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Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania, but many Democratic primary voters say they'll vote for McCain in November.
So get ready for lots of chatter about this PA exit polling from Tuesday:
In a Clinton-McCain race, 11 percent of primary voters say they'd back McCain.
In an Obama-McCain race, 15 percent of primary voters say they'd back McCain.
The Times trumpets these McCain voters in today's article about the "bruising" of the Democratic Party -- though only in reference to Obama:
About 15 percent of Democratic voters said they would vote for Mr. McCain over Mr. Obama in a general election.
Curiously, the article does not provide the same comparison for Clinton. If it did, the data would sound something like:
About 11 percent of Democratic voters said they would vote for Mr. McCain over Ms. Clinton in a general election.
But even if you equal out the coverage, these numbers are probably overblown, anyway. As you can see below, this hypothetical "support" for McCain is mostly comprised of voters unhappy with a question about their candidate losing. For example, in the Clinton match-up, two out of every three McCain voters are current Obama supporters. It would be highly unusual for so many Democratic primary voters to actually back the GOP candidate. (How many Obama supporters do you know who would pull the lever for McCain?) Maybe emotions just run high when you waltz out of the voting booth and find a pollster. Voters are obviously divided in this campaign, but exit polling is no guarantee for what the electorate will do after months of an actual race against McCain.
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I like most young people I know will stay home.
Willie, as you grow older you will learn you can't always get your way. Life is a compromise. What would you gain to stay home?
Obama and Hillary stand for democratic values. Hillary has her personal qualities, she has a life of experience in in politics, Obama is young and less experienced. He would like to change Washington, but that is more than he or anyone else can handle. We need someone who can do the heavy lifting the next president will have to do whether it is Hillary or Obama. McCain has no intention to change anything, he does not even think about the problems, he just wants more tax cuts for his friends and more war and the presidency for himself.
Just think about it, it is YOUR future.
An you will get McBomb. Sometimes you just cannot get your choice! you have to chose another option and this will be the case for either the 2 Clintons or McLame Brain or Obama or McLame Brain, any democrat will be better than any republican who will follow the Bush regime. If necessary hold your nose and vote for one of the democrats! PLEASE
Good luck Willie. You, as a young person, have a lot more at stake than an ol lady like me. Too bad you choose to sit it out. I recommend that you have your tongue removed to keep from bitching after your new president does something that affects you personally. You'll give away the right to speak. What a pity.
That isn't an option. That is just stupid.
I don't like Hillary - at all - but will vote for her in November should she become the nominee. Obama is not perfect, but he's really the best choice this time around. I hope that Obama secures the nomination, but I won't be a spoiled brat and stay home just because my preferred candidate didn't win the nomination.
By staying at home and not voting for the Democratic nominee, you are in fact voting FOR McCain.
Clinton can't win the nomination unless the superdelegates take it away from the candidate (Obama) who's leading in pledged delegates and the admittedly hard-to-define "popular vote." If that were to happen, a lot of unhappy people--black, young, or activist--might not vote for McCain, but they could easily abstain from the presidential vote in the general election, and the net result would be McCain as president and a shattered Democratic Party.
This is exactly what would happen. Many of these voters are voting for the first time or in a long time because they want their government to change. They do not view Clinton or McCain as change. Giving the nomination to Clinton will only feed cynicism. Cynics don’t usually make reliable voters.
I'm not entirely sure that a shattered Democratic Party would be such a bad thing. We have had little luck getting anything more than a Vichy Dem caucus in Congress to date what with all of the moderate Republicans running as Dems. Perhaps allowing or even aiding McCain in killing off the Republican Party and the DNC splitting away from the Blue caucus to form a new Republican Party would clear things up. We would no longer have all of these corporatists forcing us hold to our nose every single election.
It would be easy to stay at home if the Supers give it to Hillary IF Obama is leading in both the popular and delegate counts. I've lived with Bush for eight years. Four more won't matter.
Clinton=Mcshame. H is nothing but the nu lieberman.
It was Hillary who said that she would ask her supporters to back Obama if he is the nominee. Obama and his wife said they would have to think about it. Hillary is the "true Democrat". That being said, I think that more of Hillary's supporters would actually cast a vote for McCain. I think that Obama's first time voters would just stay home. When one has been casting a vote in every election for years, staying home is not an option for us. Obama has his followers behind him no matter what happens. If he expects to win the GE he needs to court the other half of the Democrats. It's not Hillary's job to deliver them to him. So far, the more he tries, the worse it gets.
Oh blow me. They did no such thing. Hillary needss to drop oput so the other (less than) half of Democrats can finally take the Hillary love goggles off.
I will hold my nose, close my eyes, and put a flag over her head and do it (vote for her) for my country if something happens and she wins by delegates and popular vote. If the superdelegates choose her, then I'm leaving the party. I would not be able to resolve it in my head how a "democrat" could be chosen any way besides those two factors.
Maybe you can vote for ralph Nader- that always works out well
Can and will. It would be nice to finally vote for the candidate of ones choice; call it 2000 delayed.
Well, don't chew your arm off. We have enough amputees these days because of Clinton's voting preferences.
The only people that will vote for McCain are those that believe that taxes should be lower, that America should be strong and safe, and that America is great because of the efforts of its people and not its government. Hey, that sounds pretty good. I guess I am voting for McCain.
Great: Are we still great? We make nothing losing another 3.5 million MFG jobs while the dollar is worth 60% less since BUSH was elected becuase of flooding the world with U.S. debt.
No one got a real tax cut. The Tax cut was financed by deficit spending, borrowing from Communist China such that in real constant dollars everyones networth is half of what it was before BUSH took office. The stock market in real constant dollars is half of what it was. We now pay taxes on unreal gains.. just curency translation gains... That in effect is the highest tax rate we have ever had, irrespective of a lower rate charged against monoply money phoney gains..
And about the Government
Regards
How great we are!
We are now 51st in literacy, MFG down from 33% of GDP to 6% in 30 years. In 1980 we were the largest Creditor nation in the world and after 8 years of Reagan ... the largest debtor nation in the world. Real wages have declined while executive pay increased 1200 percent. since 1980. Bush has accumulated more debt than all other presidents combined. And he is the only president to start out with a 350 Billion surplus!
Our healthcare is 3 times the rest of the industrial world and the only nation where 100% of the POP is not covered... Since 1980 up from 6% of the GDP to 18% of the GDP. 37th in healthcare. From 10th in distribution of wealth to 22nd. 22/23 in Science and math. Highest dropout rates and the greatest percent of population in jail in the world. Some states spend more on prisons than education now.
A crumbling infrasturcture and no funds to rebuild it, while we waste 1-3 trillion in Iraq which even 56% of enlisted men are now against per the Stars and Stripes and 70% of the poulation in total.
Negative saving for 3 years.. not seen since the great depression. Only 25% of our science graduates can find jobs in those fields , thanks to outsourcing to a dollar a day countries.
Regards.
The only people who will vote for McCAin are those too stupid to realize the government IS the people. Those who salivate whenever someone says tax break and then fail to realize the consequences of irresponsible tax breaks. And of course the arm chair hawks who think it's a swell idea to throw someone else's kid into a war zone.
In my 40+ years, I've noted that everyone who has referred to themselves as a "guru" is the person in the room with the absolute lowest IQ.
Of course, it gets a little more confusing when there is more than one of you folks in the room... but that actually makes it easier to recognize that it's time to get out of the room altogether.
THAT IS THE LAST 7.5 YEARS WORTH. HOW'S IT WORKING OUT FOR YOU. Go vote for McBush because you won't be safer, your taxes don't matter since the economy is so bad - the money you would get in your taxless world means your property taxes rise, gas taxes rise besides the fact that he will do nothing about oil dependency or energy and gas will still go over $4 per gallon and thus food is more expensive. But go ahead. At least in your mind you America is safe.
p.s. Osama bin Laden is winning the war on terror - he always said he wanted to hit us economically. By bringing the military into the middle east he has been able to do exactly what he wanted. He understood the neo-con philosophy and he was right.
I don't get the rationale. But, if Hillary gets the nomination, I'll vote third party. Hillary has flip flopped on nafta, the war and the bankruptcy bill. She has taken a stand on nothing. She has run a slimy and despicable campaign. But there is no way I'd vote McCain. Maybe a Hillary supporter can explain to me how McCain is closer to their views than Obama???? After all the Bush trashing for 8 years, they'll vote for Bush II????
Just shows why America is in the shape it's in. The stupidity of Americans.
A vote for a third party is a vote for McCain. If that is what you want another Bush admin is in the cards.
Maybe not this year - I'd vote third party if Clinton has the nomination and know several other people who would do the same....ac
If enough people vote for a third-party candidate, then perhaps we can break the two-party monopoly on Washington!
Besides, McCain is not Bush. And Hillary looks more and more like a Republican.
No. A vote for a 3rd party is a clear(er) message that we believe the candidates of status quo are not good enough. Plus, you don't know who the 3rd party options may be. Perot was a goofball, got about 20% of the popular vote, and bubba still won. There's no evidence to conclusively prove that a legitimate 3rd party candidate can not win the presidency.
Besides, every dollar clinton spends attacking Obama is a dollar spent on mccain. She knows this. You seem to care about keeping mccain out of the white house, but she clearly doesn't. So how can we look at ourselves in the mirror, knowing what we know about her character, and vote for her? How can we reward her? How can we have any faith in her to do right by us when she won't do right during her campaign?
I find it ironic that the genius hillary-homers focus on his electibility as their chief concern about Obama - and then many claim they won't vote for him? Nice self-fulfilling prophecy. He has done nothing beyond getting hit with low blow after low blow to elicit such response, whereas, on the other hand, hillary has run a hideously revolting campaign, embarrassing the party and herself in the process. I can't do it. And I won't apologize. The good news is that it will be over soon and hillary will be taking her leave, and I'll have an easy decision to make in November.
A vote for Clinton is a vote for a third term for Bush. She is a Republican.
The third party thing is definitely a mistake. No matter how much you may dislike the other candidate and their positions, there is one party that offers a headlong plunge into the abyss and another that, at its very worst, represents more of a controlled slide. I think you've got to go with the controlled slide.
Just to clarify though, mathematically speaking a third party vote is not the same as a vote for McCain. Mathematically, a third party vote is the same as staying home, only it allows you to kid yourself that your objection has been noted.
In the next election- not voting for the democratic nominee is the same as voting republican
Someone else pointed it out best on an unrelated post some time ago when he/she said 'Americans seem intent on voting against their own best interests'. This country is loaded with morons.
I'm an Obama supporter and voted for him yesterday in PA. (Oh so sad today.)
If Hillary wins the nomination, I'll be voting for McCain. Without a doubt. I think she's a phony with no real experience who's just going to divide this country even more.
Above everything else, I want a LEADER. Hillary's a second-guesser and a finger pointer, not a leader. That's why McCain will get my vote if she manages to get on the ticket.
why not just write in Bush for a third term
He wouldn't have to if Hillary is on the ballot. He could just vote for her.
sassy, that's not logical. Do you really think McCain would be a better president than Clinton? Your statements make me think two things: You're very young, and you're a sore loser.
If all you want is a LEADER then it must be that you are nothing but a FOLLOWER.
For the record I am also an Obama supporter but this is ridiculous, shouldn't there be at least one caveat to this statement like, umm, I don't know someone who isn't leading us straight over a cliff. We could learn a thing or two from the lemmings.
This is truly the blind leading the blind.
Peace
Don't worry, fellow Obama supporter.
I can't believe It! It's the Hilary derangement syndrome. McCain goes out of his way to say that his adinistration will be Bush 3 ,yet you supposed Bush haters would vote for him to spite Hilary , INSANE!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
YOU NEED A MAGNIFYING GLASS TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA AND CLINTON ON POLICY!
You're able to calmly observe the campaign conduct (words and actions) of the two candidates and simply conclude that they are the same because their policy is similar? If you can separate the content of their respective character and say it's a wash, that's just astounding. You'd have to believe that all of hillary's lying and all of bubba's self-serving lobbying for his rich-powerful friends is going to come to a screeching halt after years of gluttonous operation.
I know this is repetitive
its a lot of polls out there 19% of OBAMA supports say they will not vote for Hillary - 27% of Hillary supporters say they will not vote for OBAMA and 16 % of her supports say they will stay home so its both ways accept the fact OBAMA has a big problem among whites, hispanics and thats why he cannot carry the big states that will move the dem to the white house!!!!!
Five exclamation points. Thanks for making that clear.
Of the (ab)use of exclamation points, Jimmy Breslin once said, "No sense writing 'horse' under a picture of one."
That's the con propaganda I hearon right wing radio- sorry you bought into it
There's a lot of Primary and caucaus results that blow your theory out of the water.
The funny thing is it puts HRC in the strange position of claiming she is more electable, because her supporters are not as loyal to the party as Obama's.
Vote for HRC "She's a loser not a quitter"
(How many Obama supporters do you know who would pull the lever for McCain?
Well, speaking only for myself (white maile, Massachusetts), I gave $500 to McCain in 2000 and I've given $700 to Obama so far this year. I've never give a red cent to a Clinton and, indeed, the only Presidential election I have sat out was 1996. Will I vote for McCain this fall? Against Clinton, most probably. Either that or I'll vote libertarian or stay home. Hillary and Bill have now pushed this past the point of no return. History will ultimately record that they almost destroyed the Democratic party in their relentless and thoroughly personal ambition for power. (Bill, for his part, seems to be losing it as his white racist comments in Philadelphia suggested.
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Thanks for your reply, Bill -- serves me right for asking a rhetorical question. If you're willing, can you email me with your zip code, name and occupation so I can confirm your identity as a former McCain donor now backing Obama? -- amelber at hotmail.co
If Sen. Clinton smears and lies her way to a tainted nomination, obtained with a minority of elected delegates and possibly a minority of popular votes as well, it will be essential to the integrity, credibility, and long-term effectiveness of the Democratic Party that she lose the 2008 general election, thereby ridding the Party of her problems, at least nationally. Those loyal to the principles of the Democratic Party will see to it--and it won't take many. Therefore, the cost to the American people of a McCain administration now rests squarely in the hands of the Democratic Party leadership.
Sen. Clinton may have already sealed her own political fate, by virtue of her dirty campaign tactics and supermarket tabloid relationship to truth and so, sadly, may have already done for electing a black or woman President what she previously did for national health insurance: set the cause back twenty years.
Thank you, thank you for putting it so well. I'm a Pennsylvania Democrat. Hard as it is, still, to imagine that the Clintons can surmount reality to get the nomination, if they did I'd vote for McCain. The DLC's death grip on the Democratic Party has got to end. I'm thinking of it as an intervention.
A better intervention would be to write in either Nader or Edwards. Otherwise, how would the Party's number crunchers know that it was a protest vote?
All of you criticizing McCain should realize a couple of things:
1) This is a fine example of McCain speaking what he believes is the truth. Yes, he is the most honest Senator we have.
2) The other candidates (namely Clinton and Obama) who rail against NAFTA will not act against it if they are elected. The economies of the world are too closely tied. It is fine to imagine that things would improve for American workers if trade barriers were erected. Indeed, it has been tried before, at the beginning of the Great Depression. Guess what the result was? The other countries are not impotent, they retaliated by blocking American exports. That is why Obama's economic adviser reassures the Canadians that this is just electoral posturing and there is no real danger to trade agreements.
You may like Obama and think he will bring change, but a bit of realism and appreciation for honesty would do no harm.
jaynevada says
1) This is a fine example of McCain speaking what he believes is the truth. Yes, he is the most honest Senator we have.
The most honest Senator? Omigod, ...lol
Those that are against NAFTA don't understand it. Look at the unemployment rate during these "tough times" Please, they were never this low during Clinton's control and were actually more than 2 times higher when Carter was in charge.
The problem is not NAFTA, it is Mexico.
Screw up NAFTA and you will screw up your access to cheap and safe Canadian oil and natural gas.
Everyone agress that the unemployment numbers are not realistic for a variety fo reasons!
The labor participation rate.. those working and looking for work is a bout 5% lower than during the Clinton Years. So add that 5% to the 5% unemployment rate and you have a 10% unemployment rate.. just more of BUSH playing with numnbers.. see per BUSH, 5% more of the workforce is not looking for work/has given up! LOL..
We also have more illegal aliens in the workforce which when unemployed are not counted as unemployed.
We charge Mexico no tarrifs and they charge us 15%. We charge China 2.5 % tarriffs and they charge us 22.5% tarrif. These deals suck... we are idiots! Are major product to China.. scrap!
We got Canada oil and we had a trades urplus with both before NAFTA... now trade deficits..
NAFTA has not only been bad for l;abor, but for the dollar since our huge trade deficits are not sustainable and thus the devaulation of the dollar..
Regards
Ugh. Unemployment is low for one reason. People who were on unemployment ran out of benefits. The actual amount of unemployed is far greater than the government's statistics as they don't consider those people.
The problem is NAFTA and Mexico. We can still wheel and deal for cheap gas and oil from Canada without it.
Unemployment figures, like inflation figures, are deliberately kept low to make them appear better than they actually are. Last I heard, the number was more like 12% unemployment in the U.S.
McCain "is the most honest Senator we have."
What happened to "a bit of realism and appreciation for honesty"?
Keating 5. If he's the most honest Senator we have, we're all in trouble.
If it's Clinton and McCain,I'll stay home.I don't vote Republican.
staying home in the next election is the same thing as voting GOP
So is voting for Hillary.
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