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Do Class Systems Exist in the Dating World?

Posted: 06/13/2012 9:20 pm

I recently spent a Saturday morning strolling around a downtown market with an old friend. The sun was shining, familiar jokes had left a smile etched on my face and I just couldn't get over the deals I was seeing (three green peppers for a dollar?! No way). Life couldn't get any better.

We walked along the stalls, taking in the eccentric atmosphere, chatting about life. As conversations held by females in their mid-twenties sometimes do, our chat turned to dating. My friend, a dedicated medical school student who fits the type-A personality description to the fullest, started explaining about how she thought guys were intimidated by her. She informed me that her new resolution is to only date someone at her level of education or higher.

That statement made me drop the cantaloupe I was examining at a fruit stand.

I asked for some clarification. In her own roundabout way, she told me that she expected her partner to be at least a doctor (or, if she had to settle, maybe a lawyer). No one "underneath" her would really be able to understand her mind, let alone provide a suitable lifestyle. People with advanced degrees were smarter than those who just finished four years of college. Don't even get her started on a bottom of the barrel high school diploma.

I was absolutely floored. A red flag went off in my head as I asked myself a question. In 2012, does a class system exist in the dating world?

As she continued on about how her future wedding would only be involving two doctors, I started examining my own life. My parents are two of the smartest people I've ever met. They "only" have high school diplomas, but have prided themselves on continuing their educations in the real world well into their sixties. I thought about some of the people I went to college with. Even with a B.S. next to their names, I'm skeptical if they'll ever be able to balance their own checkbooks. Thoughts of Steve Jobs, a college dropout turned technology giant, popped into my head as I glanced around at people on iPhones. I sighed to myself, thinking about how staying inclusive to your perceived class was such an awful concept.

Until another thought popped into my mind. Through friends of friends, I had met a nice guy a few weeks earlier. He had a similar blue-collar upbringing. He enjoyed the same type of music and movies. And yes, he was attractive. He also worked in a factory after dropping out of college. After talking to him for a few weeks, I didn't see anything that would indicate a future together. I nervously asked myself if I was engaging in the class-exclusive mindset, just like the friend I had scoffed moments before?

After calming myself down, I realized that I didn't have class warfare on the brain. I have big plans for a career, he wants to settle down. I have a move to New York on my brain, his boots are firmly planted in the Midwest. As good of a guy as he was, we just didn't click. That's why things didn't pan out.

As I continued looping my way around the market place, I suddenly got sad for my friend. While class differences do exist, it's safe to say you're setting yourself up for an uninteresting world if you let them define your personal life. I hope that someday, she'll find a good guy who accepts her, loves her and supports her. Maybe he'll be a doctor, lawyer or politician. But not-so-secretly, I'm hoping her future hubby is a garbage man. In a world with so many other problems, thinking about what class your significant other belongs to should be the least of your worries.

 

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01:11 PM on 06/16/2012
As a female medical student....I can empathise with the girl in the article, but she's expressed badly. Yes, some men don't like women who are smarter than they are, but they're usually jerks anyway. Yes, it is important to be picky about who to date...time and youth is precious. I wouldn't date a 'loser' with whom I had no future with. I think it's important to empathise which traits are important. It's not purely focused on money and social status. A kind, genuine heart is important, ambition and motivation are important, things in common are important, raising children with the same core principles are important. I guess this naturally works itself out to mean a partner who is not so dissimilar to oneself in education and social standing. I think this is what the girl in the article means, I think Amy Hansen is a rather disloyal and judgemental friend.
TomP100
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06:33 PM on 06/15/2012
I actually pity the friend. She is shutting herself out to a world of wonderful, interesting people, some of whom could make her very happy. All because she sees the world through the lense of class and status. She doesn't look at the world and see people for who they are, she looks at the world and sees lots of people she has convinced herself she is better than. It's not only sad, it's delusional as well.
03:58 PM on 06/15/2012
As young women become more professionally successful and educated, less men feel they can compete with them. It may be that men don't want to date more successful women because it makes them feel insecure, it may be that women still expect men to be more successful than themselves even though they've raised the bar higher. It's probably a mixture of both.

It needs experience and maturity for both men and women to work out what kind of partner is best suitable to them. Amongst the educated, young, professional, city crowd, I imagine a relationship between equals is probably best.
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Kellybelle22
Medicine. Marriage. Motherhood.
12:04 AM on 06/15/2012
The men I know and work with generally want to marry women who are on an equal footing socially, educationally and financially. Above all, they want to marry women who understand their jobs and the demands they present, which is why there are so many dual-MD marriages. Very few people who're not in the medical biz understand exactly what that entails. I'm not at all sure this is as much about class attraction as it is about understanding and empathy.
11:23 AM on 06/15/2012
Do you think a man of even below-average intelligence is going to tell you something else? Seriously, men long ago learned what thoughts to give voice to and which to keep private. If I'm having any dog-like thoughts, the women at work will never know it. No man is going to admit to female co-workers if he looks at women in any way other than what's been deemed correct by today's standards.
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Kellybelle22
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03:49 PM on 06/15/2012
Liven, I work with physicians. I'm not sure you're aware of how they think, work or choose life partners. And below-average intelligence is not an issue with them. Thanks, though.
overcat
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06:54 PM on 06/14/2012
Most people I know who are intelligent, happy, decent, reasonable and successful in both their career and their life DON'T share a common trait - their level of degreed education.

The number of idiots I've dealt with in my life who hold doctorate degrees far outstrips the number of geniuses I know who never even finished college.
01:58 PM on 06/14/2012
Women are the most shallow of the genders. A man will happily date a women who makes minimum wage if he is attracted to her. The opposite is difficult to imagine happening.
07:06 PM on 06/14/2012
That's not really the reason. It's just more socially acceptable for men to be the more successful and main breadwinner. The opposite could make the woman seem controlling or the man effeminate.
08:26 PM on 06/14/2012
Being controlling is a masculine trait, biologically very repulsive to a man; like stepping in poo.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:23 PM on 06/14/2012
Society doesn't count; it's whether the woman is controlling or not that counts.
03:55 PM on 06/29/2012
Again, who are the enforcers of social norms? Woman are the social police. Once again proving my point.
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Lupis Noctum
Reality is not democratic.
01:45 PM on 06/14/2012
Next up: "Do Oreos Have White Stuff In The Middle?"
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
04:18 PM on 06/14/2012
There's pink at Valentines' day, green on St. Pat's.
11:16 AM on 06/14/2012
It's true that a lot of women think this way (my own roommate often describes how her ideal guy needs to have a degree- high school diploma will not do, not just her qualifications but what she feels would be acceptable by her parents' standards). However I've also dated a guy who had similar criteria (we met online) and he admitted to me that he only was interested in meeting women who had masters degrees (he was studying for one himself). He felt that filtered out a lot of people who only get degrees to appease parents/live the student lifestyle, and left behind people who had a passion for knowledge and wanted to pursue further education of their own accord (his views, not mine!). I thought it was snobbish at the time, and told him so. I'm sure he's not the only guy who thinks this way.
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03:09 PM on 06/14/2012
Maybe he just doesn't want to get hosed in the inevitable divorce down the road...
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11:02 AM on 06/14/2012
The statement "In her own roundabout way, she told me that she expected her partner to be at least a doctor (or, if she had to settle, maybe a lawyer)" troubles me. We are given no real indication of what was actually said, but rather, how the author interpreted it.

It is natural for people to have ideals, and being a "type A personality," I think it is perfectly normal for her "friend" to seek someone who shows commitment, ambition, a strong work ethic... all things that would be more prevalent in someone who is pursuing a higher level of education.

I also find it obnoxious of the author to recount her recent relationship only to prove that she isn't biased like her friend, she simply wanted different things than the man in question. "I have big plans for a career, he wants to settle down." Perhaps that is exactly how her friend feels and she finds that the majority of men she's dated who don't share her value of education have a harder time respecting her career ambitions.

I feel like this article was primarily written so the author to pat herself on the back and try to let us all know that she is the better person.
09:53 AM on 06/14/2012
Here's the problem for women, men don't look for the same qualities. We want women who are hot, you want a man that's smart, wealthy, and has high social status.

Sooo.. women who are smart, wealthy, and have high social status but who aren't that hot are totally &$*@ed when it comes to finding a mate.

Because no guy that high on the scale would settle for an ugly woman.
11:00 AM on 06/14/2012
So you are confirming guys are shallow?
12:20 PM on 06/14/2012
Shallow is just a pejorative term unattractive people use to blame others for their lack of success. Men like beauty, women like power. If you want to call that shallow, go ahead. But it won't make you any more attractive lol
12:46 PM on 06/14/2012
It's biological in nature.

Feminism cannot change biology no matter how hard it tries.

Men will primarily be attracted to the physical FIRST and THEN move on to other qualities.
04:29 PM on 06/14/2012
Its the nasty truth...but true none the less. If a man is smart, wealthy, great job, social standing he won't settle for a woman he deems less attractive, no matter how many degrees she has. He doesn't have to settle because he knows his "market value" in the dating world. He's always going to chose the hot women with a bachelors over an ugly woman with a PHD.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:25 PM on 06/14/2012
Because hot means willing.
09:46 AM on 06/14/2012
You didn't know about this? Women are hypergamous, they only ever date up.. which is why so many of them are so miserable lol

But as far as class for men? Yea, if you have good looks and money women will throw sex at you on the first date ;)
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11:34 AM on 06/14/2012
The looks last for only so long - If you are so shallow yourself, you need a similarly shallow person to find you appealing.
12:27 PM on 06/14/2012
Shallow is just a pejorative term used by unattractive people to blame others for their lack of success.

I'm young. I bang hot chicks all the time and they seem very happy about it. So I don't think I "need" to do anything you say lol
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08:43 AM on 06/14/2012
I'll admit it. I've held similar thoughts as the friend in the article. I'm a college educated woman with a career, just bought my first home...by myself, am a "mommy2one", maintain a healthy social life, etc etc. I've said before that I'd prefer a man "on my level". Although my standards aren't quite as high and rigid as the friend, I would like for someone to at least have a job and be capable of supporting himself. Nobody still living at home with mom. I've dated both ends of the spectrum in my short 27 years from the bum who I naively let live with me and convinced myself I was in a r'ship with (I was fresh out of high school and living on my own for the first time...lesson learned lol) to the educated and very financially stable. Ultimately it came down to attitude and personality. At this stage of my life, however, I have a very low level of patience with men (since, ya know, I'm currently trying to raise one) but I have seen other women end up with men on "their level", so I'm pretty sure there's some truth to it all whether we like to admit it or not.
11:03 AM on 06/14/2012
I would have to agree with the anecdote given as well, though the rigidness in re occupation and level of education is pretty silly. Im like you, though mid 30s, recently purchased home, no children and single but I also live in an area where there are not a high number of college grads and my experience in dating men who are not college grads (even ones who have had the same job for years, thus stability, etc) have not been all that positive, though again region definitely has something to do with it.

It has been my personal experience that the men I have dated who have never made it past high school, for whatever reasons, did not have much interest in expanding their knowledge post high school, and sorry, but I just cant get with stagnation.
01:38 PM on 06/14/2012
And that is perfectly okay.

You have to do what makes you happy.

Just don't go around shaming other people for doing the same thing.
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bikelady1
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08:29 AM on 06/14/2012
Know a number of woman like that. They only in the end wind up marring their doc or lawyer and divorcing after 2 years. Isn't vanity exciting?
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nolalily
08:15 AM on 06/14/2012
Likes are usually most compatible with likes. However, this girl sounds a little self-centered. Further, intelligence does not equate emotional understanding which is what her friend says she's looking for. I read a researched article a few years ago on what occupations house the most intelligent people. College professors and people with PhDs are the brightest followed by engineers. Doctors, oddly enough, were down the list quite a ways.
11:04 AM on 06/14/2012
Just because someone is school smart doesnt make them street smart or savvy. There is some joke out there about the scientist who didnt look both ways before crossing the street and was killed by a car. Sometimes genius like folk aint all that bright.
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catmagnet
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12:59 PM on 06/15/2012
True enough. Being a college professor's kid, I've seen a LOT of "Ivory Tower Syndrome" and it ain't pretty.

Thank goodness my dad's always been pretty down to earth and has a lot of common sense to go with his book smarts!
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D Pelletier
08:14 AM on 06/14/2012
I don't think number of degrees really are that important in this instance but you do want to find a mate that is at your intelligence level. Life gets frustrating when you can't discus current events, books, etc with your spouse because they can't follow your line of thinking. I also have recommended to my daughters to look for male companions a few years older than they are because especially in teens and 20s, males are at a lower level of maturity and some unfortunately never leave that stage. I have read about studies lately that say males are staying at the adolescent video playing frat boy partying stage further into their 20s ( long after college) then a decade or so ago.