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HuffPost and Freakonomics: The Hidden Side of Everything (Video Slideshow)

Posted: 04/23/2012 10:14 am

I'm delighted to announce that today HuffPost Business is presenting a video collaboration (freakoration?) with Stephen Dubner, author of Freakonomics and Super Freakonomics, both co-written with the economist Steven D. Levitt. Dubner embodies many of the qualities we value most at HuffPost, including humor, a willingness to challenge conventional wisdom, and a passion for starting conversations.

Our culture has a way of collectively falling into the groove of conventional wisdom, whether that means seeing everything through the outdated prism of left vs. right, or willfully blinding ourselves to unpleasant or inconvenient facts.

So, this series takes a counterintuitive approach to three very different topics. In his first video, Dubner questions the assumptions behind "locavore logic," the belief that buying food from local farms is better for the environment. Here's how he lays out the conventional argument: "If you buy most of your food from a nearby farm, or grow it yourself, you build a stronger food network, you reduce carbon emissions, and you get some fantastic tomatoes." But do you? Check out the video to see his surprising conclusions. As a locavore proponent, I'm not sure I agree with all of them, but that's the point -- discussion, dialogue, and debate (and fresh produce!).

In the next installment, Dubner asks a question sure to ruffle the feathers of a certain Washington, D.C. resident, of those who would like his job, and of the media establishment endlessly obsessing over his every move (to the exclusion of a lot of very worthy stories): how much does the President of the United States really matter? Here are some of Dubner's answers: On the economy? "The president's actual abilities are extremely limited." Education? "The president's more like a cheerleader than an agenda setter." Settling international conflicts? "Most presidents talk loudly and carry a small stick."

In the third video of the series, citing a study that finds people are more likely to die in the first week of the month than during any other time, Dubner says, "No matter who you are, where you live, or what you do, the first week of the month is the riskiest." Examining this unsettling trend, Dubner finds that its causes go beyond mere coincidence.

The videos, and Dubner's work in general, reinforce an important lesson. It's a lesson I first learned while studying economics at Cambridge and continue to relearn nearly every day: the forces influencing our economic life manifest themselves in many unexpected and surprising ways that challenge a lot of our economic theories. This leads to the second lesson: that conventional wisdom is often dead wrong. The problem is, of course, that assuming it's correct limits the range of our debate and what's considered possible. So, please enjoy the videos and join the conversation. And, as always, use the comments section to let us know what you think.

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12:11 PM on 05/20/2012
CO2 footprints are a pretty one-dimensional definition of what sustainable is. Conventional (crop and livestock) farming is guilty of erosion of topsoil, which permanently damages the land, and polluting the surrounding waters. Conventional farming also harms bees, grows monocultures (hurts soil, biodiversity) and breeds the nutrition out of veggies, endangers plant, bug and animal biodiversity in general, especially with pesticide use, and uses heavy chemical fertilizers like nitrogen that are just a vast simplification of what fertilizer should be and what makes a plant healthy. All these among other very bad environment things... and a lot of ethical problems surrounding labor and animal treatment.
Sooo I still think eating locally's better, especially if you're working with an organic, sustainable farm, and of course growing your own is even better than that.The dude also didn't go into detail about what dimensions of crop farming economies of scale apply to. Not enough evidence for me, and not enough numbers cited, not that he said anything incorrect. You just can't address this stuff in a 2-minute video, and de-bunking one facet of the locavore movement without contextualizing it is gonna do more harm than good for the organic movement.

Finally, I do think that there's inherent worth in being connected to the land you're living on by eating food grown on it. And I think it's worthwhile to strengthen local economies and social networks, not government subsidized industrial farms.
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Never-The-Less
06:51 PM on 04/24/2012
My ultimate concern is NOT C20, but healthy products and a sustainable system. What you should be focused on is stopping the human virus from growing in the first place. I know such ideas are blasphemous, but never the less true. There are many "holes" in your ideas: Quality of produce, if you think other countries, let alone other states, do as good of a job checking out how your food is produces, as compared to you checking out the grower, you are kidding yourself. Another huge issue is the idea of a nation like the US buying all of its, for example, coconuts from Peru. What does this do to the growers there? In Peru they will force out other types of indigenous plants to make room for more coconut trees...then what happens when coconut falls out of fashion, economic collapse of Peru. I could go on, but if your only goal it to reduce C02 emissions, there are far far better ways to do it then to discourage people not buying local.
12:26 AM on 04/25/2012
If that is not your concern, then that is not your concern. But some people's concern is CO2.

A way to reduce CO2 is a way to reduce CO2. There are pros and cons to any change in what we do regarding CO2. Those factors/concerns should be considered. Maybe attacking CO2 on multiple fronts is the best way.
12:38 PM on 04/26/2012
Having read most of the posts regarding the authors myopic world view, I was impressed by the wide range of observations and thoughtful responses. And, it's resoundingly clear that the issue is much more complex then the neatly packaged presentation offered by our hosts at Huffington Post.

Placing more importance on Carbon dioxide, or a mere handful of issues, is negligent and dangerous. However, I believe the point Never-The-Less is trying to make is that we need to place greater emphasis on the human costs.
05:49 PM on 04/24/2012
There is more than the CO2 emissions to consider when investing in locally grown food. I can't think that growing corn/soy/wheat/animal protein for big ag to disassemble and recombine into food stuffs with a long shelf life, frozen or not, that you find in the interior of the supermarket is good for you. It's a movement to eat uncomplicated fresh food, organically raised.
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gsfu
Our representatives have ceased to represent us.
03:09 PM on 04/24/2012
I get a lot of my produce by going to local pick your own farms. You should too. Last year I picked 8 pounds of raspberries and made one hell of a nice wine out of them. :)
02:11 PM on 04/24/2012
Stephen Dubner's presentation was "refreshing" to watch, and I hope he does more of these for the Huffington Post. He and Steven Levitt, one of the most award-winning "young economists" are a "team to be reckoned with", and their work together on Freakanomics will turn the tables on everything you thought about the "dismal science". I worked as an economist for NYC a number of years back, and I can tell you, given the things I had to study and research, could've put the kibosh on any "fire in the belly" of a young economist. But Steven Levitt, put that fire back in me, challenging the things I have taken for granted, but most of all, Dubner and Levitt make a wonderful team. Dubner, I might add, is a terrific writer (his credits are many) and his memoir, "Turbulent Souls", published a number of years back, was one of the things that made me buy "Freakanomics" in LAX as we were running for our plane at midnight. I recognized Dubner's name as co-author, and figured that I "had to have this book". Their sequel, "Super Freakanomics" is also a terrific (and fun!) read, and I hope that this "dynamic duo" will hold a magnifying glass to more "hidden sides" of "everything"! These books are not political in nature, and because of that, they are very "refreshing." The staid University of Chicago has "produced" are real fireball (or should I say fire-thrower?) in Levitt.
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Never-The-Less
06:57 PM on 04/24/2012
I do not agree, he presented his idea with out consideration for anything other than C20 emissions. Buying local is NOT about C20, its about investing in your community, its about healthier food, its about jobs, its about the WELLFARE OF ANIMALS! To attack buying local is ridiculous. If its about C20, why did he not consider the fact that when you do buy all those grapes from far away, well then they will have more money to buy more cars, over there, and so on...if its just about C20...
12:28 AM on 04/25/2012
He didn't attach buying local. He presented facts about its effect on CO2. Buy local all you want. For some people CO2 is a big reason to buy local. Now they can make a more informed decision.
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
11:13 PM on 04/24/2012
Creating a furor with bumper sticker throwaways is perhaps literally holding a magnifying glass to a subject, that is to say, looking at things with tunnel vision but not really with any attempt to do a comprehensive analysis.

I find this to be dangerous and misleading and the very essence of the "tyranny of small decisions."
03:18 AM on 04/25/2012
I think perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. I was speaking of the authors' work as a whole, and not just these "sound-bite" videos. The Freakanomics books are interesting and entertaining; remember, I stated that I bought the first book (Freakanomics) at the airport, for crying out loud. Think for a minute about what kinds of things airport bookstores sell. These books are not "pulp fiction", nor are they classic mysteries, or popular crime fiction. But they are entertaining, nevertheless. Are they the sort of thing you'd find on Fox News? I don't think so. And I don't think these two men are looking at things with "tunnel vision", either. Can't we all just have a little "fun" with it? I'm all in favor of locally-grown food; who doesn't want juicy nectarines in summer, or grapes, nuts, lettuce and spinach? I guess I just take that for granted since I live in California, where so much of our produce (and more) are grown in orchards, fields, vineyards and ranches right in-state. And yes, I do check labels of "origin". And all the citrus I consume is grown right in my backyard. So don't throw me lemons, please. I have enough on my tree(s).
02:02 PM on 04/24/2012
James McWiliiams, author of JUST FOOD, solved the dilemma years ago!
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chemguy
Liberal, but not Democrat
12:01 PM on 04/24/2012
Great! I can't wait to here more insights from guys who don't think global warming is real and think that campaign contributions don't affect election outcomes.
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Never-The-Less
06:57 PM on 04/24/2012
thank you!
12:31 AM on 04/25/2012
So if someone disagrees with you, they must by definition be wrong. How about judging what they have to say on any given topic on the merits of what they say on that topic? Or would you say ice cream must taste bad because these guys think ice cream tastes good?
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chemguy
Liberal, but not Democrat
10:50 AM on 04/25/2012
Strong claims require strong evidence. If someone (who is not an expert in a field), is makes an argument that goes against the consensus of 99% of actual experts in the field, they need to come up with more than one or two pages of sloppy statistics.
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GlennWatson
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11:50 AM on 04/24/2012
All these stories have already been done on NPR by the same guys.
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RobertHenryEller
a micro-bio hp can handle
09:32 AM on 04/24/2012
And while you're at it, how about if Mr. Dubner explains the economic value of the 99% to the 1%.

That would challenge some Republican National Conventional wisdom. And the stupidity of their admiring ignorant masses.
08:37 AM on 04/24/2012
The relative co emissions of locally-produced food versus long-haul food is nice, but it is not that important a reason to select one over the other. Quality, freshness, nutrition, and taste all trump it. The question is one of balance. Take co emissions into consideration, yes, but the focus on this aspect of food distribution is myopic. As to the point of AH's blog? The Freakonomics video is certainly food for thought.
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08:12 AM on 04/24/2012
Economists and politicians and most people follow the money without understanding what money really and necessarily is. Money is a medium of exchange, a very convenient one, but it loses it value when no attention is paid to the fairness, wisdom, practicality and usefulness of the exchanges. In other words, our economy rests on or topples from an intangible base, the fairness, wisdom, practicality and usefulness that is present or absent in the minds of all those who use money. We need to think deeper about who we are and what we are doing.
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
06:24 PM on 04/24/2012
Yup and they claim to often use objectivity but ultimately it relies on subjective things, aka 'investor sentiment' etc.
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EdRea
Trees are our native friends.
08:02 AM on 04/24/2012
I haven't watched any of the other Freakonomics videos other than 'Does Eating Local Hurt The Environment' -- although I plan on watching at least some the others. That said, I find large holes in the assertion that bringing produce from overseas or across the country as being more "environmental" than buying from a local farm. This largely has to do with the wholesale and distribution chain, but also includes other matters.

As someone who was in food distribution for twenty years, I am aware of whole extra 'levels' of transportation and storage of produce as it makes its way through the 'national' food system. Not to mention, that you can not directly compare the agricultural practices of large farm production to small farms to say that the large farm is more efficient in producing less carbon emissions, due to economy of scale. Different variables with different results for different purposes come into play. This alone shows not a break from conventional wisdom, rather a falling in line with "common sense" ways of thinking.

This may move me to research and write an article on the matter, a seriously important one. I'm concerned that people will take the logic of the Dubner's argument for granted based not on a full view of the matter. I'll be open-minded on the other videos -- but, not off to a good start with this one.
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Pearlswan
Born in Philly yet my heart's now in Frisco
12:17 PM on 04/24/2012
This one is indicative of all the others--a colossal waste of time. Things in real life don't simplify or isolate into just a one-factor circumstance so these videos are just food for thought, at best.
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
12:19 PM on 04/24/2012
I have a masters in economics and it makes me cringe. A large corporation isn't necessarily more efficient than a small farm, in fact its usually the converse -- where we get terms like "too big to fail" from. i am not that familiar with food corporations but I would venture to guess the good folk at Dole, Kraft, Kelloggs, etc would love it if you understand nothing more about economies of scale than what you learn in a 3 minute video.
showing a truck and saying 50 lbs of grapes is irresponsible. you can carry 50 lbs of grapes on a bicycle and no farmer in their right mind would travel 100 miles with just 50 lbs of grapes, especially with 4. a gallon gas, you would go home with less money than what you left with.
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Never-The-Less
07:04 PM on 04/24/2012
not to mention how those large businesses treat their workers, their animals, their land (in what type of fertilizers they use). This article angered me in its lack of insight into what buying local is really about.
12:34 AM on 04/25/2012
"i am not that familiar with food corporations" -nuff said.
lastpost
see biography
05:16 AM on 04/24/2012
"The Hidden Side of Everything"
Or, everything you wanted to watch on RTV and Al Jazeera, but the democracy were loath to permit?

"the qualities we value most at HuffPost"
hopefully include access to all forms of media.

"As a locavore"
would we be forced to swallow whatever is produced locally? As opposed to the generavore. Who samples the produce from as many sources as possible. The better to gauge quality and worth through comparison.

"discussion, dialogue, and debate"
disable, delude, end democracy.

"a question sure to ruffle the feathers"
Do you think the turkeys will raise an uproar, when they find out these channels have been blocked? Or will the newspapers that previously published Julian’s findings, but are now inexplicably rubbishing him, win them over to our cube-world view?

"The president's actual abilities are extremely limited."
Then no wonder the people’s democratic rights are being ridden over roughshod.

"The president's more like"
the primate, than the handle-driven wheeled piano’s actual operative.

"join the conversation"
by re-establishing downed communication channels through a medium.
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Sirlarek
∞-1
02:39 AM on 04/24/2012
Nothing better than a contrarian to dissect the living.
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smcguire
Work is the curse of the drinking classes.
11:43 PM on 04/23/2012
Arianna,

why is it so difficult to find coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan at your otherwise incredibly great website?