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Is It Over Already? The Debate About Women and Work Lasted Less Than a Week

Posted: 04/17/2012 12:57 pm

Wow.

So many readers of my last blog post thought I was endorsing Rick Santorum, his policy prescriptions and all the anti-gay and anti-women statements he has made when I wrote that I'd miss him in the presidential contest.

Not at all.

As I wrote, I don't agree with his policy prescriptions, but I wish that we had people in both presidential campaigns who are forcing our country to confront the hard issues of how we raise our children and support our families at a time of growing single-parent households and growing childhood poverty.

Case in point: The inane media debate over who works harder -- stay-at-home mothers or mothers who work outside the home -- and the fact that less than a week later, it seems to be over.

Remember how this started: Mitt Romney deferred a question from the audience about women struggling in this economy, saying that his wife, Ann, has been hearing more from women than he has, creating the impression that as the Republican's likely presidential nominee, he didn't have an independent thought on the matter.

Hilary Rosen then stepped in and threw gasoline on the long-smoldering debate about the value of stay-at-home moms versus "working" mothers, by suggesting Ann Romney was hardly an expert on the issue. President Obama's response? All mothers should be respected and presidential spouses should be off limits (even when they are out there campaigning).

So, does this mean Romney and Obama are now debating what we should do to enable more women to stay at home? Are they debating how to better support women who must, or choose to, enter the workforce? Are they debating what we should do to provide greater economic security for women who still face a pay gap in our country?

No, no, and no.

They are trying to get away from these issues as fast as possible while their surrogates are out there talking about who values mothers more.

To be sure, President Obama has released a report on his accomplishments in supporting working women. And there are parts of it that do help women in their dual role as breadwinners and caregivers. The most significant are improved economic security through greater access to health insurance and increases in federal child care funding for more children and families.

But the report ignores a fundamental problem that our country is facing -- how we support low and middle income single mothers and married mothers who must work to provide income for their families while providing care for their children. Consider these three facts:

  • Twenty-four percent of children in the United States are raised in single-parent families. On international tests of reading, U.S. children in single-parent households score 23 points lower than their peers from two-parent families, even after accounting for socio-economic background. Yet other countries with similarly large populations of single-parent households, such as Chile, Switzerland, Portugal and Austria, don't see significant differences in the educational performance of children from single-parent and two-parent families.
  • Both parents work full time or more in more than half, or 51 percent, of all middle-income families, but have no access to subsidized child care offered to low-income families and little access to the type of workplace flexibility offered to professional mothers and fathers.
  • The majority of working single mothers -- 62 percent -- work in low-wage jobs, such as retail, service and administrative. These are the jobs that are least likely to provide time off for pregnancy and recovery from child birth, let alone paid sick days or paid family leave to care for an ill child.

So have President Obama and Mitt Romney offered up solutions to these problems?

Candidate Obama in 2008 suggested that he'd fight for paid sick days and paid family leave, but his list of accomplishments on workplace flexibility merely note that his administration wrote a report on the issue and hosted conversations around the country. More than conversations and reports, we need legislation and an insistence that we try to get in line with the rest of the developed world in offering paid family leave.

Also, we need to ensure that stay-at-home mothers receive credit toward Social Security so that they are not destitute in their senior years for staying out of the workforce to care for their family.

Mitt Romney? Well, he has said little other than he thinks low-income women should "learn the dignity of work" and that he'd support providing them with more child care support to do so.

The time has come to address these significant problems. Here's one approach: Kristen Rowe-Finkbeiner, co-founder of Moms-Rising, a group that fights for policies that help mothers and families, provides a great "to do" list for our Presidential candidates.

I have a few ideas for the presidential candidates, as well, summarized in a report released last week by the Center for American Progress endorsing a policy package that provides real support for both working mothers and stay-at-home mothers. With an accompanying report authored by my colleagues Heather Boushey and Sarah Jane Glynn, we recommend updating Social Security to include paid family leave to allow women to be out of the workforce for short periods of time to deal with the most pressing family issues, including the birth of a child, a seriously ill family member or a worker's own serious illness. And I recommend coupling this proposal with Social Security caregiving credits that would allow women to earn credits toward retirement security even while staying at home to care for their families. These policies truly value women's work, both in the home and in the labor force.

It's time to stop talking about who cares more about mothers and start putting policies in place that value women's work, no matter where it's carried out. That's going to help children derive the benefits of time and attention from their parents, far more than cynical debates that serve little purpose other than to score political points.

 

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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
02:31 PM on 04/18/2012
What debate? The Democrats said, "Women should be paid equally for equal work." The Republicans said, "Don't say anything mean about Mrs. Romney." That was the extent of the controversy.
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ritamary
12:30 PM on 04/18/2012
Politicians may want to stop debating the role of women in society, but we women won't forget the issue, especially on election day. The idea is ludicrous that Ann Romney is in any way similar to the average stay-at-home mom or American women in general. And Mitt gets information about women's issues from her?
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hang319
had to sell stock to live on in college
11:47 AM on 04/18/2012
The debate is over simply because one side of the debate wasn't sincere in its position -- it turned out to be a political birthday present.
10:44 AM on 04/18/2012
Well, if you want a pro-women agenda at the national level, you'd better get to work changing the face of Congress. It all starts there.

If you want anything at all to pass Congress that supports women, then there must be a Democratic majority in both houses, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Anything short of that, and any 'pro-woman' legislation that you might conceive of is dead on arrival.

Better get to work, huh?
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ritamary
12:36 PM on 04/18/2012
So true. Let's get rid of Darrell Issa in November. He is the member of congress who convened an all-male panel to testify to Congress on insurance coverage for contraception. See the website of his Democratic opponent, Jerry Tetalman.

jerryforcongress2012.com/
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noaxe397
08:29 AM on 04/18/2012
Of course the debate is over. The republicans have regained their footing and thanks to Hillary Rosen's clumsy comment have reframed the debate as an attack by secular liberals on motherhood.............Where are liberals now after the initial outrage over TV sonograms or the dis-ing of Sandra Fluke?............Where are the protsts in Texas (and I don't mean just local ones) over Rick Perry's gutting of HC for women and in Arizona over the recently passed bills that say, among other things, that life begins two weeks BEFORE conception?.......................It's as if liberals and Dems have these 12 gallon gas tanks that run out quickly and never get refilled and so the issues stall out and wind up sitting on the side of the road.
HopeWFaith
We the People
08:02 AM on 04/18/2012
The problem is, no one wants to sit down with the poor moms and discuss how to help them, from their perspective. If you did, you'd find they want to work, they want to support their children, they want safe and reliable child care, so that they can trust going to work is the best choice possible. Very few, using the grossest terms a Republican can muster about poor women, fit the negative picture which has been painted about them. Poor women want what every educated person wants. They want a better life, more choices for enriching their experiences, and they don't want to be stereotyped out of existence by a few rich white guys in suits, making it impossible for them to survive. They would like some really basic chances at education, training, and jobs for themselves and their children.

Yes, there will always be someone out there who just wants to suck the life force out of the tax payer, and won't want to do their part to improve their own life, but these are not the majority of the poor mothers or fathers out there. Not the majority at all.

Republicans have for many, many years tried to tie all poverty stricken people to their blind, ignorant stereotypes. It's time for that to stop.
10:46 AM on 04/18/2012
Well, ya gotta vote.

Claiming that 'it doesn't mattter' is a sure loss.
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William Blomberg
Lying is Never Patriotic
06:05 AM on 04/18/2012
I hope that this is just a hiccup and that the Democratic Party will continue to hammer the Republican Party about women's issues.

As far as Mrs Romney being a work-at-home mother, I am curious if she was in fact the sole participant in raising the children and running the household, or if she had staff to assist (butlers, nannies, cooks, etc). Also, having the amount of money available to her, as well as the benefits that go with it, would certainly make her much more able to handle child rearing issues much more easily then someone who is a single parent who is trying to work several jobs in order to keep food on the table and the kids treated medically (vision & dental included).

Instead of backpeddling when attacked by the right wing wind machine about what was said by Ms Rosen, the liberal/progressive left should of used that opening to find out exactly how much parenting Mrs Romney actually did do. (Really, I *am* curious as to this).
10:47 AM on 04/18/2012
Yep.
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ritamary
12:53 PM on 04/18/2012
I would bet a very large sum of money (if I had any money) that Ann Romney had nannies, maids and cooks to do all the real work. But supervising all those employees must have been very tough for her....

There was an article on Mitt in the February, 2012 Vanity Fair by Michael Kranish and Scott Helman. In passing it describes the experiences of a young, female former Romney family nanny. Mitt tried to intimidate her into giving up her new baby for adoption.
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William Blomberg
Lying is Never Patriotic
07:43 PM on 04/18/2012
Thank you, ritamary. I would of been surprised if they didn't have any such help (help that most moms don't have).
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
03:17 AM on 04/18/2012
"The Debate About Women and Work Lasted Less Than a Week"

You expected different?

This is a fair weather issue: Right now folks are happy to have a job at ANY pay rate.
11:57 PM on 04/17/2012
If exec pay is excluded, what's the wage gap between men and women?
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minto
you know what they say about opinions...
11:15 PM on 04/17/2012
I think that child care is one of the main problems in our country. My husband and I have had many days where a child was sick and we had to argue about who stayed home with them. Neither of us would loose our jobs over it like some parents I've known but if we both had something important going on at work, then we don't look dedicated if we miss the day because our child is sick. Both of us spent some time at home when the kids were little, which didn't help our careers, but what else do you do? Childcare costs so much, if you can even find one that you trust. I know that other countries have found solutions to this issue. Why are we afraid to even discuss it as a country?
12:33 AM on 04/18/2012
Yes, dependable child care is challenging even for ordinary times; but, you are right, our country certainly has no good system or policies to help when a child is sick. I must admit that I've spent many a day desperately rescheduling meetings in order to stay home and nurse my littlest one back to health. On those days, I often think about those workers who literally can't take a day off or cannot come in late when their child is ill. We need better policies to allow workers to take time off without being fired, but we also need to have better systems of back-up care to help all parents. As you note, first we must recognize it is a problem and work together to solve it. All the best, Ann O'Leary
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
03:18 AM on 04/18/2012
You point of one of the serious downsides to the nuclear family. Before WW2, there would have been extended family to help take care of each other.
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assatashakira
11:05 PM on 04/17/2012
Finally, some says it. Thank you. I can let loose the steam that's been building in my head.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
06:10 PM on 04/17/2012
Because the kerfluffle was a fabricated one.
Ann Romney thought she had received an early Birthday Gift (as if anyone knew it was her birthday and expected to offer her gifts).
There was never a sincere concern for the plight of mothers, stay at home, working or otherwise.
The Romneys are working very hard to be perceived as decent, caring, compassionate and reasonable people.
The only problem being that when you ARE decent, caring, compassionate and reasonable it shows - YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK AT IT.
President Obama is two times more likable than Mitt Romney.
Voters are not fools. We know sincerity when we see it, and we know phony when we see it, too.
10:50 AM on 04/18/2012
Your last two statements can't be true.

Else, how can so many Republicans ever get elected?
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ritamary
12:56 PM on 04/18/2012
Ha! Here's a clue. $$$$$$$$
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paulhunterjones
A new age Republican
05:46 PM on 04/17/2012
This post contains excellent analysis, relevant comparisons, and its main themes should be part of the presidential debate.

I understand that low and middle income single moms with children face unique problems. There is no need to argue the wisdom in helping these women, which would improve their lives and at the same time help their children.

Why not make this support non-gendered base? It does not make sense to exclude men from your proposals just because they are men. In fact the policy should be aimed at getting men to participate more in raising and caring for their children.

Hopefully you are not suggesting another layer of entitlement programs that rarely accomplish their goals but cost a small fortune.
09:39 PM on 04/17/2012
Thank you for your thoughtful response! Yes, I had framed this blog to respond to the "mothers debate," but I should have made clear that the proposals I put forward are gender-neutral. I very much agree with your comment--we need to do more to support men's roles in caring for and spending time with their children. All the best, Ann O'Leary
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Leadsled
Love-child of the ghosts of FDR and Napoleon
04:49 PM on 04/17/2012
You re-iterate false information. There is no "pay gap" between women and men. Women are paid entirely equally for equal work performed by equally qualified and experienced workers. The "pay gap" is accounted for entirely by different risk preferences and lifestyle preferences among men and women over the age of 30. This is evidenced probably most strongly by the number for those under the age of 30 where women make 7-17% more than men (depending on geographic area). It isn't 1980 anymore. I don't understand why all public commentators pressing for "women's this/that" don't seem to have realized what year it is.
06:39 PM on 04/17/2012
How is life in your fantasy world stating that pay is equal. I have worked and continue to work for over 45 years now in large companies and can tell you that pay is not equal. I usually only find out once I have left but have always made at least 20% more than the women who do the same thing have made. While I agree that the glass ceiling now has some cracks it is not shattered. What do you think the women at WalMarts case was and continues to be all about. You spew a lot of facts without any backup. Send the links
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Leadsled
Love-child of the ghosts of FDR and Napoleon
10:02 PM on 04/17/2012
Its the actual world I live in. Im talking statistics, not anecdotes.

If you found that out, you should be telling your female co-workers as that is illegal. If they have the same experience, qualifications and job position and they are not being paid equally, that's been illegal for decades and they have ever right to sue for the difference, plus interest over the years.

You spew equally many "facts" without backup. Do a google search for "young women paid more than men" it was an article in Time maybe 2 years ago that linked to the study. For the women being more risk averse and choosing flexibility over pay, once again google it, it isn't hard. These are things that are readily knowable and known for that matter by anyone who has a clue what they are talking about when it comes to pay issues. Check out basically any general cognitive psych book too.
12:44 PM on 04/18/2012
I would agree with you on the moral high ground aspect but not in the real world. I think pay should be equal and just because something is a law doesn't mean it is always adhered to. I only relayed what I found out after the fact and in no way am I going to go out and be a crusader for it. I am not messing with my upcoming pension's. Call me whatever you want but the last thing I need is to be tied up in lawsuits. Believe whatever you want to about equality
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assatashakira
11:10 PM on 04/17/2012
I feel the need to propose a counter-argument, but I feel a piece of my soul leave my body with each stroke on the keyboard.
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Leadsled
Love-child of the ghosts of FDR and Napoleon
09:08 AM on 04/18/2012
Then why bother posting at all if you arent going to engage in reasonable argumentation? Im perfectly open to being presented with evidence to dispute what I've seen before and am reporting here. What I have said is based on several readings of mine over the last few years, but I am fully open to being shown that those studies and books were either wrong or misinterpreted the data in some way.
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Carla van der Meer
in scientia opportunatis
03:47 PM on 04/17/2012
It seems that politicians would prefer to avoid human issues. I won't call them women's issues, because they effect everyone, and failure to deal with them will only ensure that they continue. Contrary to what many men believe, women do not want more, we merely want what is fair and the respect we deserve. That Romney would pass of his responsibility on these issues to his wife ,who is NOT running for office. Just because she happens to be a woman, doesn't mean she is qualified to speak for women. The fact that he would brush off the needs of half the populace so glibly should put an end to his political aspirations.
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assatashakira
11:12 PM on 04/17/2012
I stopped paying attention to their comment points when I realized each argument was used against equal pay and treatment for minorities, gays, anyone that isn't a WCSM.
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Carla van der Meer
in scientia opportunatis
11:21 PM on 04/17/2012
Granted they are hard to listen to, but I think that is part of the method to their madness. They know they are offensive, and they know that a lot of us will tune them out, but they and the faithful will continue believing exactly as they do. If we don't listen, they canpull the wool over our eyes.
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ritamary
01:03 PM on 04/18/2012
Yes, Romney passed off women's issues to his wife. But we are not supposed to criticize her despite her lack of any qualification to represent women? After all the trash talk about Michelle Obama? Over half of American voters are women. We will express our opinion in November.