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Andy Ostroy

Andy Ostroy

Posted: August 25, 2009 04:13 PM

Why Obama Must Fully Prosecute Bush's War Criminals


So now we know the CIA went even further than previously thought in interrogating and torturing terror suspects. This includes guns and power-drills pointed at heads; death threats against family members; and mock executions. Democrats are outraged, while hypocritical Republicans are claiming witch hunt.

This coming from a party that impeached a U.S president, Bill Clinton, on charges stemming from an adulterous affair. The same party that's now crying foul over a special war crimes investigation. It's good that right-wingers have their priorities straight, huh?

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As expected, the vicious GOP attack machine kicked into high gear Tuesday, tearing a familiar page from its lies and deception playbook. Right-wing radio's spinheads are literally whipping themselves into a mouth-frothing frenzy, claiming "the Obama administration is creating this CIA scandal to divert attention away from its problems" and how "all the left cares about is protecting the feelings of murderous terrorists" or that "liberals want to destroy our Democracy." This is the sort of reprehensible and irresponsible rhetoric we heard repeatedly during the Bush years. It's what Republicans do best, and Obama and the Democrats better get on the offensive or they'll end up having to relentlessly defend themselves from this hateful drivel, which would be a major distraction and undermine their entire agenda.

Obama and the Democrats will never succeed in the propaganda war if they simply meet lies with intelligent, rational response. They need to grab the controls and re-frame the debate rather than constantly play defense. And maybe they should even start spreading some lies of their own. Put Republicans on the defensive for a change. Its time to fight fire with fire. Why be swift-boated again? Have Democrats forgotten how the Rovians succeeding in making the war hero John Kerry look weak on national security while turning draft-dodging Bush and Cheney into John Wayne? Is there any doubt they'll exploit the CIA scandal, painting Democrats as unpatriotic in the process? Or that they'll take the recovering economy, and twist reality so that voters think that things are headed in the wrong direction? Just look how they've hijacked the health-care debate, spreading despicable lies about "death panels" and "pulling the plug on Grandma." History can so repeat itself.

Now let's address the issue of whether the CIA went beyond the call of duty in its interrogation techniques. Hindsight is indeed a luxury, and to be sure, the threats posed by non-uniformed, suicidal, murderous terrorist butchers are by far more frightening and harder to combat than our traditional enemies of the past. But that's again in the context of history. If we go back 65-70 years, when America battled the Nazis, Mussolini and the Japanese, or during the ensuing decades when the paranoid Communist Russian fear raged out of control, the United States military and intelligence apparatus managed to protect the nation while still abiding by international law.

Throughout modern U.S. history, each presidential administration viewed its then-enemy as the most dangerous and deadly. But what kind of nation will we become if we suddenly decide that the current enemy is the most deadly, and therefore we no longer must obey international law, the Geneva Conventions, FISA laws, the Constitution or our own rule of law? Where do we draw the line? Once the bar is reset for "acceptable" interrogation and torture, the playbook will be forever changed, and American soldiers' lives will be at stake. What happens to these brave servicemen and women when they are captured if we've committed illegal acts of torture all under the name of national security? What's to stop other armies from doing the same? And if so, what are we left with? When laws are no longer respected you have anarchy. Which is why President Obama must punish these Bush-era criminals under the fullest extent of the law. This isn't a presidential blowjob we're talking about here...


 
 
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anachoret
Bake the hall in the candle of her brain
01:25 AM on 08/26/2009
"Democrats are outraged, while hypocritical Republicans are claiming witch hunt."

Suppose they try explaining that during witch hunts, people who aren't witches, and have never practiced witch craft, are tortured with things like "simulated" drowning, until they confess to crimes that are fictional, or crimes they didn't commit. That no court, especially not one in a civilized country, would admit the "evidence" from a witch hunt, because it was illegally extracted and completely unreliable... Which is one of the problems we seem to be having in bringing the suspected terrorists to real trial.

Democrats won't be using torture to force confessions, or seeing if Republicans float... Or even simulating drowning with waterboards until they confess... You know, like the grand inquisitor of a witch hunt might.

The "witch hunt" isn't about to start, hopefully it's ending with a real, legal,investigation and trial... The way justice is supposed to happen. Hopefully, the witch hunt is over, and the law is back to see they don't ever happen here again.
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anachoret
Bake the hall in the candle of her brain
01:49 AM on 08/26/2009
Perhaps they could ask Sarah Palin, Republican vice Presidential candidate in 08, how she feels about "witch hunts?" What they really are, and if she would EVER promote them? Like, in Nigeria?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkViRp6W5oE&feature=related
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08:55 PM on 08/25/2009
I don't agree that progressives should ever descend to the nether regions of the Swiftboaters, tantalizing though that is to consider; with their paranoia and willingness to believe the craziest things, doing that would cause many of the far right to swim out to sea like lemmings. But otherwise this is an eloquent piece that is correct in every particular.
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Andy Ostroy
05:09 PM on 08/25/2009
This isn't about anything except obeying laws. I'm sorry, but ends don't justify means in a law-abiding society.
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ostrom808
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08:19 PM on 08/25/2009
Exactly the point. No other issues need be discussed.

Whether torture works/worked or not is not even a valid discussion to have. It is moot.

Torture is illegal. End of story. Those who did it, sanctioned, wrote the policy, deserve prosecution.

Simple issue really.

It is unfortunate that so many Americans are so simple that they cannot understand that.
04:30 PM on 08/25/2009
So we talked mean, threatened and scared terrorists and you have your panties in a knot? Time to mature and put your priorities where common sense dictates.
06:09 PM on 08/25/2009
What about the word "law", do you not understand. I'd like to see you trussed, hooded, and naked for hours and days with crazed individuals running around with guns and power drills and see how long you bowels stay tight. You're a coward of the first degree, talking like a hero.

You represent the worst of us in this nation. Carry it proudly.
06:42 PM on 08/25/2009
Another Barney Fife Conservative heard from.