Israel Diary: Shimon Peres on Peace, Obama's Tough Love, and Working in the Shadows

JERUSALEM -- It's hard to spend any time with Israeli President Shimon Peres and remain pessimistic about the possibility of peace.

"I'm 86," he told me, "and at a moment in my life when I have no personal agenda. I'm not interested in money. I'm not jealous of anyone. My only agenda is my country. I feel freer than I've ever felt before -- and with this freedom I can be most effective. At my age I don't want a suntan. I like being in the shadows."

But from the shadows he can influence all the players in the sun. "I meet regularly with Netanyahu and talk to him all the time," said Peres. "He asked me to meet with President Obama before he did and prepare the ground. I talk with Abbas and Fayad a lot too. We've never had better leaders to deal with. Fayad is an economist; he understands the importance of producing real results for his people."

I met with Peres at Beit HaNassi, the official presidential residence in Jerusalem (which is being given a green makeover). I had brought him my book on fearlessness, so our meeting began by talking about fear and the role it plays in undermining peace efforts.

The conversation quickly turned to what great role models of overcoming fear our parents had been: my Greek mother, who hid Jewish girls in the Greek mountains during the German occupation and had to confront Nazi soldiers who came looking for them; his Polish father, who had volunteered for the Royal British Army, and was given shelter by Greek monks, who fed and hid him for two years.

Peres' father was eventually captured and forced into hard labor at a concentration camp near Auschwitz, where one of his jobs was to take dead bodies out of the camp. At great risk, he and another prisoner used this position to help a few condemned prisoners escape, hidden among the dead.

The family eventually made its way to what would become Israel. "I remember my father in later years," Peres told me, "singing Greek songs he had learned from the monks to his grandchildren."

Peres is a powerful storyteller -- and the tale of his father's war experience has more cliffhangers than an old Saturday matinee serial -- so I felt almost sorry that I had to drag him back to the prosaic world of tripartite talks in Washington.

"It was an important first step," he said of yesterday's meetings, "because, as leaders, the main problem that both Netanyahu and Abbas face are their own people asking, 'Why are you giving away so much?'"

And, indeed, this morning the Israeli papers featured comments from Israeli politicians calling the summit "a shameful farce" and accusing Netanyahu of "humiliating Israel." Danny Danon, a member of the prime minister's Likud Party, said: "The summit proved that the peace process is not a Hollywood movie." On the other side, Abbas was accused by Hamas' leaders of "stabbing Palestinians in the back."

"You are going to be criticized," said Peres. "But you have to give things away. Indeed, you must have the courage to keep giving things away. But we need to understand that the leaders' rhetoric is often for domestic consumption. So when Abbas makes statements that are difficult for Israelis to hear, I choose to judge him not by his rhetoric but by his actions."

"The path to peace is never perfect," he continued. "Too many critics demand perfection. But what we are trying to achieve is to allow people to stay alive so they can dream of perfection. Better an imperfect peace than a perfect war."

Given this clear preference for an imperfect peace, what, I asked, is the best way for Israel to deal with Iran? Meir Dagan, the director of Mossad, has said that Iran will not be in possession of a nuclear weapon for several years. So, I asked the president, why are Netanyahu and Ehud Barak pushing the U.S. to enforce sanctions by the end of the year that may lead to military action? What is the urgency?

"We are not planning military action," he told me. That is the same thing Russian President Medvedev recently said that Peres had told him, an assertion that Israel's deputy foreign minister quickly disavowed, saying: "Medvedev may have misunderstood or misinterpreted. But, categorically, Israel is not taking any option off the table, as nobody should."

But it was clear that what Medvedev reported is what Peres believes. "Sanctions are the best way we can help our Iranian brethren to build the pressure from within," he told me. "The Iranian people are way ahead of their leaders in power. Ahmadinejad is a throwback to the middle ages. He would have been at home presiding over a 12th century Inquisition. What's happening in Iran is that the Islamic revolution that overthrew the Shah is now being devoured by its children."

In Iran, it is the children's children -- today's young people -- who represent the best hope for a break with a barbaric regime. In Israel, Peres sees education and innovation as the key to his country's future.

"Our brains," he told me, "are our only real resource. We have 100,000 cows in Israel but we produce more milk than Ethiopia, which has four million cows. Technology is what makes a difference. So, for us, it's all about science and education. That's why I want to turn the army into a university. I want to turn camps into campuses. We need to educate our soldiers, not just train them."

But, I countered, brains without heart and empathy are never enough. After all, Germany in the 30s was a highly educated country. "Yes," he replied, "and we need to express our empathy in practical terms. That's what we are trying to do through the Peres Center for Peace. We've brought 5,500 gravely ill Palestinian children and their mothers to be treated in Israel. We've also trained Palestinian doctors in -- and provided equipment for -- fighting cancer."

There is an enormous amount of philanthropy in Israel but the horror of what happened to civilians, especially children, in Gaza continues to overwhelm the good that's been done.

I asked Peres whether Obama's tough love approach will, in the end, benefit Israel by helping to end the stalemate. "If there is love," he told me, "it's never really tough. But you must have love. At the end of the day, you have much more influence through generating goodwill than through applying pressure."

Clearly, this is the strategy Shimon Peres has chosen for this final chapter of a remarkable life on the world stage that started when David Ben-Gurion handpicked him at age 24 as his deputy minister of defense and which he now hopes to conclude by doing everything he can -- in public but especially "in the shadows" -- to make real his mentor's vision of an Israeli state peacefully co-existing next to a Palestinian one.

 

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Comments

[dadanbetty]

I would expect that kind of goodwill of any man of his age. The problem is that this idea is chasing terror, isolation, humiliation, censorship and many other ideas of the Israeli gov.

[Winning09]

Shimon Peres is 86 and still going strong. That's amazing.

[bigfro]

Saib Erekat, the Palestinian Authority's chief negotiator with Israel, called Netanyahu's demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state unacceptable while demanding recognition for a Palestinian only state completely free of Jews at the last Fatah Council meeting.

[StuartS]

"It's hard to spend any time with Israeli President Shimon Peres and remain pessimistic about the possibility of peace."

Hmmm....well with 500,000 Israelis in illegal (according to the UN, EU and just about everybody else) settlements in the occupied Palestinian Tarritories and Netanyahu and a majority in Israel opposing a freeze, never mind abolition of these illegal settlements, and therefore no chance of achieving a viable Palestinian state, I think everyone should be "pessimistic about the policy of peace".

[WBMD]

Why do 5000,000 Israelis in the west bank present a "no chance of achieving a viable Palestinian state" while over a million Palestinian Arabs as citizens of Israel is considered absolutely normal?

[SpaghettyIrish]

Because the Arabs in Israel aren't depriving anyone else of rights, or expropriating land.

[steel71]

Kissinger, Henry (1923- ), Jewish-American politician: "Any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong." Quoted in: Walter Isaacson, Kissinger - A Biography, p. 561.

[TAIsabel]

Good heavens, from Kissinger no less!

[NER]

Blaming the victim is a pretty sick twist on reality.

[LeLoup]

Alas, we are not privy to the context in which this remark was made.

A little fast to jump to conclusions, no?

[yaskeptik]

This meant to be a joke.
Sinefield he wasn't

[steel71]

Kissinger doesn't joke around..

[leland61]

As long as religions and their idiotic mythologies are allowed to rule the minds of human beings rather than science, reason and truth - the nonsense will continue in the Middle East and all around the world where superstition rules.

What is really astounding it that some of the writers actually think that 14,000,000 Jews (approximate number of Jews in the entire world) can cause as much trouble as is attributed to them. There are more than 1,000,000,000 Christians and a similar number of Muslims. I suggest that if you want to know where the trouble like you look first at the billions of people subjugated to superstition and ignorance of those two religions and only as a footnote to the infinitessimal number of Jews.

In any case, however, the world will continue this nonsense until reason prevails and stone age superstitions are destroyed.

[Wonderwheel]

As Isreal is acting like an emotionally stone age nation, reason does not seem likely to rise on its horizon any too soon.

[WBMD]

In the last 2000 years, the Ottomans never offered the Palestinians a homeland. The Jordanians and the Egyptians and the Syrians, and the Iraqis never offered the Palestinians a homeland. Israel has repeatedly offered them a homeland, and been refused. Today, Netanyahu is offering the Palestinians a homeland. And you call Israel "a stone age nation"??

[Ithamer]

Can a true democracy be responsible for supporting and funding what is happening to the Palestinians in their homeland, inflicted by interlopers?..

[Wonderwheel]

Nope.

[Brunobear]

In 70 AD the Romans wiped out all the 600,000 Jews in Palestine and destroyed much of Jerusalem including the Jewish historic "Holocaust" sacrificial temple. There were virtually no Jews in Palestine for over 1850 years until after WW1, and even then they soon developed a separate economy that excluded Palestinians. The Jewish Bolshevik takeover of Russia in 1917 and the subsequent widespread brutality and dispossession inflicted on the Christian Russian population including the widespread brutality, establishment of Gulags and murder of literally millions shows their hands are no cleaner than Hitler's or anybody else. When Bolshevism inevitably collapsed in Russia in 1988 the priveliged 1.2 million Jewish population evacuated Russia and poured into Israel demanding space and homes from the Arabs. They then supported the construction of a separating concrete wall no different to the "iron curtain" they earlier built around Russia. The continuing story is akin to the mass fraud and wealth dispossession Bernie Madoff committed in the US and received 150 years gaol for recently. Israel is a self centred, self serving exclusive political regime that is only interested in Judism. Israel is very adept at using past events visited upon Jews to justify any action it chooses irrespective how brutal as in Gaza. You just don't see Israel contributing to peace keeping anywhere. Israel was never the promised land for Jews, just another location where they baited others until being mass slaughtered.

[DeniseA]

Not true.
Jews have had an almost continuous presence in Palestine for at least 3000 years.

Jews were not privileged in the USSR.

The wall is to protect Israeli citizens from terrorism.

Approximately 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.

History proves that Jews need a safe place to live.

[Beca]

I'm sorry Denise, I must say something here. No 'wall" is going to protect anybody from actual "terrorism", the wall is there to keep the Palestinians fractioned and to starve them out of certain parts. The wall has taken land away from Palestinian people, separated families, prevented many from earing a living and feeding their families. This is not how to resolve conflict, walls only work with kids when they are too agressive towards one another. Walls build resentment, not peace.

All people, regardless of nationality or religious affiliation need a safe place to live.

[Brunobear]

DeniseA. There was barely 20,000 Jews in Palestine over the centuries to 1900. Just enough to assist old Jews who went to Jerusalem et al to die. The massive wall is an inevitable result of their unpopular and misconceived 61 year occupation of Palestine. Yes there are thousands of Arabs in Israel, especially in Northern Israel living in refugee camps in their own land. Israel has no interest in accommodating the interests of anyone but Jews and many Israeli's wished the Palestinians and other non Jews there and in the Israeli occupied West Bank would all just die. The only promised land for Jews has proven in recent centuries to be the tolerant Protestant Christian US and other Anglo Saxon countries. Britain expelled all Jews circa 1200AD and only allowed them back 450 years later under the Puritan period of Oliver Cromwell. No country really welcomed European Jewish refugees during WW11. There are sections in the 1215AD Magna Carta about avoiding debts to Jews - so it was not just Mr. Hitler that had concerns. Israel has no extradition agreements for its Jewish population so it is also a good place for wayward Jews to hide from foreign Justice. History only proves that Jews need to amend the Torah and insert a few chapters on empathy and how to respect and get along with others, then they will be safe in almost any place and we would all be better off.

[SpaghettyIrish]

Do you really think that Israel is a safe place, long term?

[TAIsabel]

Kuddos! Superb post!

[TAIsabel]

As I walked back home (accross from the UN), late this morning from Jury Duty, I was astounded by the almost military occupation of 42nd Street between 2nd and 1st Avenue. I had NEVER seen anything like it. The tension in the air was palpable and could have been cut with a knife. The fully armed security forces were quite serious and stern.

I have lived here through several UN General Assemblies and was actually pleased with the traffic jams and pleasant security when President Obama was here yesterday. Everyone was in a festive mood (although typically grumpy, NY style about the traffic and noise) and we were all standing looking out for our President to try and catch a glimpse.

Naturally, I was concerned and curious as to the VERY heightened sense of security, Then I turned on CNBC and saw Bibbi at the Podium.

It is very impacting to see that this man requires Much, much more security than our own President. This is an indication of several things:

1. He is so disliked that the power is justified.
2. The level of paranoia is unparalleled.
3.It is just the way they see themselves ("us against them").
4. They trust no one and travel with their own security forces.

Regardless of the reason, it certainly put me in a state of stress and I only live here, free and American. I can only imagine the fear Palestinians feel on a daily basis from such a daunting force!

[NER]

How did we get from Netanyahu to "they"?

[againstzionistracism]

It's now official - there's no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:

'The Israeli Prime Minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million' (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).

[David Klein]

It's the Palestinian militants who amass arms in areas surrounding Israel, cowardly placing themselves in civilian neighborhoods and firing missiles into Israel, who cause these awful wars. And israel is accused of "war crimes"? If that was happening to you, if you saw that there was an armed radical militant force next door building up an army to wipe you out, would you not react and try to snuff them out? Sadly, critics of Israel could care less about Jews and about the homeland of Christ, and they side with the militants who in no way have anything good to offer peaceful Palestinians, and only hijack their political control and incite wars which kill Palestinian civilians and lead to no peace process. Sad to read about people supporting militant war mongers who want to exterminate Israelis and steal their tiny homeland. Many Palestinians and other Arabs have lived peacefully in Israel in the same cities. Go there and find out what it's like to live there before slamming Jews.

[berrycooda]

David, I was going to put my 2 cents in about this article and how people are so quick to blame Israel and the Jewish people for everything. Seems that in the past few years, each time Israel said they would begin peace talks with Palestine if they would quit shooting missiles at them for 6 months.
Well, they never did and the problems went on.
I, like you, blame it on militants who never want peace anyway.
And I have pity on the people who are unfortunate to live in the midst of this.
Israel has the right to defend itself.
Too bad it has to, but it is necessary as long as there are people out there who are hell bent on destroying Israel.

[Antifascist-08]

Yes. I believe the Israelis and the Palestinian people could find a way to peace, but as long as Hamas and other groups are free to roam and even be in charge, there will be no peace.

We keep arguing about who was there first and ancient religions that might as well be in the stone age. This is pointless. The israelis aren't going anywhere. Get over it. Its not going to happen. In this sense, we are just as bad as they are.

The Palestinians may or may not ever be able to throw off the terrorists who control and manipulate them. This is sad because there have been times and places when there have been communities of both sides living in peace and having commerce amongst themselves.

This isn't about rational thought an discussion. Peace will only come when both sides want it bad enough.

[Beca]

David, from what I have gathered, both side have violated the human rights of both sides, and both have used very bad judgment in dealing with this situation. The sad part is that the most recent military confrontation was clearly way unbalanced, with thousands of Palestinian civilians likked Israeli forces, wheres not even 100 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinian forces. Even one lost life is horrible, so I am not saying one life is more valuable than the other, but what I am trying to say is that this military approach on both sides has not and will not solve the issue of territory. Until both sides lay down their arms and agree to sit down at a table and behave like rational adults, this issue will not be solved.

[WBMD]

If only this was an issue of territory. The Palestinians have been offered territory at every turn; the latest offer from Netanyahu was just a few weeks ago. If it is territory they want, as you say, why don't they take what is offered?

The issue however is one of "no territory" - for the Jewish state, that is.

[scifiwriter]

This is a blood feud that goes back centuries. The situation in the Middle East will not be resolved until one side destroys the other. I'm tired of hearing about it.

[mbbythesea]

wow that's really intellectually rigourous of you! how about when there was slavery--would you come along and say "oh this has gone on for hundreds of years, too bad" ??

[scifiwriter]

The big difference in the parallel that you are trying to draw is that the US was able to directly address, and correct, the slavery issue. Israel and Palestine, as you probably know, are sovereign entities with their own agendas. Are you so naive as to think that we can actually bend them to our will?

[lightbulb10]

I see there's some motive questioning below, but this really does strike me as just a really beautiful piece. Some of her writing can be SO good. I hope the emphasis on peace for peace really rings through to everyone involved though. The jingoism is so startling every and anywhere. It is great to see that luminescence of spirit in him, and press and more press really is the only way that some of that light can shed outward. Otherwise, a handful is a handful and nothing progresses.

[Ithamer]

The interesting dilemma continues, why is it the US is in bed with a people who exclude all but Jews to a disputed land they presently occupy?

[eileenflemingWAWA]

GREAT QUESTION!

June 8, 2007, @ the 27th annual American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee’s Washington, D.C. Conference, Congressman Paul Findley, a moderate Republican blew my mind when he addressed the luncheon crowd:

"It is time to speak openly and honestly about Israel. But, in American politics, that is still forbidden....Pity that we cannot seem to shed our fear of Israel. We are afraid to speak out on Capitol Hill, for fear of losing the next election. They are more like trained poodles jumping through hoops than leaders!

"Why this fear? How did we get here?

“Forty years ago to this day, June 8, 1967 the change occurred, the floodgates opened and money poured into Israel as never before. When President Johnson heard about the U.S.S. Liberty being attacked by Israel he ordered the rescue fighter planes to return to the deck. The rescue mission was aborted and the survivors have said they heard LBJ’s voice tell Admiral Giess, 'Get those planes back on deck. I don’t care if the ship sinks, I will not embarrass Israel.'

“LBJ also threatened to court martial anyone who reported what had happened. Johnson accepted Israel’s false claim of “mistaken identity” and he knew it was a lie. That is when the change began and Israel learned they could get away with murdering U.S.A. soldiers."

Excerpted from: Honoring LIBERTY and Calling for a Second American Revolution!

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=701&Itemid=180

[bells1]

Peres was expressing Israel's doubt about Obama's love.In fact , the ongoing understanding is that Obama loves the Palestinians/Arabs and hates the Jews of Israel.Obama gets nowhere with demands and decrees with Israel as he gets nowhere with the Palestinians even thogh he does show love to them.

At the end of the day it is not about Obama but the survival of Israel and so the Israelis will continue to do what they think will help their survival and not the survival of a four years president.

[alexa07]

I could not agree with you more about the racist exclusivity of the Israeli govt nor do I yet understand (after many yrs. of trying) how our leaders can continue to underwrite the predatory actions of the Israelis upon their neighbors.

[NER]

You don't know what you're talking about. Israel was chartered by the UN as a homeland for Jews. As for your claim that Israel excludes non-Jews from living there: 76% of Israel's population is Jewish, and non-Jewish citizens are represented in Israel's government.

[Antifascist-08]

Correct.

Others: wrong

Israel is not going to disappear. If some of you want to keep harping on their legitimacy, you are wasting your time, and ours.

Solving this problem means moving ahead, not going backwards.

"The Vulcan High Council has determined that time travel is not possible."
TPol.

[Gracie fr]

This meeting sounds so amicable, civilized and full of mutual satisfaction. Nice PR stunt for Shimon Peres to down play his commitment in the maintenance of Israel’s “Iron Wall” with a display of awh shucks folksiness. And what does “There is an enormous amount of philanthropy in Israel, but the horror of what happened to civilians, especially children, in Gaza continues to overwhelm the good that's been done” mean?? 90% of Israelis backed the Gaza War seeing it as the only solution to bring about an end to the inaccurate Chinese firecrackers targeting Sedrot. Ever since, the Gaza Strip has remained securely sealed, while the list of permissible goods allowed in has been whittled down by the Israeli authorities to barely thirty. Now there is a liquidity crisis because the IDF controls the cash flow to banks and rations out Jordanian dinars and $US available for withdrawal. But there is hardly anything to buy on the open market anyway and few people can afford what comes in through the tunnels. Unlike governing members of Fatah which relied on connections built upon slum-lord favoritism and thuggery, Hamas has been clean , battling extremists to prove it. That the insurgent Islamic extremist sect called Jund Ansar Allah (JAA), were located along the Philadelphia corridor Rafah should come as no surprise as that is the area of Gaza which has suffered the most in terms of house demolition and the confiscation of land .

[WBMD]

I doubt that the mother of 2 yr. old Dorit Bensimon shares your opinion, after her daughter was targetted and killed by one of those "firecrackers."

[eileenflemingWAWA]

On January 16, 2007, 10 year old Abir Aramin was walking home from school with her sister and two friends, but instead of having milk and cookies that afternoon; she was shot in the head.

An Israeli Border Police jeep had parked outside the gates of the Anata girls' school and opened fire, and Abir was hit with a rubber bullet.

After three days on life support her struggle ended.

"Many children have been injured in the past by these brutal actions of the soldiers and on January 16th it became deadly. As in many other cases the police replied that the soldiers were shooting in response to stones thrown at them by children."

Abir's father and co-founder of Combatants for Peace affirmed, "I'm not going to lose my common sense, my direction, only because I've lost my heart, my child. I will do all I can to protect her friends, both Palestinian and Israeli. They are all our children."

Excerpted from "They Are All Our Children"

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=642&Itemid=176

[eileenflemingWAWA]

Gaza was walled in by the late 1980's and in Israel they call THE WALL:

"Michshol Hafrada" Hebrew for "The Separation Wall" which translates to Apartheid in Afrikaan.

The Wall has divided Palestinians from Palestinians and has stolen their aquifers, denies them access to their land, jobs, families and holy sites and for every mile it consumes over $1.25 Million USA Tax dollars.

The Wall was deemed illegal by the International Court of Justice but no president has yet demanded Israel to tear down this wall!

Jewish only colonies have been implanted to divide the Palestinian neighborhoods throughout occupied territory. Over 100,000 Palestinians are trapped and then daily humiliated and tortured at the over 600+ checkpoints that deny them access to their families, land, jobs, resources and holy sites.

Since 1967, over 22,000 dwellings in Jerusalem have been bulldozed by Israeli forces because they interfere with settlement expansion.

Israel attempts to justify their immoral actions with three distinct categories:

1. Collective Punishment: Homes of suspected terrorists-in reality that is anyone who opposes the occupation.

These punitive actions amount to 15% of the over 22,000 homes destroyed since 1967.

2. Administrative demolitions for lack of building permits: Israel refuses to issue any and this accounts for 25%. In occupied east Jerusalem one out of four Palestinian homes have a demolition order.

3. Security: The blanket reason given for all of Israel’s injustices and illegal actions.

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1422&Itemid=224

[WBMD]

Not quite. The separation fence was built in THE WEST BANK in response to repeated suicide bomb attacks against Israeli civilians, the most infamous of which was the attack on Jews celebrating the Passover Seder. The "wall" has been very effective in placing a barrier in the way of those homicide bombers. That, the checkpoints, the "humiliation", all of it has been brought by the Palestinians on their own heads for "opposing the occupation", a euphemism for indiscriminant terror.

Home destruction: If terrorists do not fear for their own death, they may give a thought to the consequences to their families, if they know their home will be destroyed if the terrorist carries out his murders. There is precious little else to use to try to deter those maniacs.

But enough about that. Why not just accept the offers from Netanyahu for a state of their own? They rejected Barak and Olmert, and no are being offered less. If they reject this too, who knows what they will be offered down the road. Take "yes" for an answer.

[David A. Love - Huffpost Blogger]

Indeed, "brains without heart and empathy are never enough." Very well said. Clearly this is a principle that needs to guide U.S. foreign policy. In that regard, it appears that Obama is in a unique position to make change.

[eileenflemingWAWA]

I also loved that President Obama concluded with a quote from Franklin Roosevelt who after years of war, summed up the lessons from the terrible suffering and enormous sacrifice that had taken place:

"We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community."

I felt COMMON SENSE has returned to the White House:

"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." -Tom Paine

When FDR met with labor leaders in 1934, after four hours of meeting, he said, 'You've convinced me that you are right. Now, go out there and FORCE ME TO DO IT.'

What he meant, was that the pressures on a President to stay with the status quo, the forces of the economic and political elites of the country so enormous, that even when a President wants to change direction, he requires the support of forces that will push him in the correct direction.

In solidarity we "have it in our power to begin the world again"-Tom Paine

xoxe

[Antifascist-08]

NIce. A voice of reason.

fanned