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Advantage: Keynes?

Posted: 06/ 1/11 10:02 AM ET

If you want to know what is going to happen next to your investments, the job and housing markets, and more generally to the economy, you may want to follow what is happening to the ideas of British economist John Maynard Keynes. Keynes argued that when economies are sputtering, the government must increase deficits, because its increased expenditures will stimulate the economy to better growth. (The time to slash government spending is when the economy is running at full clip.) This is the theory Presidents Bush and Obama, as well as the Federal Reserve, have followed. However, the anti-Keynesians have long maintained that cutting government expenditures is the course to follow -- because the more money that is left in private hands, the better for the economy. The Tea Party is full of anti-Keynesians, and these days, so is the GOP leadership in Congress.

Recently in Europe, the anti-Keynesians seem to have won a round. When the conservative-led governments in the UK and Germany curtailed government spending and announced more cuts (note: the market is affected by what investors expect to happen next), the two countries' economies grew. Britain's government released an "austerity budget" of deep cuts, and soon thereafter (in the third quarter of 2010), its economy grew by 0.8%, surpassing predictions.

Similarly, by late summer of 2010, after German chancellor Angela Merkel announced nearly $100 billion in cuts from the budget by 2014, the economy was growing at a 9% annual rate, and unemployment had fallen to pre-crisis levels. In the Weekly Standard, Christopher Caldwell argued that the German results showed that "something in our economic dogmas is probably false." David Brooks proclaimed that the "early returns" of the "natural experiment" comparing American and German approaches suggested that the German approach was the correct one.

These observers uncorked the champagne too early. Both economies are now sputtering. In January 2011, the British government released figures showing that the economy had contracted in the fourth quarter of 2010, defying predictions of growth and reigniting fears of a "double-dip" recession. In April, the IMF downgraded its UK growth forecast for the third time in a year. And in Germany, previously-rapid growth has slowed significantly, although it seems to be regaining speed in the last quarter.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the federal government has started cutting expenditures, and investors hear daily about many more cuts to come. Local and state governments are slashing their expenditures. The Federal Reserve is about to end the main part of its stimulating program in June. And U.S. economic growth slowed down from 3.1% at the end of 2010 to 1.8% at the start of 2011. Another round for the Keynesians.

Surveys reveal that economists tend to agree that the American economy will pick up pace again over the next months. If so, the anti-Keynesians will find a data point to support their agenda of more and bigger cuts in government expenditures. However, do not bet your last dollar on these predictions. At best, the economy may well continue merely to sputter along, growing a bit faster than in the first quarter, but still at a rather sluggish pace. In this case, the main point will not be that the Keynesians will win one more round -- but that we are following a wrongheaded economic policy that will cost us all plenty.

As I see it, Congress and the White House would best now commit themselves to major deficit cutting measures -- to be automatically triggered only once unemployment falls below 7.5% or some such figure. This should be a policy both Keynesians and the anti-Keynesians could learn to love.

Amitai Etzioni is a University Professor at The George Washington University and the author of The Moral Dimension (The Free Press, 1988).

 
 
 
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
12:16 PM on 06/02/2011
When the top 2% have 40% less of the countries wealth...
When the "actual" corporate tax rate is 30%, not -.13%...
When Defense Spending is 40% less than it is currently...
When there is full disclosure campaign financing reform...

It will be a great start.
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CPAwADD
My super power is sarcasm!
11:27 AM on 06/02/2011
We are in a real bind. I do not know of any examples of austerity turning an economy around, but with our high debt load and increasing population of retirement age there is higher risk with debt. The biggest problem has been that we've run deficits when the economy has not been in the tank. That was a bad idea and is anti-Keynesian.
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cyclone70
if there was a time to reach for the pitchfork
03:43 PM on 06/02/2011
A wise business man I know once said "you can not keep cutting your way to growth"
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CPAwADD
My super power is sarcasm!
07:47 PM on 06/02/2011
In a macroeconomic sense that is absolutely true.
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Trustfunded1
09:00 AM on 06/02/2011
Why even try to discuss America and Keynes,we don't follow him.
They actively participate in the deficit spending side of Keynes theory is rough patches in the economy.But they also defecit spend in the good times when they should have been saving for their rainy day fund.

When politicians stop spending to acquire votes thats when Keynes teachings will work.
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Lemeritus
Been there, done that, lived to tell
11:56 AM on 06/02/2011
Good post.
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JBDenver
1% - Not just for milk anymore
07:05 PM on 06/02/2011
TRUTH!

(But we still need to discuss his and competing philosophies as well.)

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shaitan
The Devil's Advocate
01:39 AM on 06/02/2011
If the only prescription is tax cuts in good times or bad as G.W. Bush and the Republicans pushed through with little resistance from Democrats, while continually increasing spending on "defense", actually wars and weapons, there is no way the country can ever catch up in revenue to make the deficit smaller. Bush said the Clinton "surplus" belonged tot he people and should be given back. Well, the deficit also belongs to the people, especially those who were Gung Ho to go invade Iraq but this symmetry escapes the mind of the tax cut enthusiasts.
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Stoopid American
Trooth, justice, and the American way ...
12:39 AM on 06/02/2011
Keynes' ideas were spot on. The trouble is that our economy has been in a perpetual state of stimulus for half a century. Stimulus during recession only works if you run surpluses during boom times. Otherwise you just end up with an economy addicted to stimulus - like the one we have now.

I'm a leftie, but it is clear that we have to wean ourselves off the deficit teat. Personally, I favor doing it by increasing the taxes on the wealthy and forcing corporations to pay effective tax rates anywhere close to the statutes - and also by ending those incredibly expensive and pointless wars we are waging. But, however we do it, do it we must.
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MWChris
02:36 AM on 06/02/2011
You raise a good point regarding our perpetual state of stimulus. We don't run up surpluses during good times the way that we should. In addition, I would argue that the 2009 stimulus package was too politically driven and was not based on solid economics and infrastructure development.

Not only do we need to pull out of the wars, we also need to bring home the troops stationed all over the world that no longer contribute to national security. Why do we still have troops in Germany?
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cyclone70
if there was a time to reach for the pitchfork
08:50 AM on 06/02/2011
Exactly, why do we need troops bases all over the world still? these are mostly relics of WWII and the cold war, with obsolete purposes. Japan, Germany, Europe, even Korea, except that one you might make the case for due to Kim Jong Il

Being the worlds policeman does put a major economic strain on the US, and has been the downfall of empires like Rome and the Biritish empire, being spread too thin and collapsing on ourselves
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cyclone70
if there was a time to reach for the pitchfork
08:52 AM on 06/02/2011
ending the pointless and endless wars would be a big help. where is that "peace dividend" we were supposed to get when the cold war ended?
09:25 PM on 06/01/2011
Other than government officials, who are always looking for reasons to take other people’s money and spend it on their special interest supporters, is there anyone that sill believes that Keynes has any credence?

More importantly, we have been practicing Keynes nearly continuously since the 1980’s, funding artificial economic growth with other people’s money. Has it really made any country better off? I would argue…for a while…since borrowing money and dumping into the market cannot hurt in the short term, but as Thatcher warned, and as Greece has found out, sooner or later you run out of other people’s money and the long term bill for that borrowing comes due.

It is better to dial back the borrowing and government debt-financed expenditure, let markets equilibrate to a lower level, and then let’s grow from that level based on private savings, private borrowing, and private business creation as well as private job creation. It creates the SUSTAINABLE jobs that fuel an economy and, as Greece recently found out, when a bulk of your jobs are government supported, you leave yourself vulnerable to other countries that hold your debt since they, ultimately, are the ones who pay these employees.

If anything, the last few years has shown us, we need less borrowing, less regulation, less taxation of private individuals and industries, and more natural and sustainable economic growth and job creation.

Kai
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cyclone70
if there was a time to reach for the pitchfork
08:53 AM on 06/02/2011
Acutally we have been doing Frieman's voodoo economics since the 80s - free marketeering, free trade, deregulation and all that nonsense

a little keynes at this point would be a good thing after the failed experiment with chicago school
09:03 AM on 06/02/2011
Really? How so? I am interested in this view point.
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
11:02 AM on 06/02/2011
What alternate universe did you say you were from? Friedman and Greenspan might have something more to do with the state we're in than Keynes. Ending Glass-Steagal was definitely not a Keynes-like thing to do.
12:04 AM on 06/03/2011
Social Construct:

You fairly ask, ‘What alternate universe did you say you were from?’

It is called REALITY. It is an alternate reality to where most of you liberals are from, called FANTASY. But thanks for asking.

You state, ‘Friedman and Greenspan might have something more to do with the state we're in than Keynes.’

Perhaps. Care to elaborate with fact, data, etc? I will rebut.

You then state, ‘Ending Glass-Stea¬gal was definitely not a Keynes-lik¬e thing to do.’

You seem to know a lot about him. Certainly elements of his counter-cyclical government intervention in markets influenced parts of Glass-Steagall, but what specifically about the repeal of Glass-Steagall would he object to, in your opinion, as per his economic theories? Many of the mechanisms that he argued for in his works, namely interest manipulation, currency manipulation and deficit spending to affect full employment still exist today in the form of the Fed rate changes and Congressional borrowing, so…what would he be against specifically in your opinion?

Kai
07:02 PM on 06/01/2011
Despite all the theories they hold
Economists fail to be bold
And expose all the crooks
So they write for them books
And continue to do as their told
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rhdsma
06:56 PM on 06/01/2011
How bad does it have to get before admitting austerity will not do the trick. The people need jobs.Austerity does not go out shopping.
06:53 PM on 06/01/2011
Prof. Etzioni,
The unemployment rate is not a true measure of unemployment...therefore your plan is easily corrupted. Our official unemployment rate of ca. 9% does not nearly describe how many people are unemployed plus under employed.

Also the economic data for those countries who have "tightened their belts" is miserable while those who have been more lenient not so much.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/iceland-ireland-again/

I think you are swayed too much by the anti-Keynesians. The economic outlook right now looks brutal...I don't see the pick up you are seeing.

My suggestion is that you read Paul Krugman's blog every day and try to refute what he says with what your supposedly sober anti-Keynesians are putting out. You will find that the latter have based their theory on scant to no data.
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Independent66
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06:47 PM on 06/01/2011
The Professor conveniently ignores the current size of our national debt which grows by $3t before the next election. To put the national debt into perspective, we need to remove that portion arising from SS. That is $2.4t. We are at $14.5t so the debt that needs to be addressed is $12.1t growing to $15.1t by the next election. In the 4 year Obama administration it will have added $6t on top of $9.1t. That is a 67% increase in just 4 years! All the previous Administrations created $9.1t! If you include the debt created by the Dems from 2007, It is $7t. That is an 86% increase in just 6 years. Now consider what this means for every family unit that files an IRS tax form, roughly 120m family units. That added to each family's debt another $58k in the 6 years leading to 2012. That is on top of roughly $68k before 2007 for a grand total of $126k for every family who submits an IRS form to report income. Currently, that is almost $13k more yearly. Ask yourself, how am I or my decendents ever going to repay this money that I owe to investors? The Professor wants you to take on even more debt so the Feds can spend more! This is crazy! What does it do to the next several generations? Ask yourself, would you do this to yourself if were up to you? Of course not!
DanBest
My micro bio is empty
03:43 PM on 06/02/2011
If you throw more people out of work in an attempt to balance the budget you will end up decreasing tax revenue and further add to the debt. The largest driver of the debt right now is a decrease in tax revenue due to a recession which threw a lot of taxpayers out of the job market. The Bush era tax cuts were meant to be temporary and a reaction to the surplus we had in 2000. They continue to gouge a 50 billion dollar a year whole in our revenue to provide a tax break to the richest 1 percent. Now YOU ask yourself this: If it would temporarily make the budget look better for you to lose your job and end up homeless, would you do this to yourself? Of course not! So let's stop the debt hysteria and this charade that demands sacrifices only from those who have the least to sacrifice. There really are more important and tangible problems in our world than some promise to pay some debt in the future.
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legalclubs
06:29 PM on 06/01/2011
Keynes argued that the government should deficit spend during the bad times and run a surplus during the good times, the surplus being available to pay back down the debt incurred during the bad times. However, we are deficit spending right now to the tune of $1.7 Trillion and in every plan out there we will continue to have massive deficit spending for many years to come in the future.
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NAMI
Je juge , donc je suis
06:27 PM on 06/01/2011
Amitai
the automatic trigger that you mentioned tied to the UNemployment rates of 7.5 % or even 8 % would make sense.
also there is a way that people could help reduce the DEBT by contributing for this SPECIFIC purpose.
14 Trillion is a huge amount and it will take a long time. Instead of DONATING to the POLITICIANS who want to run for office...........people should contribute to US Debt reduction.

some ideas are posted ...........www.USDebtNOMore.blogspot.com

www.USDebtNOMoreUS.blogspot.com
06:14 PM on 06/01/2011
WIth my Plan unemployment wont go over 8 percent---at what point did libs decide maybe it was one too many promise and the guy doesnt have a cluet---Jimmy Carter would have pulled back even---well maybe not jimmy! but same thing!
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chesswizard3
Truth can never be taken away.
10:33 PM on 06/01/2011
History reveals that Reagan the so called friedman disciple of monetary theory is the President who began the great deficit march. No one complained that he was wrong because that debt helped alot of them grow wealthy. Bush
06:12 PM on 06/01/2011
Politcal Commentator and Economist are the same thing right----Becuase think dude is out to lunch and if I didnt know better he took the class CALLED how to collapse a society101!
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong
06:09 PM on 06/01/2011
stocks dropped sharply today... the republicans voted against the debt ceiling yesterday.. coincidence?