.  The Palestinians might, once again, go for the unilateral statehood declaration, but it is only likely to be supported by a small part of the population, and if it is to be seen as legitimate by anyone other than the US and some EU countries, will include things that will result in a lack of recognition by those countries, which will effectively stop that movement on that path for the near future.

Ironically, by the time the US and some EU countries move politically to the point where they would endorse such a move, the odds of getting the Palestinians to make it will have dropped, because the single state solution (not the one of the Israel right's dream, but a true single state, with a 'law of return' that does not exclude Palestinians who aren't Jewish.  There may be a point where there is a 'two-state' situation, temporarily, (if the Israeli leadership gets its act together at some point, and offers good terms to the Palestinians) but that is likely to be seen as artificial, and re-unification become supported by most of the world.
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Vlady
Better Late
08:30 PM on 09/11/2010
>>true single state, with a 'law of return' that does not exclude Palestinians who aren't Jewish.

I wonder what would GB do if Americans and Canadians of Britain decent decided to go back to GB
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:04 PM on 09/11/2010
Betterr question would be what the British would do if they were FORCED to allow those descendants (and the ones from the rest of the world too, to imigrate until there were enough of them to drive the Brits out of the south and central parts of the country, and declare it to be a republic, not a monarchy.  Think they'd resist?  Think they'd ask France to help them stop the violence being done to Brits who stayed loyal to the crown?
01:29 PM on 09/12/2010
Vlady,

The comparison is false because those "Americans and Canadians of Britain decent" are not refugees, and, if they have American or Canadian citizenship, they have no right to return to Britain.
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Romulus
Centrist
11:02 PM on 09/11/2010
Richard....Let me see if I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that eventually the world will force a one state, one person-one vote solution on the region including full right of return to all Palestinians Arabs resulting in an Arab majority which will dissolve Israel as a Jewish State and probably renaming it Palestine?
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
11:36 PM on 09/11/2010
They 'forced' a one-state, one person-one vote solution in South Africa, and didn't care that it resulted in the disolution of South Africa as an Africaaner state, and didn't care what name they might or might not choose.

And as people start seeing around the edges of the Israel brand to the policies of the Israeli government, they'll suffer the same problem as the Africaaner state did.
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Majed Mazin
09:29 PM on 09/12/2010
fair is fair!
08:10 PM on 09/11/2010
The main obstacles to *any* solution are the semi-American semi-Zionists who have a hammerlock on the news media and Congress. Their huge egos, and cowardly refusal to move to Israel, are a festering sore on the American body politic.
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03:50 AM on 09/12/2010
perhaps....but my fellow Christians, with many of them far right wing and like zombie's when it comes to independent thinking......are the main problem.....although certainly AIPAC, etc. works hard to keep them lame sheep....
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07:55 PM on 09/11/2010
The Israelis, and the Palestinians, have an obligation to themselves, and to each other, to reach peaceful solutions on thier lands. The more years they waste, arguing over dirt, the further and further behind they'll get in terms of keeping up with the rest of the world. Now, maybe for some, living 500 years 'retro' is OK, but time waits for no man, and living in the past just gets you left behind. Who wants to live in a museum, and have tourists come take pictures of the 'quaint locals'?

Don't help or agitate one side against the other, remind instead everyone involved that they're part of a larger community. Get it done, already, the rest of the world is tired of waiting for/on them...if they all pull together, they can become self-supporting, and stop being an economic drain on other countries.
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07:00 AM on 09/12/2010
Israel hasn't wasted any of its time during its occupation. They have one of the strongest, most advanced militaries in the world, a top 5 world economy, a booming real estate market and technology companies that rival Silicon Valley. Israel has moved on and really isn't interested in making peace. It's simply not in their interests.
As for the Palestinians, they are visitors in their own country and have no rights. Until they're recognized as people, they can't move forward.
Unfortunately, this is reality.
02:36 AM on 09/13/2010
The majority of Israelis want peace. We want it badly. Study what happened when Sadat came to Jerusalem. And many of us were saddened and disappointed when Arafat walked away in 2000, rejecting statehood, investment, development, and opportunity.
07:25 PM on 09/11/2010
A SINGLE BI-NATIONAL STATE OF JERUSALEM WITH THE CITY OF JERUSALEM AS ITS CAPITAL

It is necessary to appreciate that whilst the US is the primary supplier of military and civil aid to Israel , the EU is its primary trading partner without which the state of Israel is not economically viable. (The EU is also, of course, a primary funder to the PA).

It is, therefore, the EU that holds the key to the conflict. It needs to act to avoid the increasing likelihood of global war. When and if it takes the required action then the UNSC can take the appropriate next steps to establish a single bi-national state which would subsume the existing state of Israel . Only then will there be a solution that brings enfranchisement and freedom to all indigenous peoples of the region, and a peaceful settlement to the conflict.

Obviously, there will be those, who will oppose such a solution but political necessity dictates an equitable solution now, not subsequent to further conflict that would be likely to end in widespread bloodshed throughout all the communities of the region both Arab and Jewish, plus a very possible escalation to encompass both Europe and parts of the US.

That is why it is essential for the European Union to act, sooner rather than later.
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04:18 PM on 09/12/2010
The US has long lost any legitimacy as a leader on this issue. You can expect the EU to step into the gap sooner rather than later.
11:14 PM on 09/12/2010
Yeah, because the Europeans (who slaughtered 6 million Jews and partitioned the Middle East into various entirely made-up states) have never anything to either side of this conflict. They're the impartial ones.