Personally I'm so sick of the party of Bush that I would vote for a potted plant in this election if it had a (D) behind its name!
But please don't be taken in by the idea that ANY of the people currently running for President are actually telling you the truth about the problems we face in America or what we realistically need to do to begin to solve those problems. Obama came dangerously close the other night in the ABC debate while answering a question from Gibson about increasing the Social Security (payroll tax) witholding cutoff for people making more that $100K. He actually started to make the comment that "you don't get something for nothing" but fortunately Gibson interrupted him before he could finish the thought. I fear that most of us are unwilling or unable to make the sacrifices that will be needed no matter who the winner is in November. We have met the enemy and it is us.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. ...
Winston Churchill
Pennsylvania Democrats for McCain!
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Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania, but many Democratic primary voters say they'll vote for McCain in November.
So get ready for lots of chatter about this PA exit polling from Tuesday:
In a Clinton-McCain race, 11 percent of primary voters say they'd back McCain.
In an Obama-McCain race, 15 percent of primary voters say they'd back McCain.
The Times trumpets these McCain voters in today's article about the "bruising" of the Democratic Party -- though only in reference to Obama:
About 15 percent of Democratic voters said they would vote for Mr. McCain over Mr. Obama in a general election.
Curiously, the article does not provide the same comparison for Clinton. If it did, the data would sound something like:
About 11 percent of Democratic voters said they would vote for Mr. McCain over Ms. Clinton in a general election.
But even if you equal out the coverage, these numbers are probably overblown, anyway. As you can see below, this hypothetical "support" for McCain is mostly comprised of voters unhappy with a question about their candidate losing. For example, in the Clinton match-up, two out of every three McCain voters are current Obama supporters. It would be highly unusual for so many Democratic primary voters to actually back the GOP candidate. (How many Obama supporters do you know who would pull the lever for McCain?) Maybe emotions just run high when you waltz out of the voting booth and find a pollster. Voters are obviously divided in this campaign, but exit polling is no guarantee for what the electorate will do after months of an actual race against McCain.
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It's a shame we don't have a leader who can bring us all together. Oh wait . . . . . Isn't that what Obama's supposed to be able to do? How ironic. He's torn us apart.
Think again frustratedinohio, Senator Clinton has been at the nexus of the ripping apart of the Democratic party. She began it and she should be very pleased with the end result, because we all know, if she can't have it no one will. Not the behavior of a world leader if you ask me, more like the behavior of a five year old in kindergarten who has just been told no.
You are delusional. Just cross your fingers that Rev Wright will remain a man of conscious and not reveal his relationship with the Clintons. Bill didn't just pull his name out a hat and invite him to the White House.
Anyone that goes to a church that teaches BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY is not going to bring people together.
Interesting that the polls fail to realize that many of the young voters and black voters who are supporting Obama will stay home, or write in Obama or even vote for Ralph Nader rather than vote for Clinton. It seems like the pollsters are taking a lot of liberty to assure the Clintons that they will be able to get these folks out to vote in November.
If Hillary wins Obama should only give her as much support as the Clintons gave to Kerry and Gore.
If Nominee=Hillary then Write-In=Obama. I will not vote for her. If the U.S. needs another 4 years of Republican government to learn things must change, then so be it and let's get it over with. But I won't vote for one, not McCain and not Clinton either.
Your data is wrong because the networks had much different numbers.
69% of Obama supporters would vote for Clinton whereas only 53% of Clinton supporters woild vote for Obama. That is the exit data from PA . And it is consisent with other polls. In Massachusetts Obama is in a dead heat with McCain while Clinton whacks McCain. Massachusetts!
Electoral College scenarios should Clinton winning 290-330 electoral votes. Obama winning 240-260. You need 270 to win. The creative class is really kind of obtuse. You don't seem to understand working class people. You call us racists for voting for Clinton and never actually might consider that we prefer Clinton. You're arrogant just like Obama. Face it, the luster is off and the wheels are coming off which is why you are clinging to your math just like we cling to guns and religion.
I suppose there are SOME Democrats that will vote for McCain whatever their reasons. I belong to a huge group of a Republican voting block for the Democratic Nominee. We realize that the Bush administration has tainted the Republican brand and that we need to send a clear message to the Party to clean up its act. More overspending, more illegality, more war , more wasted war costs, more crony-ism, on and on in this horrible Republican administration. I want enough Democrats elected in all three branches so this immoral, illegal junta in power now can be marched in front of the Hague and tried as war criminals. That includes the entire bunch of criminals in this administration! Then we can see how he DOJ lawyer and his fellow criminals who approved those torture methods feel about justice.
"The creative class is really kind of obtuse. You don't seem to understand working class people. You call us racists for voting for Clinton and never actually might consider that we prefer Clinton. You are arrogant, just like Obama."
Unfortunately, we understand all too well the preferences of the group of people who gave us Bush, twice. I am not particulary wild about Obama myself, but fully realize that he is the best of a bad situation. Apparently "working class people" cannot figure out that much...again. Perhaps we need the total economic collapse that is on the horizon to get your demographic to understand that it is not all about foolhardy, anti-social toughness and who you want to have a beer with.
Not as many as Clinton supporters who will pull it for McCain. The problem with Obama supporters is you have no idea how many people Obama and his supporters have pissed off. They run in the millions.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1088709&format=text
http://www.bythefault.com/2008/04/23/clintons-supporters-hardening/
Well then, by your logic if Obama and Hillary shared the ticket 26% of Democrats would vote for McCain!
Clinton sees $3.5M bump after win
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080423/NATION/956430340/1001
How unfortunate.
Well she just has to do that another 5 times and she might be able to get out of the red.
Young, white male here.
Pulling lever for Clinton or McCain!
Go McCain! Hope he institutes the draft and draft you straight to Iraq young white man.
Or Iran, the way he's sounding.
Traitor.
Much as my father (a little to the right of Pat Buchanan) says he is going to hold his nose and vote for McCain in November, if Hillary somehow manages to get the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for her in November. To do anything else is absurd. Throwing your toys out of the pram and voting for McCain or staying home because "your" candidate didn't get the nomination is silly, imo, considering how close their policy positions are, and could truly be disastrous for the country if such intransigence and picque results in another four years of the same policies that have brought us to where we are today. Ask yourself this question, can America survive four more years of Bushco, neocon policies? I have serious doubts that it can. That is why I am voting Democrat in 2008, no matter which candidate is the eventual nominee.
" Throwing your toys out of the pram and voting McCain or staying home because "your" candidate didn't get the nomination is silly, imo, considering how close their policy positions are..."
As to your point: Clinton I ran as a liberal Dem and governed as a conservative Dem/liberal Republican. Clinton II stole Edwards' platform and routinely votes with the Republican caucus on the very issues that have brought us to "where we are today." What gives you the impression that her rhetoric trumps her actions? History would seem to prove otherwise. I wasn't complicit for the last eight years, I will not be complicit in the next Clinton Presidency.
I don't have the impression that her rhetoric will trump her actions. In fact, I strongly suspect that a Clinton presidency will mean at least four more years of special interests and lobbyists calling the shots. The difference, I don't strongly suspect that a McCain presidency will mean four more years of the same old same old, I KNOW that a McCain presidency will mean exactly that. I believe strongly that Barack Obama means what he says about trying to change the fundamental nature of the way things work in Washington, and that is one of the reasons I support his candidacy, but if the choice is between Clinton and McCain, I've got to go with the person who I'm not absolutely certain will maintain the status quo as opposed to the person who I AM absolutely certain WILL maintain it.
Simply not voting is not an option for me. It never has been.
"How could this have happened? Everyone I know voted for McGovern!" Clueless, upper class New Yorker movie critic Paulene Kael.
As a Obama supporter with Pennsylvania working class relatives who voted for Nixon in '72, the class divide in the DP is still there, lemme tell 'ya.
I'm an Obama supporter if he is NOT in the general election it will be tough for me to decide who to vote for. McCain and Hilary are both Hawkish who's idea of Foreign policy is war. I"m Not Anti war I'm anti stupidity and anyone who does not see war as a means of last resort will NOT get my vote. I dont care if they are democrat or republican or democrat masquerding as republican or maverick neocon masquerading as democrat. To me there is NO difference when it comes to Foreign Policy between Hilary and Mccain. As far as ecomonic difference between the two since I dont think that Hilary will be a strong president when it comes to passing economic policy that benefits people like me again there is no difference. Sadly if I vote for HIlary the only reason would be because she is biologically a woman and we havent had a woman president.
Carol
Democrats better remember- it is the US Supreme Court at stake in this election - and its not just abortion. A McCain victory and one retirement that is expected next year means a US Right Wing Nut Job Supreme Court. That alone is reason enough for me to vote Hillary if my guy gets the nomination stolen from him!
Thank you for that point george. There's a lot more at stake! Regardless of the Democratic nominee, I will vote for that nominee ( but fervently wish its Obama).
This process can often sound like an American Idol contest. We chose sides and, when our "idol" loses, we HATE the one who beat them. So, as a culture, it's time to GROW THE F*** UP!
The NEOCONS put pressure on Bill Clinton when he was president, yet he did not invade Iraq, he did have the Air Force fly in the no fly zones over Iraq and kept up the sanctions.
Hillary's vote would not have stopped the war Bush wanted and if Obama had been in the Senate at the time his vote would not have stopped it either. He would have considered public opinion just like Biden, Edwards, Dodd and every Senator who wanted to run for president. He was not in the Senate at the time, he was a local politician still.
There is no difference in foreign policy between the two parties, it is only the difference of stupid and smart. Morality in politics is another question.
I support Hillary but not because she is a woman. I believe she is capable and Obama will have 8years to grow some more and run again and be the first black president.
There is a big difference between McCain and Hillary, she stands for Democratic policies and he stands for nothing but tax cuts and war. Should be an easy choice, Hillary or Obama but no way McCain.
1) This is a fine example of McCain speaking what he believes is the truth. Yes, he is the most honest Senator we have.
Was he honest when he said the bush tax cuts offended him? Or is he honest when he said he wants to keep them in place.
Just needed to clear that up. McCain at one time may have been honest, but he's under the hood of the far right now, and that straight talk express has crashed and burned.
If I have to hold my nose and vote for Clinton, I'll do it. I wouldn't vote for a republican if you held a gun to my head. All those dems that say they would vote for mccain over the democratic candidate are just blustering. It's kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Grow up folks, be realistic.
These mean nothing at this early stage in the game. The number swill be completely different midway through the GE election. Right now there are a lot of hurt feeling among both hillary people and barack people. Time heals all wounds.
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