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Arianna Huffington

Posted: April 22, 2010 07:26 PM

Guns vs. Butter 2010

What's Your Reaction:

See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders?

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent.

Yet today, while America's economy sputters down the road to recovery and the middle class struggles to make ends meet -- with over 26 million people unemployed or underemployed and record numbers of homes being lost to foreclosure -- the "guns vs. butter" argument isn't even part of the national debate. Of course, today, the argument might be more accurately framed as "ICBM nukes, Predator drones, and missile defense shields vs. jobs, affordable college, decent schools, foreclosure prevention, and fixing the gaping holes in our social safety net."

We hear endless talk in Washington about belt-tightening and deficit reduction, but hardly a word about whether the $161 billion being spent this year to fight unnecessary wars of choice in Afghanistan and Iraq might be better spent helping embattled Americans here at home.

Indeed, during his State of the Union speech in January, President Obama proposed freezing all discretionary government spending for three years -- but exempted military spending, even though the defense budget has ballooned over the last ten years. According to defense analyst Lawrence Korb, who served as Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration, the baseline defense budget has increased by 50 percent since 2000. Over that same period, non-defense discretionary spending increased less than half that much.

This is not about ignoring the threats to our national security. And it's certainly not about pacifism. To quote the president's 2002 speech: "I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war." Iraq was never about making us safer. And the original rationale for going to war in Afghanistan -- taking on al Qaeda -- has been accomplished, with less than 100 members of the terrorist group still there. As former Bush State Department official Richard Haas has said, "If Afghanistan were a war of necessity, it would justify any level of effort. It is not and does not." In fact, by helping destabilize Pakistan and stretching our military to its limits, our presence in Afghanistan is actually making us less safe. The irrationality of continuing to spend precious resources on wars we shouldn't be fighting is all the more galling when juxtaposed with our urgent and growing needs at home.

The LA Times' Doyle McManus offers an eye-opening example of just how far our mission in Afghanistan has "creeped." His on-the-ground report on the military's upcoming push in Kandahar (cost: $33 billion) -- a surge the military considers as important as securing Baghdad was to Iraq -- doesn't include a single mention of taking on al Qaeda. Instead, McManus describes Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, telling an Afghan leader that the goals of the surge, as well as defeating the Taliban, include "reducing corruption, making local government work and, eventually, providing jobs."

Is that why we are still fighting a war there nine years later, spending American blood and treasure -- to provide jobs for the people of Kandahar? It's like a very bad joke: "The good news is, the Obama administration is ramping up a multi-billion program that will create a host of new jobs. The bad news is, you have to move to Kandahar to apply."

The Bush-era rationale for these overseas misadventures was always: We'll fight 'em over there, so we don't have to fight 'em over here. Today, it seems, we're fighting to create jobs for 'em over there, while we don't have enough jobs for our people over here.

At a time when so many hardworking middle class families are reeling from the economic crisis -- and our country is facing the harsh one-two punch of more people in need at the exact moment social services are being slashed to the bone -- that seems like the most perverted of priorities.

"Civilizations," argued historian Arnold Toyenbee, "die from suicide, not by murder." That is, our future is dependent on the choices we make and the things we decide to value.

In a video put together by Robert Greenwald's Rethink Afghanistan campaign, Berkeley professor Ananya Roy defines the troubled state of America not so much as a fiscal crisis as "a crisis of priorities."

And Barney Frank, who has been one of the few in Washington arguing for the need to cut military spending, says that our military over-commitments have "devastated our ability to improve our quality of life through government programs." Looking at the money we've spent on Iraq and Afghanistan, Frank says: "We would have had $1 trillion now to help fix the economy and do the things for our people that they deserve."

The National Priorities Project (NPP) offers a cool online tool that brings this budget trade-off to life by showing -- specifically -- all the things that could have been done with the money spent on Afghanistan and Iraq. It allows you to break the numbers down by your state, Congressional district, or town and to focus on the kinds of opportunity costs that most interest you, including education, public safety, affordable housing, and health care for kids.

For example, according to the NPP, since 2003, Americans have spent over $747 billion in Iraq. Of that, taxpayers living in California have forked over $94.7 billion. That could have provided 35 million children with health care for a year -- or 11 million places in a Head Start program. Or funding for over 1.6 million public safety officers. Or 283,378 affordable housing units. Or 1.3 million elementary school teachers. Or 11.3 million college scholarships. This in a state that has laid off more than 23,000 teachers, and has seen tuition rates at public universities skyrocket -- putting higher education beyond the reach of the very students these universities were created for. And those that are able to go are leaving in debt -- the average college student graduates carrying a debt of over $23,000.

Education has always been the path middle class Americans took to attain the American Dream. But those Americans are increasingly finding that path -- and that dream -- blocked.

Again, we are not talking about lessening America's national security. We are talking about eliminating or cutting back outdated and redundant military defense programs.

Barney Frank points to pricey relics of the Cold War such as the F-22 fighter, the Osprey transport helicopter, and missile defense programs in Eastern Europe as examples of wasted resources. He also suggests doing away with one prong of America's hugely expensive nuclear triad -- bombers, submarines, and intercontinental ballistic missiles -- designed to annihilate a Soviet empire that no longer exists. "My radical proposal," Frank told HuffPost's Ryan Grim, "is that we say to the Pentagon that they can pick two of the three, and let us abolish one."

Lawrence Korb offers his own laundry list of ways to trim the defense budget by billions without impacting national security. Even after cutting billions, he points out, the defense budget would remain significantly higher, in real dollars, than it was at the height of the Reagan build-up. A build-up that is often credited with leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union, which, in an effort to keep up with America, raised its defense spending to 27 percent of its GDP while freezing the production of civilian goods.

Increased military spending has been a hallmark of nations in decline since the fall of the Roman Empire -- including the Soviets trying to match America nuclear warhead for nuclear warhead and North Korea joining the nuclear club while its people starve.

If we don't come to our senses and get our deeply misguided priorities back in order, America engaging in nation building wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could easily join that ignominious list. A superpower turned Third World nation -- dead from our own hand.

 
 
 

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Kyo Hanakara
Science & Rationality
10:01 PM on 05/02/2010
Oh yea and forget about the wars
no ones going to launch attack on the US anytime soon.
So get out of the middle east and fix thing at home first. Isn't that the most rational thing to do?
we seriously need some scientists in the Congress and the white house.
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Kyo Hanakara
Science & Rationality
09:58 PM on 05/02/2010
Obama needs to step up and tell America what to do. He should make America feel bad becasue we as citizens are part of the problem. Americans in general need to change theri life styles radically if we want to fix our economy and also stop global warming in the process, which is a bigger problem than the economy. Natural disasters are going to cause more loss of life and resources too. Adding to the economic crisis, before you think about buying a new car think about saving our planet. How's that?
02:48 PM on 04/26/2010
I would agree with you... if it were still 1953. I would agree with you if we were discussing Iraq & not Afghanistan. Eliminating al Qaeda is not our only problem, nor is it our only objective. We cannot allow a repeat of what happened when the CIA-funded proxy war with the Soviets left Afghanistan in ruins once the Communists were defeated. That gave us al Qaeda.

Jobs & housing are hurting, but put blame where it is due: on the absurdist derivatives morons who played Musical Chairs with our debt finances until there were no more seats left. 9/11 came well before this whole mess, but thanks to Bush, we spent time and energy fighting a needless war. Now that we're better focused, we must finish this job right.

If we don't offer disillusioned Afghanis other ways of living that don't involve wanting to kill every Westerner they encounter, we will never rest. There are Afghanis & Pakistanis who believe that we attacked ourselves on 9/11 so we could justify a war with Muslims. Being in their countries and accidentally killing civilians only further proves to them this misguided premise. I wish I were making this up.

I would rather us not be there at all, but we are. However, what we do to help the Afghani people attain a society not dictated by tyranny, not constricted by extremism, not motivated by misinformation, & not so distrusting of outsiders will mold what kind of Afghanistan we see in the
11:24 AM on 04/26/2010
Unfortunately, by creating a situation where every military project is built in 15 or 25 states, thus employing lots of Americans in all these ridiculous, unneeded overpriced war toys, the military has ended up in collusion with Congress to keep these projects going - nobody is willing to vote to end a project or program that keep their constituents employed. Example, the F-22 consisted of components made or assembled in 22 states - which is why we continued to make it, at endless overruns on top of the already obese costs, for far too long. This is the same situation with all of these bizarre and neverending programs, and we know that Congresspeople will not be willing to vote for enything that leaves even more of their constituents unemployed, and probably cuts off some of their own "donations" as well. Clever thinking by whoever started the multi-state game, but it has cost our nation billions on the manufacture, repairs, maintenance and storage of these goofy and useless pieces of military Tonka toys.
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beauboy
12:04 AM on 04/26/2010
Shifting the American Military from Imperial to Army Corp of Engineers would be a good start, and a valient effort to change this country, as well as the rest of the world. Whatever happens in this country will no doubtb effect the rest of the world. We are the worlds largest military, as well as the largest economy, and it's largest polluter. We have elected a president with the intellectual capacity to help solve the complex problems of the 21st century, but there are forces that shackles his every move. The vast majority of the Republican Party have decided to go against any and everything this president recommends. They have named themselves The Party Of "No," and they seem quite proud of themselves while changing to Party Of "Hell No." Therefore, your recommendation for changing from Imperial to Army Corp of Engineer would die on the Sentee floor. The only thing the Party of "Hell No" will ratify is more money to fuel the build up of a larger and more powerful military. Anything else the president recommends is met with an, absolutely no, or "Hell No."
09:52 PM on 04/25/2010
No need to fight donate American processed food to enemies all same as U.S. school lunches
think about it
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sloppybear16
"Dare we live, without molds"
03:48 PM on 04/25/2010
Wow!! Richard Haas said Afghanistan was not a war of necessity when with Bush but now that he's the President of the Council on Foreign Relations, he writes book like "War of Choice , War of Necessity" and now thinks Afghanistan is the place of necessity.

Not to mention Haas became a special envoy in the State Department for Obama. Why would Obama give this guy any credence?
01:39 PM on 04/25/2010
Interesting metaphor. "Butter fuer Kanonen", the Nazis used that to spurt their military machine. There is an irony in comparing the US unrestricted industrial Military machine. That campaign was for the population to cut butter consumption as a sacrifice for military power. I have not seen a sacrifice here. I believe that a choice for higher taxes to pay for the military, does not sit well with the military fans on the right side of the political spectrum. Unfortunately President Obama does not make that clear enough. There should be a check box on the 1040, saying you want your refund to go towards a strong military, I guess the reception would be a little cold. They want social security, but they do not want to pay for it, they want tax cuts but not Pentagon cuts. People make up your minds and put your money where your mouth is. But what do you expect from a country whose math scores are so poor that the simple arithmetic of you can only spent what you have does not compute and neither does feeding the poor or help the needy, but touch their social security and you will be doomed. A country full of narcissistic egomaniacs or is it still a country? In this case we do not need the military at all.
12:07 PM on 04/25/2010
Bush indulged in national building fantasy in Iraq. Obma is indulging in the nation-building in the Holy Land. Not much difference.
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Roy Piper
11:00 AM on 04/25/2010
I am for gutting the defense budget. Ending both wars, closing all foriegn bases, ending expensive arms programs that are redundant, and reducing the number of people in the armed services by half. This might save $300B per year.

BUT!!!!! Not one cent of that should go to new social programs when we are running $1.5T deficits. We need to reduce that first. And once we clean up defense, it is time to take a cleaver to Entitlement spending.
12:25 PM on 04/25/2010
All soundsd very good to me even. One thing. Place the troops on our borders and protect those borders jealously
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sloppybear16
"Dare we live, without molds"
05:30 PM on 04/25/2010
But Keynesian economists in the White House and on Wall St. say growing deficits are okay in a recession. I'm mean, after the dot com bubble we created massive deficits and created a massive bubble to get us out of the hole.

yes, yes, i know, it created a bigger mess later but hey, thats okay. We will just amass bigger deficits than before and move larger problems down the line for another year or two

China may have slowed down their purchases of US Debt, but thats okay cause the "federal" reserve has increased their holdings. Nothing wrong with printing money and devaluing your currency. Weaker currencies are good for exports.... Oh wait... we don't export anything anymore... hmmm......
12:57 PM on 04/26/2010
Wow - You really have no idea whatsoever what Keanes actually said and wrote, do You?

We have friedmanism all the way from top to bottom. Turning the world into rich controlling slaves by any means at hand.

Keynes wanted the opposite. The controlls on aconomy the friedman-fanatics destroyed were keynesian. The destruytion was completely friedman.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
08:24 AM on 04/25/2010
Discard one of "bombers, submarines, and intercontinental ballistic missiles"?

That's easy: bombers, and I'm sure Barney Frank knows it. Bombers are completely vulnerable, could never reach Russia, while subs and ICBMs are unstoppable.

Bombers are probably more expensive, certainly than ICBMs. It must be expensive to keep sub crews underwater all the time, but cheaper than flying.
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itschuck2c
08:18 AM on 04/25/2010
I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
said by... Dwight D Eisenhower
05:27 AM on 04/25/2010
Interesting!
I was involved in the Community Stabilization Program in Iraq.
This involved making jobs and we recommended that in the transfer of such a program to Afghanistan significantly more and far better equipped foreign nationals were needed due to the severe lack of infrastructure and resources in Afghanistan.
So USAID were, and as far as I know still are, recruiting 1000 USA citizens to do this development and liason work with Afghan national and local governments.
Since they proved not so good at choosing those few hundreds that went to Iraq, how are they going to find 1000 people with the required mentality, skills, and experience to do a decent job in the field in a far more fractured environment?
I was in Afghanistan some years ago and the conditions are far worse now.
Jobs are needed at home in the USA, and while I agree that the military needs to constantly hone its skills and equipment, some of these foreign adventures with built-in mission creep are just not worth the candle, or providE the full benefit to the USA or the "donor" country.
09:27 PM on 04/25/2010
Last week, 4 US Soldiers were killed. The week before, 10 US Soldiers were killed. The week before that, 9 US Soldiers were killed. How many wounded? They said they had to transport the wounded straight to US because of the volcano. How many will be killed or wounded next week? What a great way to destroy our country.
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duckfan00
Après nous le deluge
10:14 PM on 04/25/2010
And none will be the sons and daughters of any Goldman or Morgan Stanley or Barclays Capital associates...that is another story...the 'corporate media elite' have are not sharing the burdens at all...
04:11 AM on 04/25/2010
It amazes me that many conservatives are quick to spend money on the military, even when the benefits of that spending go to people in other countries. Yet they are outraged at the idea of spending money for the benefit themselves or their fellow citizens at home.
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ZiloRS
07:39 AM on 04/25/2010
They like to say that the government is in charge of defense and shouldn't interfere in regular citizen's lives. People should handle their own problems.

Now when the government taking care of defense became "spend as much money as you want on weapons we don't really need" despite the citizenry suffering happened, I have no clue. It just seems that the left is more interested helping the citizens get on their feet so that they can contribute to the country...but I keep getting told by the right wingers on here that's a bad thing...somehow. I don't know, none of them has ever explained it to me in a way that made one iota of sense. I would think helping lower poverty would keep crime down at home, which is also a major issue, isn't it? So we don't have civil wars here over people being neglected? I don't know..I guess I'm just a bleeding heart liberal.
12:35 PM on 04/25/2010
thr first job of government, NATIONAL DEFENSE. Cab you spell IRAN, N KOREA and CHINA and all the Muslim terrorists who have voed to wipe Christianity from the face pof the Earth?

What we don't need is more pork and more entitlements. We don't need the NEA to produce another artwork of a urinating depiction of Jesus at tax payer expense, what we don't need is another $2 M study on the migration patterns od the One Eyed Sloth.
01:00 PM on 04/25/2010
We also don't need $140 million new fighters when our planes from the 80s still kick the ass of anything else anyone has.
02:11 PM on 04/25/2010
Damn right!
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beauboy
03:46 AM on 04/25/2010
Or commitment to being the protector of the whole world have driven us into nearly a bankrupt nation. not only has it cost us economically, but it continually robs us of our greatest assets, our young men and women. I can never forget the hatred on the faces and in the voices of the Iraqi people aimed at Americans during the height of the war. That's not a good feeling to have to swallow when you know your hard earned tax dollars are being used to help someone who hates so passionately. The leaders of this country should be figuring out how to change from a country dependent on military build-up, and how to survive by other means. Without the military, our unemployment would be near 50 %, so that is why a president like our newly elected will find it so hard to extricate our military from more than 100 countries around the world.
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dim
one in a can
02:11 PM on 04/25/2010
Shift the soldiers from imperial duty to the army corps of engineers. NO could use better levees. Maybe some more hydroelectric projects. High speed rail. Infrastructure.
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04:55 PM on 04/25/2010
Excellent idea.
01:00 PM on 04/26/2010
That is complete and utter BS.

We never were and never indended to be the police of the planet. That is only the facade for taking over governments to install massmurdering dictators we love so much who then will sell each and every natural resource the nation has to our parasites.

Policing had nothing to do with our presence anywhere in the world. It was utter destruction and theft on a scale no other nation has ever implemented.