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Amitai Etzioni

Amitai Etzioni

Posted: September 7, 2010 10:14 AM

Obama's Apologists: Take Note

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The Obama loyalists argue that while he is being impolitic, he will leave a great legacy behind. True, they proffer, he may have gone for health care while the people wanted jobs, and tried to bail out Main Street by bailing out Wall Street rather than the other way around. However, look at the first major health care reform in decades, and the first major financial reform in years, and so on. (Actually there are not so many "and so ons".) The president himself once intimated that if he had to choose, "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president." Most recently he allowed that he was governing while the Republicans were "politicking," but now he must also do some of this degrading stuff.

Well, the bad news is that if he does not do better politically, his legacy will not last long. If the economy continues to meander along, Japanese style, and the U.S. continues to be mired in a losing war in Afghanistan -- both look likely now -- the Republicans may well win control of both the White House and Congress in 2012.

And although they will not wipe out all that Obama achieved, they will cut and slice it, water it down, and then dilute it some more. The president and his remaining friends had better realize that legacy requires politicking. The argument that he can go for one at the cost of the other just does not hold water.

 

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04:11 PM on 09/07/2010
C'mon! My comment was respectful and complied with all commenting rules. Please post it, unless you don't like your arguments being challenged.
Thank you.
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03:52 PM on 09/07/2010
...and so on. (Actually there are not so many "and so ons".)
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Stimulus Law, Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, HCR bill, Financial Reform bill, Several unemployment benefit extensions, successfully managing TARP II and bringing stability to financial system, develop and implement new Afghanistan war strategy, re-start Mid-East peace talks, reform student loan program. reverse stem cell research policy, ban torture, nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia.

I could go on for a while longer, but perhaps the above is enough to counter your claim that there is not many "so ons".

And remember, all that in 19 months.

The above are facts based on which, no doubt, you would call me an "Obama loyalist". But that is just a cheap debating trick, a logical fallacy. You a priori paint your opponent as biased, then reject all arguments as biased.
I could play the same game and call you an Obama hater, but I won't.

Now, how do you judge the performance of a President? Of course, you compare it to the performance of other modern Presidents. You want to do that? Go ahead, compare the above partial list to accomplishments of any other President in 19 months.

Do better politically? Yes, he could have done that by not taking on HCR and the Stimulus (which added to deficits). That would likely have saved some seats in the Congress. But is that what we want? Inaction or bad policies just so Dems stay in power? To do what?
Sergeant
Dress Right
03:52 PM on 09/07/2010
It began long ago but recently he has diminished the office by being on "The View" and seeming to be more interested in vacations than the desperation of the people. While that may be harsh, it is nonetheless fact that he seems to be above the fray. Not really connected with the common man. He has two years to make it right but his lack of awareness of what to do is becoming more apparent.
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kemstone
Just another opinionated nobody.
03:31 PM on 09/07/2010
Obama's future legacy in five words:

"Didn't prevent second financial crisis."
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HappyBalance
People BEFORE Profits
03:01 PM on 09/07/2010
"And although they will not wipe out all that Obama achieved, they will cut and slice it, water it down, and then dilute it some more"

That will be interesting given how watered down so many of Obama "accomplishments" already are.
02:15 PM on 09/07/2010
Looks as if Obama's Messiah Complex is wearing-off !
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
03:18 PM on 09/07/2010
That seems to be the reflection of someone who wants to build him up to something that no one ever thought he was. It was the GOPers, after all, who tagged him as a messiah.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
01:59 PM on 09/07/2010
President Obama's apologists?

You mean people who see the mess we have and are supporting the president's efforts?

President Obama is a gracious human being.

I wish he would just be as disparaging as Bush was in one fashion, extreme partisan.

But had he been, I would have been against it just as I was while, Bush, Cheney and Rove decimated this nation.

These are the United States of America.

President Obama believes in these United States.

Unfortunately, those dividing this nation, Rush, Beck, 1300 hate merchants, Fox and MSM hardly get a back lash from the population.

So, If pres Obama's apologist is a bad name, I am willing to wear it with pride.

The echo noise is deafening for now, but come Nov, we shall do far much better than are currently being given credit.

Both houses would still be in control of Dems.

We are not going back.

GOPers had 8yrs of destruction.

19 months for repairing this nation is severely inadequate.

We are not going backward.
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guveqzero
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01:55 PM on 09/07/2010
We would be happy if our economy was as good as Japan. They have an economic engine that is still viable. The US engine, however, needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Policy makers dreaming of medical jobs, the only viable US industry besides farming, isn't going to revive our economy.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
11:39 AM on 09/07/2010
"I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president."

Well, he can't be a "really good one-term president" and it remains to be seen if he will be "mediocre two-term president". Of course, for some people he will always remain a "great president" just like for some Bush was a "great president".
11:38 AM on 09/07/2010
The President has had ample time to show who he really is. The polls are correctly reflecting who the President really is. The only question remaining is; Who is the Eugene McCarthy of the 2012 Democratic Primaries?
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lgillooly
11:30 AM on 09/07/2010
Obama, Dean and Rendell are the only 3 Democrats out there against all of talk radio, Fox and the GOP. Where the hell are the rest of the Democrats?
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HappyBalance
People BEFORE Profits
03:03 PM on 09/07/2010
They are really, really disillusioned by how Obama protected Wall Street, Health Care companies, Big Banks and Corporate America.

They are busy looking for real leadership elsewhere, thanks for asking.
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lgillooly
03:31 PM on 09/07/2010
I guess they think Boehner and Mconell will be better. Thanks for expaining.
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04:51 PM on 09/07/2010
You must examine the accuracy of the reasons and the realism of their expectations for which they are "disillusioned".
Some wanted single-payer healthcare system, which Obama never promised and for which there were, perhaps 5 votes in the Senate.
Was the Stimulus Act to protect Wall Street?
Is the end of pre-existing condition clause in the HCR bill to help healthcare companies? And if the whole HCR bill was to help healthcare companies, why were Republicans opposed to it? Aren't they pro-corporations?
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dfranz
With Liberty and Justice for all
11:27 AM on 09/07/2010
The Republicans wanted control and now are poised to get it but be careful what you wish for. The same people who accomplished nothing in 2 years and were responsible for the mess that happened during the Bush years are still here. And their ct will be on full display, right in time to get ready for the 2012 election. This gain may be short lived. Like Pepe LaPew you can paint your stripes but in the end your odor gives you up for the skunks you are.
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amaycatbaker
11:14 AM on 09/07/2010
Let the chess match begin. The President has been politicking, he seems to let people do things while he moves the pieces. A lot isn't seen by the public, and political theater doesn't get people voting all the time. It is just interesting to read and watch.
10:55 AM on 09/07/2010
Obama has been in office less than 2 years and his "legacy" is already being written. Is this the most dramatic fall in U.S.political history?
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Tena
11:06 AM on 09/07/2010
Boggles the mind, don't it?

My mind is so boggled now that politics is driving me crazy and I'm about to jettison everything that mattered to me in favor of ignoring the whole thing.

Basically, once the GOP takes back over I hope everyone with an axe to grind is happy again cause there will be plenty to complain about then.
11:25 AM on 09/07/2010
When did the Republicans lose control? Let me remind all of the remaining Obamabots that Bush got 2 of the biggest tax cuts in history while fighting 2 wars and he never had more than 54 Republican votes in the Senate. Obama can't get a public option which had a 70% approval rating with the general public or a medicare buy in at age 55 that had at least 55% approval rating with the general public and he has had up to 60 votes in the Senate. Who put Allan Simpson, Eskin Bowles, and Paul Ryan on the Deficit Commission so they can provide political cover for killing Social Security and Medicare? Who created this "cat food commission" after the congress refused to? With Obama as President and Pelosi and Reid as leaders the Republicans have been allowed to be in charge all along.
11:11 AM on 09/07/2010
No Reagan's first term fall was more dramatic as was Clinton's, at this point both were in the 30's in terms of approval rating. Obama is still for now in the 40's even in Rasmussen's polls.
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hstdem
In search of the 4th Estate
11:27 AM on 09/07/2010
Really? Were we in two wars during Reagan's or Clinton's administrations? Were Americans attacking other Americans for being real or un-American? Did people doubt their US legitimacy or religious beliefs?

It isn't a drama- it's a tragedy.
RabidRightRebel
A moderate voice who rejects the rabid right
10:19 AM on 09/07/2010
If he keeps the same naive "lets placate the Republicans" attitude, Obama will be a "mediocre one-term president"!
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HappyBalance
People BEFORE Profits
08:14 AM on 09/09/2010
Yup he is well on this way.

I think the larger point though is that Obama is way more conservative then he portrayed himself in the campaign. I think many of the moves to the right were deliberately planned and not compromises to the Repubs.