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Andy Ostroy

Andy Ostroy

Posted: October 15, 2010 04:42 PM

"Muslims Killed Us On 9/11?"

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Once again, Fox's Bill O'Reilly has put his giant Republican foot in his blabbermouth. On ABC's The View Thursday O'Reilly, during a heated exchange with the ladies about the proposed Islamic Community Center two blocks from Ground Zero, spewed the sort of ignorant, race-baiting venom that's become all-too familiar among conservatives: "Muslims killed us on 9/11!" Moments later, the program's most reliably outspoken libs, Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, got up and angrily walked off the stage, only to appear minutes later after O'Reilly sucked it up and apologized, pathetically trying to rationalize and spin his racist garbage into something less offensive.


There's a reason why most Americans oppose the Center, as O'Reilly cited from a CNN poll. It's the same reason why a third of Americans believe President Obama is an illegal alien. It's because rabble-rousing lying racists like O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, in partnership with flame-stoking lying pols like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, dominate the media and control the message the right-wing vomits to its equally ignorant racist base.

So Muslims killed us on 9/11? Was it Jews who killed innocent New Yorkers in the Son of Sam murders in the 70's? Was it Blacks who killed 29 Atlanta children in the early 80's? Was it Christians who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City in 1995?

O'Reilly and his fear-mongering cohorts know very well what they're doing as they regurgitate their incendiary rhetoric to the masses. There's nothing like a little good old fashioned racist propaganda to scare the bejesus out of the blissfully unaware and bolster one's position. And for those despicable ignoramuses who oppose the building of the Islamic Community Center, that includes demonizing an entire religion.

 

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03:54 AM on 10/20/2010
So does this mean that Andy Ostroy will be writing about the left's unfair labeling of all Tea Partiers as racists and bigots? Nah... Probably just looking to earn a Political Correctness Badge to impress other hypocrite journalists.
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NY Guy
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him
08:59 AM on 10/19/2010
So Muslims killed us on 9/11? Was it Jews who killed innocent New Yorkers in the Son of Sam murders in the 70's? Was it Blacks who killed 29 Atlanta children in the early 80's? Was it Christians who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City in 1995?

You are not accounting for the fact that the terrorist' main reason for 911 was their Muslim religion. That was not the case with Son of Sam - killing in the name of the Jewish religion, or any of your other examples.
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keraz
The Road to Serfdom was paved Nov. 6, 2012
10:11 AM on 10/19/2010
Very good point, NY. The left seems to be in some kind of apologist mode where we are constantly trying to make nice with everyone. Muslim extremist could care less about our apologies. They want to kill us no matter what we say or do.

And Muslims did kill 3000 people on 9/11. They were an extreme sect of the religion but, never the less, they did carry out the terrorist attack on 9/11.
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intolleft
ObamaTAX...getting you shovel ready
08:26 AM on 10/19/2010
Other than the obvious fact that the whole View thing was staged, "Muslim" isn't a race and "Muslims" did attack us on 9/11 be it not ALL Muslims.
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kenhamlett
08:07 PM on 10/18/2010
I believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion. I know it quite politically correct on the HP to extol the virtues of Islam these days. But -- as with regard to the other major religions -- I would rather see Islam depicted fairly and accurately. Like almost all other religions, Islam is misogynistic, homophobic and intolerant of people from all other religions. In our ringing defenses of their freedom to practice their religion -- and I absolutely support that -- let us also not forget what religions have given us in the way of tolerance and freedom. That is to say, not much!
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zanzig
08:45 AM on 10/20/2010
Yes, I make it a practice to mock all delusional beliefs (religions) once a day. F&F
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Frank Bourne
The truth hurts.
05:54 PM on 10/18/2010
>>"So Muslims killed us on 9/11? Was it Jews who killed innocent New Yorkers in the Son of Sam murders in the 70's? Was it Blacks who killed 29 Atlanta children in the early 80's? Was it Christians who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City in 1995?"

Was it Christians who carried out the crusades?
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DrHas
03:05 AM on 10/19/2010
That doesn't mean today's Christians are responsible fr what happnd in the Crusades. Sheesh. When will this guilt by extension end.
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Gottlieb
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05:22 PM on 10/18/2010
No list of ethnic terrorist groups is complete with out the IRA, the Real IRA, The Continuity Irish Republican Army on the Irish Catholic side and the Irish Loyalist Terrorist Groups such as Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF), the Orange Volunteers (OV), and the Red Hand Defenders (RHD) on the Protestant side. All of these groups also oppose the current ceasefire. BO just wants to deflect attention from his personal failure to stop Irish terrorism.
03:50 PM on 10/18/2010
Muslims did kill Americans on 9/11. It wasn't ALL Muslims, but ALL of them WERE Muslim. And they did it in the name of their religion, sponsored by an extremist Muslim group bent on destroying the West. How is stating that racist?

Why does everyone feel they need to tippy-toe around Muslim feelings? A lot of them really hate us. So I am not supposed to say that out loud? Do you know how many people bash Christians on this web page? I'm sure there are people of every religion that hate Americans - but on 9/11 it was people specifically of the Muslim religion that carried out the act of killing over 3000 people, in the name of their religion.

And before you start in on me, I am not a religious person by any extent.
03:54 PM on 10/18/2010
And to clarify a further point, I know that not ALL Muslims hate us and the majority live side by side with other religions in peace every day. But the fact is they do have a large extremist faction to them. Why can't we discuss that without being labeled racist? And how does race come into play when discussing religion?
04:28 PM on 10/18/2010
Did you argue that Christians were killing us in Oklahoma, or that Christians are abusing our children in churches? Most likely, you did not. You might say "some extremist militia nuts" or "some bad priests", but you would not identify them by their religion, because you know that most Christians are good people, and to do so would imply that all Christians are terrorist perverts ready to do harm to us all.

All the people involved in the Oklahoma bombing and priest molestations are Christians, but when some people use these events to slam Christianity in general, they are called wackos and loons. However, when other people use the same argument against Muslims, suddenly it is a "valid point worth considering."

When an argument is applied to one religion/race, but another religion/race is given a pass for basically the exact same thing, that is racist.
04:42 PM on 10/18/2010
No I am absolutely not giving other religions a pass. The OKC argument is weak - that was done by two people targeting the IRS and not done in the name of their religion.

For your priest analogy - yes I would say that Catholic priests have been abusing children in their parishes. I would not say ALL Catholic priests abuse children, just like I wouldn't say ALL Muslims hate Westerners.

Next point?
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Andy Ostroy
05:56 PM on 10/18/2010
That's right, Java. Keep making that point until one day people like LDM finally get how their sweeping generalizations can be so offensive to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

And btw LDM, the 9/11 terrorists were also all Saudis. Your move....
03:07 PM on 10/18/2010
Uh, WFC, I think it's fair to say the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor because the Japanese nation had declared war on the U.S. I'm not sure the "nation of Muslim" has declared war on the U.S.
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ColoradoTaxpayer
If u didn't vote-you have no right to complain
01:10 PM on 10/19/2010
war was declared on us in 1979 and in 1996 & 98...go look it up. the fact that Clinton dismissed it doesn't negate the fact that Osama Bin Laden declared war on us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fataw%C4%81_of_Osama_bin_Laden

1996 fatwā
Bin Laden's 1996 fatwā is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places". It is a long piece, and complains of American activities in numerous countries. [4]
1998 Fatwa
The 1998 fatwā[2][5] reached al-Quds al-Arabi by fax, and was signed by five people, four of whom represented (or were said by the newspaper to represent) specific Islamist groups:

Osama bin Laden
Ayman al-Zawahiri, "emir of the Jihad Group in Egypt", probably meaning Islamic Jihad, now known as Egyptian Islamic Jihad
The signatories as a group were identified as the "World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders". This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere. It appeared in February 1998 and the embassy bombings followed in August.
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lgillooly
01:29 PM on 10/18/2010
Either outlaw HATE speech or reinstate the Fairness Doctrine or this crap will get more and more dangerous and eventually violent. We alrady have several cases of their listeners going beserk. What are we waiting for?
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Frank Bourne
The truth hurts.
05:57 PM on 10/18/2010
Yeah that's brilliant. Outlaw free expression! Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
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lgillooly
06:28 PM on 10/18/2010
Tell that to the 12 employees at the Tides foundation Beck is just freely expressing himself. If the police had not stopped one of his listeners who has stated he learned everything from Beck he was going to Tides to murder all of the employees and "start a revolution"
This is just 1 of multiple examples that has occurred over the last 2 yrs. If you can't recognize hate speech and connect the dots I can't help you, but just pray that you don't work for a company that one of these hateful commentators decides to demonize.
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modrocker
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12:04 PM on 10/18/2010
I'm still waiting for anyone in power to address the war games that were being operated by D. Rumsfeld's DofD on 9/11/2001. Planes off anywhere than where they were supposed to be and military people watching phantom planes attack us as part of a war game where airliners are being hijacked across North America. And on that very day 4 planes are hijacked and 3 crash into buildings. It's just too good to be true. And I doubt that it is. But we never hear the explanation because now those games are classified for national security reasons. I just want to hear why this amazing coincidence occurred.
01:30 AM on 10/18/2010
Racist? Since when was being a Muslim a race? Just for fun, do some research and find out what the largest Muslim country by population is. (hint: it's not an Arab country)
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11:59 PM on 10/17/2010
What is shocking to me is to have the current republicans alter my perceptions of President Shrub. I never in my life thought I would be praising the man for being tolerant and sensitive to minority groups, but compared to Republicans in 2010, Shrubsy was shockingly reasonable in at least his claims regarding islam. (if not his actual treatment of arab and other americans)
11:03 PM on 10/17/2010
Pretty sure it was said the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Bet no one back then was upset that they were not called "Japanese extremists".
12:01 AM on 10/18/2010
First of all, they were regulars in the Japanese Military. It is quite proper to say that the Japanese attacked when in fact, the Japanese military attacked. That's what what we mean when we say the Japanese attacked, we don't mean that the glee club made rude statements. Nor do we mean the Shinto attacked.

Second, they did get their own moniker.

Kamikaze.
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Frank Bourne
The truth hurts.
05:55 PM on 10/18/2010
Kamikazes did not attack Pearl Harbor.
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Leadsled
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12:03 AM on 10/18/2010
Pretty sure sane people understood that the Japanese GOVERNMENT attacked us. As Toby Ziegler nearly said in an episode of the west wing "I don't remember having to explain [to people] that our problem was with Mussolini and not with [the italians]".

Also "Japanese" means a national of the Empire of Japan narrowly or a member of the Japanese ethnicity more broadly. Muslim is a religion that includes people from most countries on earth of all political persuasions with absolutely nothing in common whatsoever beyond some degree of agreement on some common religious beliefs. To say "the Muslims attacked us on 9/11" you'd have to think that "the Buddhists attacked us on 12/7" was a reasonable claim, as was "the Protestants and Catholics declared war on us on 12/10" (referencing the German declaration of war on the 10th of December 1941).
01:38 AM on 10/18/2010
Both of your points are fair. My analogy was not the best, its just I'm tired of the PC police. OReilly went about it in the wrong manner( tone,attitude) in delivering his rant( for the lack of a better word). But his statement was still a fact, they were muslims. He should have used the word radical or extremist, that I admit. Joy and Whoopie( sorry but their names IMO just do not fit their uptight personalities) should have been a bit calmer and not blown up at him. Could have said to him (calmly) "hey Bill, maybe you should use radical in that sentence" , something like that. Unprofessional to walk off set.I just think a lot of libs are selective in their anger when it comes to religion. ( i'm not religious by the way).Hypothetically if it were Christians, whoops, I mean radical christians that committed 9-11 , I'd bet anything those two women would not defend a Christian church being built there. It seems that libs from what I observe have less respect for Christians than they do Muslims.Maybe because you can laugh at Christians without fear of retribution.Ask Theo Van Gogh what can happen if you make fun of muslims.
12:23 PM on 10/18/2010
Way to completely miss Toby's point in that ep of West Wing. He was making the same point WFC, and in some regards Bill O'Reilly, was making. We weren't careful about making sure we said that our problem was with Italian Leadership, our enemy was the Italians. Hence, we didn't need to explain that our problem was with Mussolini, not the Italian people.

True Statement: Muslims killed Americans on 9/11.

Are all Muslims responsible? Of course not. The above statement doesn't imply that they are. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that.
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marignymitch
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06:59 PM on 10/17/2010
Chritians killed babies in the OKC bombing.
06:18 PM on 10/17/2010
There's a problem with your irrational rant sir, it's based on a lie itself. What Mr. O'Reilly said is undeniably true. The 19 perpetrators of 9/11 were indeed Muslim. Not only that, they did the deed in the name of their faith. To state the truth is not racist regardless of how much you may not like it. And before you pull out the hackneyed Tim McVeigh analogy, he didn't commit his act in the name of Christianity. How is it that liberals find the truth offensive?
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Leadsled
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12:09 AM on 10/18/2010
Ok, so how about the IRA? Ulster Unionists paramilitaries?

Also you are wrong McVeigh justified his attacks based on a very particular brand of conservative conspiracy theory with very strong roots in particular extremist christian beliefs. Generally held by a minority of southern and midwestern white protestants. While that link was somewhat less direct than the extremist conspiracy theory interpretation of the Koran used by the bombers, it was no more real. Furthermore, it is the implication. Mr. Reilly's statements especially in the context of the current statements coming from his channel can only be interpreted as being generally "anti-muslim". There is no other reason to only call the bomber's "muslims". It would be like just calling the KKK "christian terrorists". While facially true, that hardly gives the full image nor does justice to all of the peaceful non-terrorist christians out there.
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Rimser
08:13 AM on 10/18/2010
Those 19 muslims represented an extreme fundamentalist sect. Not mainstream Islam. There's your truth. And lest we forget, they were Saudi. How come we aren't fighting Wahabism there?
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PLDgyrl
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12:22 PM on 10/18/2010
So your saying that everyone who is in thier sect and believes what their sect believes is Saudi??? Come on now!