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Israel, Iran and Hitler: History's Lessons

Posted: 03/ 5/2012 3:25 pm

"The year is 1938 and Iran is Germany," Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly warned -- and is likely to warn again during his visit to Washington on Monday.

The Israeli prime minister is invoking the lessons of history to make the strongest possible case against Iran, even if that means deliberately overstating the putative equivalency between that country and Nazi Germany. With President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime steadily moving closer to acquiring nuclear weapons while continuing to encourage its followers to chant "Death to Israel," Netanyahu can hardly be blamed for taking those threats seriously.

But what are the real lessons of history -- and what do they tell us about how we need to conduct ourselves today?

On that score, there's strong supporting evidence for Netanyahu's broader point about the dangers of underestimating the threat from regimes spouting radical rhetoric, but less than convincing evidence that history offers a clear guide to what constitutes a sensible course of action.

Although it seems incredible now, many people initially saw Hitler as a bizarre, effeminate politician who would never be in a position to inflict real harm -- or, later, as a pragmatic leader we could deal with.

This was true not just of the British and French leaders who signed the infamous Munich Pact of 1938, which led to the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. As I point out in my new book Hitlerland: American Eyewitnesses to the Nazi Rise to Power, it was also true of many Americans who lived and worked in Germany.

Dorothy Thompson, America's most famous woman foreign correspondent of that era, interviewed Hitler in November 1931, fourteen months before he became chancellor. She entered the room expecting to meet the future dictator of Germany, but "in something less than fifty seconds I was quite sure I was not," she wrote. Struck by the "startling insignificance of the man" who is "inconsequent and voluble, ill-poised, insecure," she predicted: "If Hitler comes into power, he will smite only the weakest of his enemies."

German politicians often made the same mistake. Franz von Papen, the vice chancellor who helped engineer Hitler's appointment to the top job, told his friends: "We have hired Hitler" -- in other words, he would be easily manipulated.

In many cases, even German Jews refused to take Hitler seriously. Paul Drey, a Bavarian from a distinguished Bavarian Jewish family who worked for the U.S. Consulate in Munich, wrote off the Nazis' early successes as "a temporary madness," insisting that Germans were "too intelligent to be taken in by such scamps." Drey would die in Dachau.

To be sure, there were those who sensed Hitler's dangerous potential right from the start. Captain Truman Smith, a junior U.S. military attaché, first met the little known Nazi leader in 1922, immediately warning that he was "a marvelous demagogue" who could go far. And along with many of her journalistic and diplomatic colleagues, Thompson radically revised her view of Hitler as soon as he seized dictatorial powers.

Still, when it came to resisting Hitler's expansionist aims, there was plenty of disagreement. Perceptive journalists like William Shirer of CBS despaired that visitors from Paris, London and New York took at face value Hitler's protestations that his intentions were peaceful. "Peace?" he wrote in his diary in 1937. "Read Mein Kampf, brothers."

But most outsiders didn't read Mein Kampf, and even among those who did there was no consensus on whether its vitriolic attacks on Jews, democracy and bolshevism, along with Hitler's stated ambitions to conquer vast territories in the east, should be taken literally or viewed as merely a cynical electoral ploy.

All of which, Netanyahu argues, stands as proof that the greatest danger is to discount the new threats of our era. But 1938 has been invoked before as justification for military action, at times with tragic results. As President Lyndon Johnson escalated the war in Vietnam, he claimed that he was seeking to avert another Munich. To this day, the country is split over whether the ensuing loss of American lives and treasure was justified at any point or a disaster from start to finish.

It isn't easy to determine which situations demand the kind of forceful action to stop a potential aggressor that was so woefully lacking in the 1930s. Netanyahu is right that history teaches us that we ignore the fiery rhetoric of radical regimes at our own peril. Unfortunately, though, history -- especially the history of the Nazi era -- doesn't offer many immediate lessons beyond that.

It certainly doesn't tell us what we really want to know: whether we are making the same mistake today with Iran -- or is the situation so different that a bigger mistake would be to overreact.

 
"The year is 1938 and Iran is Germany," Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly warned -- and is likely to warn again during his visit to Washington on Monday. The Israeli prime minister is invoking the l...
"The year is 1938 and Iran is Germany," Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly warned -- and is likely to warn again during his visit to Washington on Monday. The Israeli prime minister is invoking the l...
 
 
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03:58 PM on 03/11/2012
When I young, there was a bully on my bus who routinely terrorized the smaller kids, myself included. Until the day I tapped him on the shoulder and sucker-punched him. I broke his nose and got suspended for starting a fight. I took him out of the bully-game.

Maybe I could have avoided discipline, had my parents argued the case that the bully had "started it" with his after-school terror program. My new fans on the bus could have coined the term “The Gottlieb Doctrine.”

Preemptive strikes are nothing new. The Japanese did it at Pearl Harbor, and the Israelis did it to Egyptians when they launched surprise air strikes in 1967 during the first hours of the Six-Day War. Right or wrong, Japan and Israel (and me, back in school) had our reasons.

So when Benjamin Netanyahu calls on lessons from war with Hitler to build his case that Ahmadinejad should be dealt a preemptive blow, he’s got a point. Had we chosen war over appeasement with Hitler, WWII may have ended before it caused 60 million deaths in 7 years (that’s 1000 souls an hour, every hour). Indeed, in the early 1930s, we took a wait-and-see approach while Hitler flouted the Versailles Treaty, massively rearmed, and began his war against the Jews. His intentions were well advertised with actions, speeches, and Mein Kampf. Netanyahu cannot be blamed for taking Iran seriously, and for thinking about parallels between 1938 and 2012.
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
02:08 PM on 03/06/2012
Def. Sec. Panetta: Iran is NOT building nuclear weapons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJy7MneOH1g

What's the next demand? Iran must stop teaching the periodic Table of Mendeljev in schools?
I mean... can't be too careful, can you?

And, shouldn't we have attacked for ex. Nepal or Iceland by now?

Because, well, it is perhaps not that they are trying to build nuclear weapons right now, but nobody assures us that they might not be willing to try to develop nuclear weapons related capabilities at any unknown point in the future, right?

Yes, Nepal and Iceland are bigger threats than we can imagine, and the world must not sit idly by.

What we are actually witnessing, is that History actually repeats itself, and that is the lesson to learn.

And the same people that sold us the invasion of a country in 2003 (well, I didn't buy it back then) that did nobody harm, with the argument that the final proof would come within 45 minutes in the form of a mushroom cloud over the USA are now trying to push their agenda for more War on another country that NEVER attacked anyone.
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Djay0252
17th Airborne..a tribute to my Father
10:43 AM on 03/06/2012
Go home Netanyahu. Americans do not need you OR your war
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01:33 PM on 03/06/2012
And neither do the British.
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Seawolf56
Truth should never be censored
09:01 PM on 03/06/2012
so very fanned!! X100000000000000000000000000000000000
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fgbouman
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06:14 AM on 03/06/2012
The analogy simply doesn't hold for many reasons. Perhaps the first an most important is that there is a line drawn in the sand: the development of a nuclear weapon. This is not only a complex and difficult thing to do, it can't be hidden. Furthermore, it is a weapon that once used has lost all of its usefulness. That is, the power of atomic weapons lies in the threat to use them, not in the using of them. Were Iran to actually get an atomic bomb and were then to use it, Iran would cease to exist. Does anyone think that the descendants of one of the world's greatest empires are suicidal? There's a lot of politics being played here, and most of it is not in Iran.
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:29 AM on 03/06/2012
Ehm, how about the little detail that Iran is not hellbent on committing genocide on an entire people or religious group?

I know there's a persistent lie going around that they are, but that's just that. A convenient and disingenuous lie.
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SaneUSA
American, Jew, Zionist.
01:17 AM on 03/07/2012
If they don't wish it, why do they say it?
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
02:30 PM on 03/06/2012
Iran launching a nuclear weapon from the own soil is unlikely (IMHO) for exactly the reasons you outlined.
But we should always keep in mind that Iran has been fighting a proxy war against Israel for years by funding Hamas and Hezbollah.
Israel has not retaliated against Iran for such attacks in the past. Might Iran assume that Israel would again decide not to retaliate if they cannot directly prove Iranian complicity?
That is a very difficult question to answer, but can't say I am surprised that Israel doesn't want to just sit back and hope for the best.
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Richard Pearce
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04:26 AM on 03/06/2012
There is a certain irony is that it is less of an overstatement to say 'it's 1938, and Israel is Germany', given that both states had expansionist policies over their borders (couched in the language of 'reclaiming' territory that in the distant past were part of state they see themselves as successors to, over the expressed wishes (and resistance) of its present legal inhabitants) ethnic based policies that discriminate against certain of their citizenry, ethnically cleansed refugees from its territory on its borders (that it is government policy to refuse to recognise the true nature of, that is, their own citizens), a heavily militaristic social structure (unless you've served, you face discrimination in everything from housing to employment), massive military, and a fine disdain for international law, than it is to say that a nation where Jews enjoy equal rights, the military is massively underfunded (at least by the standards of the region) and the most aggressive act it has done in anything but ancient history has been to take the war to those who have attacked them first.
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:22 AM on 03/06/2012
Exactly. F&f.

Try translating Zionist ideals and policies into German, and what you get is das Herrenvolk (The Chosen People) and Blut und Boden (Eretz Yisrail) and Heim ins Reich (Aliyah).

Sorry, there's no two ways about it. And I'm not even voicing an opinion pro or contra, just stating facts.

And no, I am no antisemite. I just believe that all humans and peoples are equal.
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SaneUSA
American, Jew, Zionist.
01:18 AM on 03/07/2012
"I am no antisemite"

LOL!
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03:04 AM on 03/06/2012
Funny... wasn't Bolshevism just as bad as Nazism? Even worse?
Who brought Bolshevism to Russia again?
06:06 AM on 03/06/2012
Bravo FF
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Seawolf56
Truth should never be censored
09:53 AM on 03/06/2012
shhhh they will call you names for telling the truth
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
02:42 PM on 03/06/2012
Just more "criticism of Israel's policies," Seawolf?
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02:59 AM on 03/06/2012
So how are we to describe actions like these?
"Israel opens dams, floods Gaza with untreated sewage"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5BKLH_5kM0&feature=player_embedded
Who is the REAL danger to its neighbors and the world?
01:57 AM on 03/06/2012
Here is what Haaretz says about Netanyahu's warmongering with Iran "In fact, Ahmadinejad's Iran is great for the settlements. The Islamic Republic does for the settlements what the settlements were never able to do for themselves: Convince Israelis that the settlements are an integral part of Israel..." - http://bit.ly/zdFtoW

The East\West guy must have his eyes on some land in the west bank - someone should check that!!
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:58 AM on 03/06/2012
For all practical intents & purposes the population in Gaza and the West bank *are* inhabitants of Israel. Only they're no-class citizens without any rights or status. That is what Ahmadinejad was referring to in his now infamous statement on ABC.
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Pearl Bay, Australia
01:44 AM on 03/06/2012
"With President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime ...continuing to encourage its followers to chant "Death to Israel,"

Rick Steves visited Iran to film a documentary on the country. Here is what he wrote about the "Death to.." slogan:

"As we were struggling to drive away in a horribly congested street, our guide made a telling aside. He declared, “Death to traffic.” Then he said, “Because we can do nothing about this traffic, we can all say ‘Death to Traffic’.”

Did he mean kill all those drivers that were in our way? Does Iran really mean death to the US and Israel? Or is it a mix of international road rage, fear, frustration — and the seductive clarity of a catchy slogan? This quirky cultural trait might be worth looking into and trying to understand.

All I’ve got to say is, “Death to hatred and militarism based on misunderstanding, fear and national pride.”

http://www.gonomad.com/reflections/0806/rick-steves-in-iran.html
08:58 AM on 03/06/2012
So the "students" who invaded the British embassy in Teheran were actually trying to tidy the place up....
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Richard Pearce
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10:07 AM on 03/06/2012
Actually they were Iranians that were tired of their government hosting an 'embassy' that took the position that Iranian property was actually the property of the British government. Not mentioned in the North American media were the issues of the embassy treating a public city park as part of its grounds, and the British government, after decades of fighting in international courts denying that it owed the people of Iran over a cancelled contract, finally admitting that it did owe them $650 million, but instead of paying it to the Iranian people, putting that money into British hands with the instructions that the 'independent' managers could not let a single cent of that money go to the people of Iran.
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:26 AM on 03/06/2012
Exactly. This is what 'lost in translation' is all about. You can translate things literally, but you'll never know what they mean exactly without speaking the language yourself, or having an intimate knowledge of the culture of the people who speak that language.

As probably fewer Americans than any people in the world speak a second language, how are they to know such 'subtleties'?
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proud military mother
01:30 AM on 03/06/2012
We have a right to defend ourselves says prime minister of Israel, be my guest but stop involing us.
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Pearl Bay, Australia
09:37 PM on 03/05/2012
Another repetition of the Big Lie:

" With President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime steadily moving closer to acquiring nuclear weapons"

What evidence does the author have that USA intelligence agencies don't have?
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Richard Pearce
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04:31 AM on 03/06/2012
He!!, what 'evidence' does even the US intelligence agencies have that would stand up to honest, reasonable scrutiny? So far, everything I've even heard a rumour about has been of the nature of unsubstantiated accusations from people with a motive to lie, and a track record of having done so about Iran, or something like the 'death panels' accusations about Obama's health care reform package.
09:11 PM on 03/05/2012
Antisemitism is a Western phenomena. Iranians do not hate Jews but they have a problem with Israel's policies they regard (right or wrong) as racist.
09:35 AM on 03/06/2012
f & f maxtacks . . . and the Palestinians have been paying for anti-semitism for decades . . .
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Seawolf56
Truth should never be censored
09:55 AM on 03/06/2012
true that, 25,000 jews live in Iran and choose to stay and not move to Israel... I wonder why?
01:39 PM on 03/07/2012
there were previously hundreds of thousands of them, I wonder where they went and why?
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07:59 PM on 03/05/2012
""The year is 1938 and Iran is Germany," Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly warned"

I think going by Bibi's stance, it seems he is clearly not looking into the mirror on daily basis, he should, perhaps he will be able to solve many of the questions plaguing him...
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Richard Pearce
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04:34 AM on 03/06/2012
Actually, it is more a case of him (and a lot of other Israeli and American leaders) looking in a mirror thatreflects the dark side of themselves, and proclaiming what they see to be in fact an image of Ahmadinejad or Khamenei.
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:33 AM on 03/06/2012
There's this little moustache missing ;)
07:40 PM on 03/05/2012
Concerning Vietnam, Mr Nagorski writes that "the country is split over whether the ensuing loss of American lives and treasure was justified at any point". So there is no split over whether the loss of 3 million Vietnamese lives was justified?
02:34 AM on 03/06/2012
The same as the Iraq war. The argument is always about 4500 US soldiers. Not that much about the Iraqis of course. I don't even think anybody knows how many have been killed.
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CapSen
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12:02 PM on 03/06/2012
Yep, we do know. Educated guess of The Lancet: 600,000, not just killed in military action, but dying due to causes relating to the invasion and ensuing chaos, also in public amenities, hospitals, etc.

Not that a lot of people seem to care. Somehow western lives are more valuable than non-western lives.
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03:13 AM on 03/06/2012
I'm surprised he even mentioned American lives. Only Israeli lives seem to matter in this day and age. Israel does have the right to defend itself remember - by attacking anyone and everyone it wants to.
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07:31 PM on 03/05/2012
I think the lesson of WWII is pretty clear. When somebody hates you, for whatever reason, if he threatens to kill you and he repeats it daily, like a mantra. The last thing you want him to get before taking him out are nuclear weapons.
It's akin to deranged man walking down the street with a loaded handgun. Israel is not going anywhere.
02:56 AM on 03/06/2012
Israel needs a HUGE mirror. No doubt. On the Real.
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robertstone1robert
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09:24 AM on 03/06/2012
You've obviously not been anywhere near the Middle East. You're obviously a hater and an anti-Semite. You disguise it by saying you're anti-Zionist. It's just a ploy. We know the truth. You're a firmly entrenched in ignorance is bliss. You go around rolling your head in ecstasy.
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10:03 AM on 03/06/2012
It will see what, that it lives in a dangerous neighborhood, that there are people who are trying to kill her and whom it tolerates, at her peril? What do you have to say, you hater?
You're going to tell anybody what's real? You wouldn't recognize truth if it bit you where your brains are, where the sun don't shine.
04:10 AM on 03/06/2012
"if he threatens to kill you and he repeats it daily,"

The only ones repeating it like a mantra is |$rae| and it's Z|0n|$t friends.... It's a well known fact Ahmadinejad was misquoted for PR purposes.
06:07 AM on 03/06/2012
x2 BG
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
11:36 AM on 03/06/2012
X3 f&f