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Andrew Gunther

Andrew Gunther

Posted: November 24, 2010 03:40 PM

Recently John Stossel of FOX Business Channel has aired a number of segments disparaging sustainable agriculture. His issues have included the use of herbicides and pesticides, grainfed vs. grassfed beef, genetically modified food and food safety. Is Stossel going out of his way to be outrageously provocative? To what end? And for whose benefit? Certainly we are not the only ones to condemn these reports as being inaccurate, unbalanced and biased, as the many comments to the reports attest.

Stossel would no doubt accuse me (as program director of Animal Welfare Approved) of being unrealistic and only supporting small scale farms. However, the reality is that to keep the planet healthy and fed we will need to employ a wide range of solutions. Sadly, the last 40 years of "big ag's" version of the solution has shown chronic failure in the form of antibiotic resistance, tainted water and some of the largest food recalls in history. Too bad Stossel doesn't recognize that we have to stop using the planet -- a finite resource -- as "big ag's" test tube.

Let's take a look at Stossel's grassfed versus grainfed beef segment. Determining which of these methods of production is "best" is a complicated matter involving animal welfare, human health and environmental outcomes. It is unfortunate that as with the other topics in his series, Stossel appears to have taken a rather close-minded and biased approach to a very complex subject.

In making the claim about grassfed meat that "there's no evidence it's better for the environment or better for you," Stossel relies heavily on the evidence of Dr. Jude Capper, Assistant Professor of Dairy Sciences in the Department of Animal Sciences at Washington State University. I have recently spent time with Dr. Capper and found her understanding of the greenhouse gas issue to be somewhat in harmony with my own. However, when it comes to solutions, our approaches are as different as night and day.

Dr. Capper states that a "whole-system approach" proves that intensive livestock systems -- in which meat or milk production is maximized per animal, per acre -- are less environmentally damaging than what she calls "inefficient" pasture or grass-based systems. Yet it is Dr. Capper who is not looking at the "whole system" -- or indeed the bigger picture we all face. In reality, the vast majority of scientists who are working on climate related issues contend that it is intensive agriculture -- with its heavy reliance on fossil fuels and other damaging environmental practices -- that is the real climate culprit. And in the face of the reality of climate change and ever-decreasing oil reserves, "business as usual" agriculture is just no longer an option.

One of the biggest problems is that any report which states that grassfed meat is less environmentally friendly than grainfed meat has ignored the environmental costs of all the inputs needed for the system. The true cost of feedlot beef has to consider the full environmental footprint caused by producing cattle feed -- all the way back to the destruction of vast tracts of rainforest in order to grow soy and corn fed to cattle confined to massive feedlots. This is before we start adding in the environmental pollution from feedlots and the greenhouse gas emissions from the stockpiled manure. On the side of grassfed beef, the positive influence of carbon sequestration that is specific to grazing grassfed animals must be considered.

Stossel sadly relied on only one source for his information on grassfed. He didn't take the time to understand both sides of the argument and, like a student with a poorly researched school paper, published his report without review or evidence. This lack of rigor appears to be the only way industrial agriculture and its mouthpieces can defend themselves.

Moving on to Stossel's report about herbicides and pesticides, here, too, he is off the mark. Atrazine is regularly found in water across the U.S. at levels above the designated "safe" maximum residue level. This pesticide has been banned in Europe for more than five years due to its toxicity and presence in water sources. I therefore wonder why Stossel feels we should subject America's children to this potentially dangerous chemical with no known antidote.

In 2002, two studies raised new concerns about the herbicide: one connecting extremely low levels of atrazine with sexual abnormalities in frogs, and another pointing to increased prostate cancer among workers at atrazine factories. Why do we have to keep using this when Syngenta (the manufacturer of atrazine) has an alternate product? Perhaps it's because atrazine is highly profitable so why worry that it makes people sick by polluting our water? As long as it has good shareholder return! Nice work, John, good to see you have the interests of the population at heart.

And finally, in Stossel's segment on genetically modified food, he takes a swipe at one of his guest's reference to the 2006 recall of spinach contaminated with E.coli. While debating the fine point of whether the spinach was from a field in organic conversion, Stossel ignored the 800 pound gorilla in the room: Where did the deadly E.coli O157:H7 pathogens come from in the first place? Certainly not organic spinach. Studies report that confinement feeding of grain to cattle and low dose antibiotics are the main culprits in the evolution of the E.coli O157:H7 at the core of the explosion in food poisoning outbreaks.

As disturbing as Stossel's lack of balanced reporting is, there is a real positive here. Clearly, someone has put huge sums of money and effort into trying to distort the truth. This tells those of us working with alternatives to the industrial agricultural model that we are making a difference and that our message is getting through. In the parlance of bomber pilots, you know you are near the target when the flak really starts to fly. Stossel's biased attacks should be a rallying cry to all of us to redouble our efforts... there's no stopping us now! We are getting the message out there and we will continue our rallying cry against "business as usual" agriculture.

 
Recently John Stossel of FOX Business Channel has aired a number of segments disparaging sustainable agriculture. His issues have included the use of herbicides and pesticides, ...
Recently John Stossel of FOX Business Channel has aired a number of segments disparaging sustainable agriculture. His issues have included the use of herbicides and pesticides, ...
 
 
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
03:09 PM on 11/27/2010
The link!

Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup used on genetically manipulated (GM) Roundup Ready crops is linked to human cell death, birth defects, cancer and miscarriages, says a report released at the European Parliament by an international group of scientists.

http://www.ausfoodnews.com.au/2010/10/06/gm-soy-linked-to-birth-defects-cancer-new-study.html

http://pub­s.acs.org/­doi/abs/10­.1021/tx10­01749
03:32 PM on 11/27/2010
OK so you before say two links show how bad GM was and yet again your link talks about glyphosate and/or atrazine. Let me know when you get your story straight.
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
05:07 PM on 11/27/2010
The story is simple GM only has a use if it partners or achieves a positive. Risk reward, help me out by letting us all know the risk reward here. GM in crop production is a package and every cause has an effect every action has a reaction.

Oh and by the way don't forget the research published into the changes in digestive systems attributed to GM product consumption!

All in all I wouldn't want to be part of a syndicate insuring GM against law suites. Maybe you have more money than I?
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SweetJudith
03:37 AM on 11/26/2010
I only have one thing to say, start living a cruelty free life and just go, "Vegan". Your soul will thank you and so will the animals.....
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
07:53 AM on 11/26/2010
Judith Vegan eating is an ethical choice you have chosen to make. The article covers the use of herbicides and pesticides as well as Genetic Modification which affects non meat protein food sources as well. Your lifestyle may not avoid those risks.

In this recent study GM Soy has been linked to Birth defects and cancer.

"At the European Parliament in Brussels where the report was presented[ii], Prof Carrasco said childhood cancer had increased by 300% and babies with birth defects by 400% during the past decade in parts of Argentina. GM RR soy is grown there to supply European and Australian farmers with cheap GM animal feed: "I suspect the toxicity classification of glyphosate is too low… in some cases this can be a powerful poison," he said.

The report also refers to studies that found: the uterus and ovaries of female rats fed GM RR soy showed changes; rabbits' kidney and heart enzyme functions were disturbed. An intergenerational study of hamsters fed GM soy found slower growth rates and higher mortality among pups, and widespread infertility in the third generation[iii]."

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx1001749
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Lance Manling
10:30 PM on 11/26/2010
This sound much like the same old anti-GM food talk that we have heard before.
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
10:43 PM on 11/25/2010
Here's your post GrumpyFarmer:

"The whole idea supposedly centers around methane production.
Cattle finished on grass live longer, grow slower, eat more
roughage, and the roughage produces more methane as a by
product of digestion. What nobody anywhere ever talks about is
the fact ruminants are nothing new, neither is eating grass,
why is it suddenly such a big issue? I suspect there is more
here related to a movement to get people to quit eating beef
period, regardless of how it is raised. You would have to be
a moron to think that animals grazing grass, often times native
grass that has been here forever, make a larger carbon
footprint than animals consuming feed that has been planted,
harvested, processed, and hauled to them."
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Ulla Kjarval
Grass-fed Beef Advocate
09:55 AM on 11/26/2010
I am glad you picked up the narrowness of the study. Is it only taking into account methane production and maybe not the the distances cattle are shipped and the energies required to grow and ship feed?
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
10:31 PM on 11/25/2010
"Stossel appears to have taken a rather close-minded and biased approach to a very complex subject."

Gunther, you are very biased yourself and go out of your way to proclaim everything in modern agriculture as bad.

And you dare complain about atarazine? ridculous. You try to prevent farmers from using a less harsh chemical called RoundUp that replaces atrazine. Round Up is safer than many pesticides used on ORGANIC farms. Ironic huh? It's even safer than ethyl aclohol (the stuff in beer). Look it up. Google the MSDSs of all these.

The obsolete, farm world you lefties promote would actually CONTRIBUTE MORE to global warming since more field work is needed by far compared to GM crops. The farm world you promote would create a 1930's dust bowl since you seem to love obsolete moldboard plows and cultivators. GM crops are helping to eliminate plowing thus much much less ersoion. Data has been presented on these posts many times, but you people do not have the open minds to admit modern methods may actually be good. Even the Amish now use GM crops.

And You fear GM crops? Why not transgenic medicines like GM insulin? Most insulin is GMO. Do you understand why farmers like me say people like you hypocrites?

I have never agreed with Stossel until this. Your biased antimodern ag stance makes defend him because you give him a gift. You people are just wrong about AgScience. Even Stossel can see it.
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
10:47 PM on 11/25/2010
Hey Hazel how about some science rather than a rant?
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
11:05 PM on 11/25/2010
I grant you your wish:

Here's data on traditional vs GM vs organic soybeans :http://www.soyconnection.com/pdf/9001_USB_CAST_V1r1May11.pdf

Note this study says organic soybeans CAN be done sucessfully. I present all sides as opposed to you.

RoundUp MSDS: http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/ag_products/pdf/labels_msds/rounduppro_con_msds.pdf

An Organic farm pesticide MSDS:
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/mp6KB003.pdf

Look at the "hazard classifications" of both. Roundup is SAFER!

Anymore wishes I can grant? I am at your service.

Oh....and why are your articles not rants? They sound like rants to me.
08:45 AM on 11/26/2010
Ummm.. atrazine IS nasty stuff! It’s banned in the EU? Glyphosate appears to have a more benign safety rating in comparison with other agrochemicals, such as atrazine. But there are emerging concerns about its widespread use, primarily associated with GM crops, including soil micronutrient lock up and potential birth defects. People are right to be concerned about ingesting chemicals. The bodies of EVERY reader are contaminated with organicholrinated pesticides or their breakdown products. There is little, if any, research on the so-called ‘cocktail effect’ of all these chemicals on our health, particularly on children. What about the explosion in allergies, asthma, cancers, falling fertility rates, and so on?

And why do you always assume that anyone who opposes GM crops is 'anti-science' or 'backward'?! I oppose GM in agriculture, for various reasons. I'm also using a computer. I don’t want to go back to the Dark Ages! And what exactly do you mean by “even the Amish”?!

You're missing the bigger picture: the GM agricultural system is not sustainable. It relies massively on fossil fuel based inputs, with huge environmental costs - both known and unknown. Let’s research alternatives that don’t (yes, I like science, too). Fellow farmer Joel Salatin wrote a great piece in Acres USA (Sept 2010) on the illusion of industrialized agriculture. Proponents of industrialized agriculture have “spewed pseudo-science to the world in order to maintain an illusion of accomplishment.” I'd recommend you read it: http://bit.ly/9nIPJy
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
08:02 PM on 11/25/2010
John Stossel is well known for starting with the result and forcing the findings to match. In case anyone does not know, he has reportedly had employees quit because they claimed that they were being asked to falsify their "research" in this way. He seems to have a particular fondness for minimizing the apparent impact of negative statistics (so that unless it is your family dying of cancer or your water ruined with toxins, you are relieved by him of guilt and worry).

The Internet delivers many thoughtful and legitimate refutations of much of his work. For instance, in his myth busting book, he allows that climate change might be happening, but that sea level rise will not approach the predicted ruinous extreme, because melting ice does not raise the level of the water in which it floats. For him to assume that all the experts have forgotten what they learned in grade school science makes one doubt Stossel's basic intelligence, if not his nefarious motivations. Of course it is actually the melting of land based ice sheets that actually threatens us.

The bottom line for me is that John Stossel has chosen to take the side opposite to our best interests, sometimes opposite the truth, so often that I can no longer bring myself to bother parsing his latest stories for fault. As far as I am concerned, he has forfeited too much credibility.
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Ozark Homesteader
http://ozarkhomesteader.wordpress.com
06:54 PM on 11/25/2010
Stossel's research, sadly, is often limited, as is his logic. Numerous scientific experiments have shown that pasture-raised animals are healthier themselves with less disease and therefore less likely to need antibiotics. They are also more meat and less fat, especially cholesterol. Finally, they have higher levels of omega-3 acids for us. They also do not live in toxic waste sites that pollute streams and rivers with dangerous run-off. And you're so right that the agricultural subsidies make feedlot animals cheaper--but only for the producer. The rest of us pay for the price for the multiple messes created by the current system.
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
02:16 PM on 11/25/2010
Thank you both for taking the time to reply. On today of all days, we must thank our family farmers for what they do and the nutritious food they produce.

Some great points, Ulla: every taxpayer indirectly helps “big ag” to spread its lies and deceit. “Big ag” has no controls and no boundaries, and causes untold damage to the planet from its feedlots and confinement operations. “Big ag” is responsible for devastating rainforests, polluting our water, and producing piles of manure that emit nitrous oxide – a GHG nearly 300 times more potent than CO2. Yet “big ag’s” is propped up around the globe by vast subsidies underwritten in various Agricultural Bills.

We must level the playing field and force those who are responsible to clean up the mess they’ve made. Then we’ll see the real cost of “cheap food”. Producing beef from marginal land presents the best opportunity for optimizing protein production, as well as locking atmospheric carbon in the soil. But for “big ag” that means losing control – something that will worry those executives with corporate jets and condos at risk. “Big ag” needs to recognize that feedlots and genetic engineering need massive maintenance to continue – possible, but not sustainable.

We need a seismic shift as has happened in other industries. We used to have lead in paint until we found out it was toxic. Ironically, it's our tax dollars that allow “big ag” to control politicians and block the immediate changes we need. Andrew
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Ozark Homesteader
http://ozarkhomesteader.wordpress.com
06:26 PM on 11/25/2010
We need a Constitutional amendment to remove citizenship status from corporations; that's the key to a saner, safer agricultural policy (and a whole bunch of other important things for the US).
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
10:52 PM on 11/25/2010
You thank family farmers? Really? At the same time you are trying to make the farms more labor intensive by eliminating GM crops. Do you get what i just said?

I can tell you there are very few farmers other than a few organic farmers and a few free range farmers who sell expensive meat who agree with your very antimodern agriculture/antiGM political agenda.

Keeps your thanks to yourself.
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Andrew Gunther
Keeping science real!
11:05 PM on 11/25/2010
Hazel not really in the spirit of the blog. You seem to be getting personal I thank the farmers who toil every day to feed me.

A number of whom are being given very short shrift by Big Ag. I fight to keep them farming and taking a larger slice of the pie. You seem to support the abusive system that is modern agriculture.

Why would you need GIPSA if the field was fair and level?
10:43 PM on 11/24/2010
Shame on John Stossel. He's become a Focks News toad, all the way. I think you must be right, they wouldn't be fussing and sputtering so much if they weren't feeling it, somehow -- whether just worried or noticing an actual drop in revenue. Keep up the good work!
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Ulla Kjarval
Grass-fed Beef Advocate
08:51 PM on 11/24/2010
Glad you got the chance to write a rebuttal. On our farm we finish our cattle on our farm using land that would otherwise be not used. Also, we are last working farm on our county highway. Her research does not account for the fact that cattle finished in our country is moved far distances from ranch, to backgrounder to feedlot to be finished. Also, the feed is transported long distances.
Each region has different characteristics so to paint a board brush makes little scientific sense to me. Agriculture is diverse and multi-faceted.

I agree, that this means we are having an impact if they are using so much effort to discredit grass-fed beef which only accounts for 1-2% of American beef.

Also, it is pretty ironic that John Stossel is advocating for feedlot beef being greener. Isn't he supposed to be a fiscal conservative? Grass-fed beef does not receive government subsidies like commodity beef!
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
10:35 PM on 11/25/2010
I hope your cattle aren't eating that evil corn silage and nongrass legumes like alfalfa hay in your New York winter.

They wouldn't be locally grown grass fed cattle if they are, correct?
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HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
10:40 PM on 11/25/2010
Oh....And yes I do realize corn is a grass, but it's not a politically correct grass appoved by lefties to be considered as acceptable for "grass fed" cattle