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Flying Delta's Discriminatory Skies

Posted: 06/23/11 12:32 PM ET

File this one in the "hard to believe, but it's true" folder.

Delta Air Lines is currently working on adding Saudi Arabian Airlines to its SkyTeam of partnering companies, which already includes (amongst others) such foreign airlines as Aeroflot, AeroMexico, AirEuropa, Air France, Alitalia, China Southern, Kenya Airways, Korean Air, Vietnam Airlines. As a routine matter - and an obviously necessary one at that, any airline is required to comply with all applicable laws in every country in which it does business, and indeed to enforce those laws in granting passage to its customers on travel to those countries. Should a passenger arrive at his foreign destination without the proper documentation (such as a valid passport and visa), that passenger may not merely be denied entry but Delta itself may be fined or even, ultimately, forbidden from doing business there. Thus Delta (like other airlines) takes upon itself the responsibility of ensuring that every boarding passenger is in full compliance with the laws of the country of destination.

All that is well and good, except for one thing in this case: the Saudi Arabian government prohibits entry into the country for those who hold Israeli passports, those whose passports have an Israeli arrival or departure stamp, or those who were born in Israel. Delta's partnership with Saudi Arabian Airlines will thus put it in the unenviable position of respecting and enforcing these restrictions, and thus discriminating against anyone brazen enough to have traveled to or from Israel, whatever the occasion.

But if this isn't problematic enough for you, consider a few other implications. Saudi Arabia is, as is well-known, a country in which Islamic law is rigidly enforced, and there are a number of aspects of these laws which will now fall into Delta's purview to respect and enforce. Although you are permitted to practice your own religion privately there, the public practice of any religion other than Islam is illegal; this means you can bring a Bible into the country but you better not bring more than one, or any quantity of religious literature, lest you be thought to be proselytizing. Homosexual behavior and adultery are illegal and can carry the death penalty. And in general, women, think twice about traveling there: women visitors are required to be met by an appropriate male sponsor, if you are married to a Saudi man (even if you are an American citizen) you will require his explicit permission to leave the country, if you are unmarried you will require the permission of your father or male guardian, and if you have a child you will not be able to leave the country with him or her without the father's written agreement.

In this age of multiculturalism and relativism and tolerance, all that is well and good, perhaps; let the Saudis discriminate as they please. But what is troubling is that a large American corporation such as Delta, for the sake of its profits, would be willing to endorse these restrictions.

Think about what this means.

If you have been to Israel, Delta must now refuse you passage on flights to Saudi Arabia. They will have to pat you down and remove any excessive quantity of non-Muslim religious literature. You better not act too obviously gay, or express affection for your same-sex partner, lest you be removed from the plane. And, ladies, be sure to bring your permission slip from your guardian.

It's understandable that an airline must comply with the laws of the countries in which it does business.

But what is not understandable is that an airline would voluntarily choose to do business with countries which discriminate in the ways mentioned above - particularly when the laws of the country from which Delta does business in many contexts prohibit discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and gender.

 
 
 

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dbrett480
02:40 PM on 06/25/2011
It's interesting how any article that deals with the Middle East turns the Hpost comment board into a forum on why Israel is bad.
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
06:04 PM on 06/24/2011
Although the Saudis have (since 9-11) made token efforts to revise their repressive and discriminatory rules, prior to the 21st Century, Jews were not granted visas into Saudi Arabia, period. (Now about 5 a year manage to parade in--for photo ops.) The Saudis are the most repressive (wealthy) nation on the planet and in the top grouping for the title of for most repressive, et al.
The only way they keep the attention off themselves and their own disgraceful conduct is by (proverbially) throwing honey into their adversary (Israel) in hopes of keeping the proverbial insects off themselves.
If there were no Jews involved in the Palestine conflict, the Saudis and most of their national neighbors would have little if any concern for the events occurring in and around Jerusalem. As if Arab nations are generally so conscientious to their suffering neighbors. Ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is how a sort of alliance has developed (mainly in EU but also here) between Islamic fundamentalist groups and certain factions of leftist/feminist women.
04:17 PM on 06/24/2011
They want to offer options through Saudi Arabia and must follow the guidelines set forth by said Country. Simple as that. If you don't like it, dont fly there... or dont fly Delta.

If most Islamaphobic "Christian" Americans had it their way the reverse would be in effect for Arab countries to the United States.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
04:09 PM on 06/24/2011
The main plank of Saudi policy on the issue of the Palestine / Israeli issue remains the Arab Peace Initiative, first launched by King Abdullah, as the then Crown Prince, in 2002: Arab governments would offer "normal relations and the security of Israel in exchange for a full Israeli withdrawal from all occupied Arab lands, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, and the return of Palestinian refugees.

Israel doesn't want that. They want endless occupation of Palestine and full military and economic control from the river to the sea.
Now Israel supporters are complaining about poor diplomatic relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia and blaming Delta airlines instead of the Israeli government.

Too rich.
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
05:52 PM on 06/24/2011
No matter what the core subject of the article, it becomes about alleged Israeli crimes.
The Arab Peace Initiative falls into the proverbial category of the attacker who stabbed one, being kind and considerate enough to remove the knife from one's back.
The 5+ million Pal/Arabs who consider themselves "refugees" are really manufactured refugees. They exist as such, in the form of a 'proxy army' to agitate and ultimately upset Israel and for no other reason. Jerusalem has no business being anyone's capitol but Israel's. Those are the core issues. Israel is not budging and I say damn jiffy.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
06:32 PM on 06/24/2011
Enjoy your continuing boycotss.
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01:59 PM on 06/24/2011
To be consistent to those who are offended by Delta, should you boycott all companies doing business with Saudi Arabia?
03:02 PM on 06/24/2011
although the article isn't endorsing any particular behavior (such as a boycott), you raise a good point and question! Hilton, for example, maintains hotels in a couple of "muslim-only" areas in Saudi Arabia. So, Jews, Christians, others, don't bother trying to make a reservation there ... Is that any different from Delta's new choice? In both cases the companies themselves are taking on the responsibility to enforce these laws with respect to their customers....
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
04:44 PM on 06/24/2011
Delta don't enforce any laws.

They are obliged to follow them or stop trading.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
12:48 PM on 06/24/2011
Delta also shouldn't fly passengers into countries with homemade passports, out of date passports or passports from non-existent countries. If Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize Israel as a country then its passports are not valid there. Its not difficult.

More countries should boycott Israel until they end their brutal occupation, theft of land and apartheid.
01:08 PM on 06/24/2011
Thanks for your gratuitous attack on Israel. Saudi Arabia can do whatever it wants. But the point of THIS conversation is about Delta's choice to participate in this discrimination. And unless Delta wishes explicitly to endorse your anti-Israel ideology (in addition to the anti-gay, anti-all-other-religions, etc. ideology), it might think twice about merely following its profits.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
01:15 PM on 06/24/2011
Its not discrimination. Many countries don't recognize Israel and there are many other countries not recognized by many others. Saudi Arabia is not under any obligation to recognize any random country of your choosing.
Furthermore, it is not the responsibility of privately owned US companies to provide legitimacy to random countries around the world.

I support boycotts of Israel and will continue to do so until they end the occupation and their disgusting treatment of Palestinian civilians living under their occupation.
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BcemXAHA
אני כלום בלעדיהם
11:12 AM on 06/24/2011
Delta Charges $2,800 Baggage Fee to Soldiers Returning from Afghanistan

http://gawker.com/5809775/delta-charges-2800-baggage-fee-to-soldiers-returning-from-afghanistan
10:11 AM on 06/24/2011
This article is so intensely factually wrong and bizarre it could have been written by a Republican. Delta does not own SkyTeam or the other airlines in the partnership, SkyTeam is an industry alliance of many different airlines, ALL of which are partnering with SA in the same fashion.

This partnership makes absolutely zero changes to Delta's fly/no-fly policies. Saudi Arabia is one of a dozen middle eastern/near eastern countries that forbid entry to Israeli passports, such as Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and probably more, many of which are ALREADY SERVED by Skyteam airlines and the Israeli passport bans are alive and well in all of them.

Anyone traveling from, to or a citizen of Israel traveling on Delta airlines will see exactly NO changes to how they can travel on Delta. This isn't just a tempest in a teapot, it is grossly factually inerrant and borderline libelous(by implying a corporate policy of discrimination based on race).

I'd feel like I had egg on my face if I were editing at Huff and if I were Andrew Pessin I would be severely embarrassed this had my name on it as it stands.
11:56 AM on 06/24/2011
Thanks for your comment. None of your factual clarifications seem to change the main point of the article -- just because there are other countries which equally discriminate, or other airlines must also practice the discrimination on flights to those countries, doesn't exonerate Delta from its perfectly free business decision to participate. (If anything we should be glad that the Delta case is calling attention to the wider issue.) And I didn't mean to imply that Delta would practice this on all flights -- I thought the context made it clear that it was only on flights to those countries, but on re-reading I see how one might miss that -- so apologies re the unclarity on that point.
11:59 AM on 06/24/2011
derp. that should have read errant, not inerrant( my latent Flavianism coming to the fore, one supposes).
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Jradxit
Faithless morality over baseless faith
09:50 AM on 06/24/2011
Religious intolerance and discrimination, the buck never stops there.
08:18 AM on 06/24/2011
A little misleading there, Andrew. Let's say for a moment you are correct about Delta adhering to Saudi law. It would only apply for flights to Saudi Arabia. Delta is not going to deny me boarding for a flight from Houston to Atlanta because I've been to Israel or because I don't have a permission slip from my father. The seventh paragraph, however, makes it seem that this is precisely the case.
09:17 AM on 06/24/2011
I thought it was pretty clear in context that the reference was to Saudi travel, but if not -- sorry! thanks for the clarification.
12:15 PM on 06/24/2011
I understood what you meant, but I've learned that not everyone will.
10:12 PM on 06/23/2011
Hello, this is Susan E. with Delta Air Lines. I'd first like to make it clear that Delta and our global workforce do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion or gender. We would never create a policy that promoted discrimination. As a global airline, we provide transportation to a diverse group customers from countries throughout the world. We do so directly and through partnerships (we do not currently offer service into Saudi Arabia ourselves). Along with this, these countries have various laws and visa requirements that we are required to follow. If you would like to learn more about this issue, I encourage you to visit our blog: http://bit.ly/mcmdIs.
11:41 PM on 06/23/2011
So, Susan E, tell me; if I want to fly from Boston to Saudi Arabia on Delta airlines, and my passport has an Israeli visa, what happens?
09:00 AM on 06/25/2011
Susan E already answered that earlier:

"we do not currently offer service into Saudi Arabia ourselves"
hfpf
Wake up World.
12:27 AM on 06/24/2011
Hi Susan E. I suggest that when people stop flying Delta, because Delta can't recognize religious discrimination when it's staring them in the face, and have then lost all that revenue, there will be an adjustment made, and voila, no more flights to SA.

You should start looking for another job soon, before the reduction in force notices are sent out.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
01:59 PM on 06/24/2011
Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize Israel, but they do recognize Jews.

The Israel ban also applies to Israeli Arabs. So nice cup of fail for you there. It applies to Israeli Muslims. Enjoy another nice hot cup of fail. Yum.

Your argument seems to be falling apart.
09:01 AM on 06/25/2011
"no more flights to SA"

Umm, you might want to read Susan E's answer again. Specifically:

"we do not currently offer service into Saudi Arabia ourselves"
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rich3324
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08:47 PM on 06/23/2011
In a word, oil.
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french queen13
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08:29 PM on 06/23/2011
From what I've read about Delta, who'd want to fly with them if they could fly with pretty well anyone else?
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Cynthia Rays
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04:21 PM on 06/23/2011
Saudi Arabia discriminates against other religions and against women. This hasn't stopped the US government from doing a lot of business with the Saudis. Delta airlines also flies into Tel Aviv. If you are Iranian American, Arab American, especially Palestinian American, Delta is then responsible for the harassment possible of hours of your time in interrogation including possibly a strip search and being sent back where you came from without leaving the airport based solely upon country of origin or religion.
sudzy
educate the children
07:46 PM on 06/23/2011
Delta has added Saudi Arabian Airlines as a partner, not just a destination. The other airlines mentioned in the article do not have the same restrictions. I see this as problematic.
10:18 AM on 06/24/2011
All the airlines in SkyTeam as well as any airline serving Saudi Arabia or any one of a number of other countries in the region have EXACTLY the same responsibility to the laws of that country no matter how discriminatory. NONE of the airlines mentioned forbid travel by Israelis; only transporting them to and from countries where the laws forbid it. Delta has added NO such restrictions as the article mentions which did not ALREADY exist.
02:38 AM on 06/24/2011
Spot on !