So America, Europe and the World - I have a question for you:
What more proof do you need?
What more proof do you need to convince you to finally take action?
What more proof do you need to convince you, that these two children who have the audacity to call themselves "nations", will go on acting foolishly and kill each other until you put a stop to it?
What more proof do you need of Israeli immaturity?
Without going into the biggest crime of all - over 40 years of occupation - what government in their right minds sends an elite commando unit, armed to their teeth, trained to kill, to do policing at sea?
What kind of government doesn't take the time to think of a more clever way to stop a boat? It's really not that hard. And there was so much time to think. To prepare.
Sure, that boat should have been stopped. But are you telling me the great Jewish mind couldn't find a better way to stop a boat other than commandos sliding down ropes, with gloves on their hands and paintball rifles? Really?
And what more proof do you need of Palestinian immaturity?
Without getting into the crimes of Palestinians - terrorism, incitement and the Hamas rule of hatred - what kind of leadership, be it Palestinian or foreign peace activists, in their right minds tries to ram through a blockade of the strongest army in the Middle East?
What the organizers of that flotilla did was irresponsible - on the verge of gross negligence. Trying to get through that blockade was just like taking a truck full of supplies to one of the Gaza crossings and ramming it through the gate, even though the IDF told you to stop. Just because it happened at sea at lower speeds doesn't make a difference.
The whole idea was folly to begin with, almost as if the weakest kid in class would go up to the class bully and kick him in the knee, thinking he'll get away with it. There are smarter ways to deal with class bullies. Especially notoriously trigger-happy ones such as the IDF. Unless, of course, that's the result they were hoping for: blood. Which, if true, is just as sick.
And exactly what kind of peace flotilla carries weapons when they promised not to use violence? I saw those "peace activists" using their knives and metal sticks. Oh yes, it took me straight back to Haight-Ashbury.
So, now the investigations will begin. Who started? Who sounded the first shot? Who hit whom first? No! He hit me first! No I didn't! You hit me and then I just pushed you so you wouldn't hit me again! What??!? I pushed you?!?! You tripped me and then I got up and you pushed me!! Mommy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Children.
And you just sit there and watch. And you demand "full investigations".
Oh yes, let's do that. Let's investigate, shall we? Because nobody knows what the problem is. The root cause. Nope. We must search, we must investigate. In fact, I can't think of a better way to spend our time as 1.5 million Palestinians and Gilad Shalit rot in Gaza.
Your upcoming investigations are useless. Your inevitable finger-pointing is futile.
And so far, America, Europe and the World - you have also been futile.
When will you understand that it's already out of our hands? That we have no control over it any more?
Honestly, what more proof do you need?
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Brad Hirschfield: Mourning, Not Politicizing, Gaza Flotilla's Dead and Wounded
What matters today, at least in any conversation which claims to be driven by spiritual or religious sensibilities, is the sadness at the loss of life and continued suffering on both sides of this conflict.
Ahmed Rehab: Israel Gaza Attack: Do Actions of the 'Jewish State' Represent Jewish Values?
Israel's failure is not a failure of Jewish values. If anything, it's a failure to apply Jewish values.
one of many examples in Germany and German occupied countries during WW II:
http://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/albanian-muslims-saved-jews-from-nazis/
LOL is it just me, or did the most elite commando unit of the "strongest army in the Middle East" and "most moral army in the world" (Ehud Barak) get their asses handed to them by a bunch of humanitarian activists on a peaceful civilian initiative to feed the starving people of Gaza? The strongest army, need I remind you, also has a recent record of killing over 1000 civilians in Gaza with their awesome planning abilities (they spent 3 months practicing on a scaled down version of Gaza and then pretended like Hamas broke the truce LOL), and another deplorable list of victims in Lebanon.
Israel's self-defense is a bloodbath of all of its neighbors. There is no excuse any more.
Cost-- A few people wounded.
May all the world's Islamo-terrrists meet with such victories from this point on.... ROFLL....
Cost-- A few people wounded.
May all the world's Islamo-fundamentalists meet with such “victories” from this point on....
It is astonishing that anyone, with even barest familiarity with what happens yesterday, would have the temerity to call the people who lynched, shot and thrown Israeli Navy personnel from the upper decks-- "peace activists."
Get your facts straight Oleg, we're tired of your excuses.
A group of Turkish militants attacked Israeli navy personnel clubbing, knifing and shooting them.
The fact that there were some real peace activists on OTHER ships, not the one owned by Turkish radical Islamist group doesn't change the facts I stated above.
The 24 hour redirect of supplies going through Egypt was not worth the lives of people. Hamas routinely uses Gaza and its people as Martyrs for their cause and anyone else who is involved. They dont want peace they want the end of Israel.
Hamas rather fine-tuned the whole human shield military strategy. Too timid to fight, as proven by Cast Lead, the idea is to hide behind women,children, and now foreign appeasers. All for the glory of modern Caliphate.
More than a dozen protesters appear to have died in this assault. But ultimately that is small scale compared to the number of Palestinians who die due to the blockade of Gaza. But that has gained a stage of normalcy which makes it go unremarked on. An event like this which draws attention to the crisis is not really so hard to understand. It was the thinking behind the Exodus incident in which Jews did something similar to shed light on what the British were up to.
And the threat to Israeli policy is real, which is why their reaction is not all that surprising. Attention to the situation of actual Palestinians in Gaza outside of the context of rocket fire is a serious threat to Israel. Although it is hard to see how this assault helps them. But that is stupidity in trying to deal with an indefensible situation rather than anythign that deserves to be called childishness.
It is excellent analogy to portray Israel and the Mafioso Hamas as children being stupid.
"SOME guilt" is also obtuse. There is no attribute of "SOME guilt" there is undeniable guilt against the flotilla. They ignored repeated demands to redirect to Israeli port for inspection. The inspection assured that humanitarian aid would be delivered to the Gaza citizens, but that it is required inspection proceed. This intent is well known and undeniable. Therefore, it is wholly plausible to accuse the flotilla of direct violation of Israeli law, as they repeatedly rejected all requests for directions to Israeli port.
And who was wrong? And who was right?
It didn't matter in the thick of the fight
And we would all go down together
We said we’d all go down together
Yes we would all go down together
I am appalled at the human suffering Palestinians and others endure because of the ongoing border blockades. This environment is a choice Hamas has desired. They are using Gaza as a martyr nation. It is disgusting.
You left that out.
Here is what I would do.
I would offer Israel the opportunity to join NATO and have a NATO base installed at the northern Border of Gaza, in return for this security guarantee, Israel would return the occupied territiories and recognize the Palistinainan State, which in return for the the occupied territiories would recognise Israel and sign a peace treaty with them. (Inspection of goods into Palistinian could be taken over by NATO or the U.N. at the NATO base.)
If the Palistinians reject the proposal it would be clear that they have no desire for peace and world should imeadiately stop providing aid and boycott their goods. Same goes for Israel, if Israel rejects the proposal the should stop providing them with aid, military equipment and boycott their goods.
If this was done a deal could be reached in less htan a month. The trouble is no government in the world has the courage to stand up to these international bratts.