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Amitai Etzioni

Posted: September 20, 2010 09:44 AM

Reasonable Criticism vs. Prejudice

What's Your Reaction:

There is nothing wrong with criticizing many of the policies of the current Israeli government -- and those of the previous ones. And it is completely uncalled for to try to tar such critics as anti-Semites. Indeed, many Israeli citizens are more critical of their government than their American counterparts.

However, such criticisms do turn into a prejudice when they are completely one-sided. Thus, very little was heard recently from the critics of Israel, including many progressive American Jews, when Hamas killed four Israeli civilians, including a couple with six children and another on the way.

Note that Hamas kept to the ceasefire despite the continued blockade and did not raise its arms to support those who tried to break the blockade or against Israeli settlers -- until the Israelis and Palestinians sat down to try to negotiate a peace settlement. Thus, Hamas openly set out to kill these negotiations.

For those who hoped to draw Hamas into these negotiations, it one more time articulated what it is seeking: Hamas official Ismail Ashqar deemed the whole of Israel and the Palestinian territories "an Islamic endowment for all Muslims," adding that the Palestinian Authority and negotiators "cannot give up any single piece of dust of its soil." Yet none of this seems to particularly trouble those who chastise Israel whenever it needs to be chastised and sometimes when it needs not.

More astonishing is that we have heard nothing -- not even simple news reports -- in the progressive media, from NPR and New York Times to Huffington Post about the following, revealed by a Washington Post editorial: Palestinian police "rounded up scores of Hamas operatives last week [after the shooting of the settlers] but quickly released them - reminding some of former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's duplicitous response to acts of terrorism." The editorial urges Mr. Abbas to "match intentions with actions."

A fair-minded critic does not jump on one side and turn a blind eye to the other.

PS : and did you learn from any of these publications that the growth rate so far in 2010 was 16% for Gaza and 9% for the West Bank?

 
 
 
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
09:23 AM on 09/22/2010
Applying double-standards to Israel which are not generally applied to other nations (or "tribes")is intrinsically Anti-Semitic.
Having sympathy for the suffering of Palestinian-Arabs is humanitarian. Displaying sympathy ONLY for those Palestinian-Arabs who are suffering at the perceived hands of Jews, while ignoring similar or worse suffering resulting from Arab on Arab abuses is not only anti-Semitic but is ultimately detrimental to the Palestinian Arabs.
Lastly, expecting the Israelis to be the only true Christian in this world is intrinsically anti-Semitic.
07:42 PM on 09/21/2010
Arabs are Semitic.
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courtb
08:57 AM on 09/22/2010
So what? Come Anbreen, I've seen you on here enough that you try to avoid the ridiculousness. Whether we like it or not, anti-semitism has a very clear, historical definition that means "hatred of Jews". It might not make sense, but there it is.
08:45 PM on 09/22/2010
Nope. No "historic" at all. That application is relatively modern.

And, the definition of "Semite" has not been changed, at all.
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
09:17 AM on 09/22/2010
Everyone knows what "Anti-Semitic" means in the popular parlance. It requires no rethorical redefining.
05:31 PM on 09/21/2010
"However, such criticisms do turn into a prejudice when they are completely one-sided."

I have rarely read a criticism of "Israeli Policies" that wasn't one sided. Ever. Have you? Those two-sided arguments are probably published in Hebrew and not translated into English for us following from outside of Israel. I believe the whole "it's legitimate to criticize Israel's policies" is a canard we are supposed to assume happens - it doesn't.

The lens is now on Palestinians and their bad faith...and they are going to get all the criticism now. I am not worried about ANY Israeli policies...and I am focused on ALL PA policies instead - and those related to Islam. Those are the two subjects that DESERVE ALL the criticism for the NEXT 60 years.
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tallen
panem et circenses
10:49 PM on 09/20/2010
Interesting, because just today an experiment in such "criticism" was revealed by a University of Illinois economics professor .

"If the Left acknowledged sin, hypocrisy would be one of the most unforgiveable. But that’s exactly what hundreds of university faculty members – many in women’s and gender studies departments – were found guilty of during a recent experiment devised by a University of Illinois economics professor.

Prof. Fred Gottheil told Front Page Magazine that he compiled a list of 675 email addresses from 900 signatures on a 2009 petition authored by Dr. David Lloyd, professor of English at the University of Southern California, urging the U.S. to abandon its ally, Israel. Prof. Gottheil discovered that six of the signers, who hailed from more than 150 college campuses, were members of his own faculty.

“Would these same 900 sign onto a statement expressing concern about human rights violations in the Muslim Middle East, such as honor killing, wife beating, female genital mutilation, and violence against gays and lesbians?†he wondered. “I felt it was worth a try.â€

The results? “Almost non existent,†he told Front Page editor Jamie Glazov. Only 27 of the 675 “self-described social-justice seeking academics†agreed to sign Gottheil’s Statement of Concern – less than 5 percent of the total who had publicly called for the censure of Israel for human rights violations...."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/prof-calls-fellow-academics-sanctimonious-bigots-103207814.html#ixzz10825YypK
11:13 PM on 09/20/2010
Gottheil's is a great experiment.

True science in action!
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01:14 AM on 09/21/2010
Shock and awe there are loads of halfwits out there. Now try it the other way with supporters of the Israeli State and see what you get... probably the same percentage of hypocritical myopic halfwits are are consistently seen on here and elsewhere unable to accept any criticism of Israeli Sate actions.
And as long as you all enjoy each other you can continue point scoring over bodies and continue the rampant bigotry on both sides.
They can have their preconceived notions about Jews and you can have your 'every Muslim is a terrorist' 'picky eaters' comments and the like... all of which have been on here in the last few weeks.
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courtb
08:59 AM on 09/22/2010
That would work if the majority of posters on here who support Israel constantly comment on how they don't support the current administration or the settlements....
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09:24 PM on 09/20/2010
I didn't know they were mostly released. For a moment there I thought that the Palestinians were really stepping up to the plate and wanted progress. My mistake.
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BcemXAHA
Yerushalaim shel zahav
08:31 AM on 09/21/2010
It was all over the Israeli and Arab media.

There is a new video clip that hamas released of Shalit, but do you see it anywhere here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOe5reGIlRk&feature=player_embedded
07:46 PM on 09/21/2010
It's hard to think about progress when settlers burn one's crops, beat one's unarmed kids, and poison one's livestock.

Are violent settlers EVER arrested?
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09:46 PM on 09/21/2010
Watch the clip above anbreen and you can see who we're dealing with here.
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JibberJabberwocky
08:30 PM on 09/20/2010
Honestly for all this back and forth about what the PA would agree to, and what Hamas would agree to, we are losing sight of the more fundamental issue:

What would the Palestinain people agree to?

Leaders and representatives are all fine and good, but it is niave to believe that the Palestinain people, while I'm sure exhasted by decades of struggle, are going to just blindly accept whatever agreement the PA (or Hamas for that matter) might agree to.

Does anyone have that link to any relevant (and fairly recent) opinion polls covering the feelings of the Palestinain populace regarding any of the fundamental final status issues?
07:47 PM on 09/21/2010
They want the settlement building to stop.

They've made it VERY clear.
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JibberJabberwocky
02:39 PM on 09/22/2010
I'm sure you are correct that that is something the Palestinain populace considers very important -- but I seem to recall a public opinion poll that was floating around a couple months ago, that I can't seem to put my hands on now.
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courtb
09:01 AM on 09/22/2010
Check out the OneVoice movement. They do a lot of grassroots polling.
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02:39 PM on 09/22/2010
Thanks for the tip.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
07:46 PM on 09/20/2010
Interesting development today: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=188656

Jerusalem Post - Sept. 20/10

"Hamas: We agreed in the past to state within '67 borders"

"Group's Gaza leadership says it passed messages to Washington requesting dialogue with US, supporting 2 state solution.

"Hamas sent messages to the US government in the past stating that the movement does not oppose the formation of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, Israel Radio reported on Monday, quoting the group's Gaza leadership.

"According to the report, Hamas's Gaza leadership also requested to begin a dialogue with the United States.

"In the organization's biannual report, it was stated that these messages were relayed to officials in Washington through American political figures and academics that visited in Gaza.

The organization's Gaza leadership also asked the US to relax its restrictions preventing reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah."
10:14 PM on 09/20/2010
Felonious,

Why the 1967 borders are so holy as compared to any other years?
Tony Andrews
Ὁ βίος βÏαχÏÏ‚, ἡ δὲ τέχνÎ
10:33 PM on 09/20/2010
Netanyahu, who wrote it:

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river."

http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm

So who, exactly, is being felonious?
07:48 PM on 09/21/2010
Why would anyone object to the Palestinians unifying, if the Israeiis can?
05:50 PM on 09/20/2010
We are all losers in any kind of battle or war. To have successful negotiations there must be compromise on all sides. There is no justification for all the violence on both sides. Where are the Mahatma Ghandi's and the Martin Luther King's?
Thelonius
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07:23 PM on 09/20/2010
Palestinians have long since granted a stunning compromise. They agreed to accept a sovereign state comprised of a mere 22% of their ancient homeland. Talk about a "generous offer."
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courtb
09:02 AM on 09/22/2010
Then why isn't their quarrel with Jordan, who received most of the land?
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04:26 PM on 09/20/2010
Yes, Hamas sucks. One might ask, however, what caused Hamas to come into existence in the first place...
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Jeremy Lin = Game Change
04:36 PM on 09/20/2010
NAKBA, the right of return, settlers and the fake Yasser Arafat peace deal.
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03:13 PM on 09/21/2010
And let us not forget that Israel helped and supported Hamas in the early days when Hamas was being formed.
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04:44 PM on 09/20/2010
Excellent point. The Muslim Brotherhood founded and funded Hamas.
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05:38 PM on 09/20/2010
In response to the illegal and immoral invasion of Muslim lands by arrogant european whites who thought they could get away with it because who really cares about a bunch of simple brown-skinned people with no economic power or voice in the world, anyway?

The US behaves the same way. We lose a couple of thousand people and still claim to be the victim after we've killed hundreds of thousands in response. It is this violent soulless superior attitude that we fail to recognize in ourselves.
04:11 PM on 09/20/2010
Sir, You fail to realize that no "Palestinian" regardless of their political affiliation can negotiate for a popular movement. Too many splitter groups exist to make it meaningful. Only general economic prosperity for all, especially Palestinians, will create an environment where a true settlement can be reached and the extremists marginalized. Many cite the US acquisition of the Southwest territories as an example Israel can follow, but I don't believe, even today, the resentment of the "Gringoes" has really ebbed.
That said, there is no justification for terrorism, whether it is bombing populations, killing captured soldiers, or killing innocent Israeli or palestinian civilians, which both sides have done. Though I have a question, during the Israeli bombing of Lebanon the TV news showed a man digging his dead wife and four children from the rubble. If he were to attack Israeli civilians in retaliation would he be a terrorist, or just be continuing the blood feud? Would an Israeli civilian who suffered an attack by Hamas be a terrorist too? I state this because I believe that even if all the necessary issues are settled it will be at least a generation before the urge for revenge on both sides will subside. All governments will need to appoach these acts as police matters rather than continuing the feud.
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FTracy3
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04:07 PM on 09/20/2010
If one side or the other were to disarm completely, which one would be more likely to suffer massive casualties?
Thelonius
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07:27 PM on 09/20/2010
The native Palestinians.
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JibberJabberwocky
09:19 PM on 09/20/2010
If both sides were to disarm, you're probably correct, since the only people left with guns would be the settlers.
07:52 PM on 09/21/2010
The Palestinians. They don't have the weapons.
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03:56 PM on 09/20/2010
Interesting
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Jeremy Lin = Game Change
03:39 PM on 09/20/2010
Many folks are angry with Obama, because Single Payer was never even on the table to be discussed. It was discarded as an option without evening hearing it's merits.

Now we have "peace talks" where the single state solution is not even on the table, there will be no discussion of it's merits, or demerits. The talks will only discuss a two state solution, and does not include the majority views of the Pals, and the minority views of the Israelis.

folks, this is not racism, nor anti semitism, it is futile.
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03:54 PM on 09/20/2010
The people who live there and actually have to deal with do not agree.

http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2010/p35ejoint.html

There has been over 70 years of discussion about the merits or demerits. Time to move on.
04:04 PM on 09/20/2010
There is no single state solution that inlcudes a Jewish state therefor the Israelis are against it in the main...because, you might not like them, but they are not stupid and are not going to discuss something that amounts to the dissolution of Israel as a political identity an idea, and a haven for the world jews.

Since you know this...I assume you are making an underlying political statement and I would love to hear what it is.
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joeinvt
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04:17 PM on 09/20/2010
You perfectly articulated a point that is at the heart of the impasse. Fanned and faved.
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Jeremy Lin = Game Change
04:19 PM on 09/20/2010
Agree with you, a single state solution would, be the end of a Jewish state, due primarily to demographics.

many Israeli's who are not jewish, and many religious Jewish israelis favour a single state solution. They certainly are in the minority.

I myself favout a two state solution, but with the right of return. (I can get back to this later.)

I am not sure what you mean by me making a political statement.

I believe that all issues and concerns, and all the players, need to begin to discuss, and hear out each others views, fears, hopes, dreams, etc, before true compromise can be aproached, and a just and lasting oeace be fashioned out of the bloody ground of hatred.

I do not think that those who support a singele payer solution will ever accept Obama's health insurance plan, any more that those opposed to government control of health care will. That is because there was no real discussion among those who care. The discussion was among the power brokers, not among the players, so this issue is still unresolved, and will result, no doubt, in many Dems taking a fall this Nov.

So too, peace talks that brush aside the grievences, and dreams of those directly affected in Israel/Palestine will never succeed. I also believe that the door to a two state solution will not be open forever, and therefore it is imperitive to stop josteling for advantage, and get to the heart of it.
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02:46 PM on 09/20/2010
I would prefer that all Americans simply stopped "commenting" on or debating about Israel, and speak of it no more than we would of Ghana, or Belgium. I would prefer that the U.S. stop giving billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer money to Israel, and all that all our citizens begin to recognize and treat Israel as a separate autonomous nation. That means that whatever Israel does or does not do is simply not our concern.

Unfortunately, we have people in the U.S. who treat Israel like a precocious child, intervening on its behalf, sending money, rationalizing everything it does, caring more about the people of that nation than they do about their own neighbors here at home. And we have others who see Israel as the seat of all that is wrong in the world, ignoring the aggressive military intervention by the U.S. in so many other countries.

It's time to cut the ties. Let Israel make its own way in the world. Stop hovering and scrutinizing, and stop paying the bill. Israel demands the right to be an independent nation: let them do it. Now.
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03:14 PM on 09/20/2010
So many comment about the billions paid by the U.S. government to Israel, as though it were some kind of gift or some kind of public welfare. The U.S. utilizes Israel as a military base, just as it does other nations in the Middle East. No one ever comments about the amounts which the U.S. pays to those Arab nations, nor should they, since all of it is related to our national security.

Israel has fended off attacks on its own, with no assistance from any other nation. The results of those battles resulted in the former Soviet Union aligning itself with certain Arab nations and providing assistance. As the U.S. recognized those actions as a spread of Soviet influence, during the so-called Cold War, it took a more active role in the Middle East. At one time, the U.S. had more to do with Iran than with Israel.

The ebb of the Soviet Union saw its influence replaced by radical forces in the Middle East, such as the Taliban and other factions which had been trained and armed by the Soviets and the U.S..
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03:35 PM on 09/20/2010
Thank you Phoenix.

I think most people are unaware that all aid to Israel is military and 80% of that must be spent on US weapons. A better stimulus program for the economy than most other stuff.

Not only that but because of the many high tech joint programs, such as advanced missile defense the US benefits from the technology, and gets a say in whom Israel sells its weapons to.
03:42 PM on 09/20/2010
Economic Security has become synonymous with National Security, therefore the US has a role in many of those nations. I think it's disingenuous to say (not that you said it, but I've heard the argument that) most private transactions overseas have a larger national security impact than the special forces opperations that take place overseas.
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joeinvt
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04:20 PM on 09/20/2010
I am with you as long as we cut off the even larger amounts of aid we give to the Arab/Muslim world - and no more sending our young people to give their lives to defend the oil rich sheiks of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in their border wars with their neighbors.
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01:21 AM on 09/21/2010
There are no larger amounts of aid given to Arab nations. The figures are freely available and if there are then please provide them.
07:57 PM on 09/21/2010
Nope! Israel gets the biggest welfare check.

Google is your FRIEND.
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02:45 PM on 09/20/2010
If Israel was all white, and the same religion as the Pals, I would still disagree with many of their policies.

For example, the idea Israel and the US can arrange peace talks without the main player, hamas, makes no sense to me. I have come to this conclusion, not due to the race or religion of the israeli's or the pals, but in order to achieve a meaningful peace treaty, all the main players must be a part of the deal.

http://shoe08.blogspot.com/2010/09/peace-without-hamas.html

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03:12 PM on 09/20/2010
did you read the article? hamas doesn't want peace talks. They purposely killed civilians to try to end the peace talks.
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Jeremy Lin = Game Change
03:30 PM on 09/20/2010
I did read the article, but I read lots of news from multiple sources, not just one side.

Hamas is not invited to the discussions.

Israel refuses to discuss all issues that all sides care about.

both sides accuse the other side of killing civilians. The idea of a just and lasting peace is to resolve the issue of killing civilians, as well as other issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MpWPQcDNi4&feature=channel_page

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03:51 PM on 09/20/2010
"Yes, we know you're starving, but we refuse to talk to you until you stop saying you're hungry."

It reminds me of the US position that the gov't will not negotiate with terror groups, even though those terror groups talked with the US gov't all the time until their CIA training ended.

They're circle jerk arguments, always allowing the other side to say, "Yeah, but..."
It's like gang wars or the Hatfields and McCoys- - they've been going so long I'm not sure they know how it all started. If you ask either side who's to blame, they will tell you it's the other side, but that just isn't possible. And the truely sad shame is that "the people" on both sides just want to live in peace, but their elected officials just keep on warring.