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Posted: 02/ 5/2012 12:00 am

This week, America's poor, a group largely neglected by politicians, was front and center in the national conversation. On the one hand, we had President Obama speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast, invoking "the biblical call to care for... those at the margins of our society" and paraphrasing Luke in support of tax hikes on the wealthy (Question: Why would the Good Book have something relevant to say about taxes only now, but not when the president extended tax cuts for those "to whom much is given"?). On the same day as the Prayer Breakfast, Mitt Romney was accepting the endorsement of the gold-plated Donald Trump -- only one day after saying he was "not concerned about the very poor." Could you be more politically tone-deaf? They probably bonded over their mutual love of pink slips: Mitt: I like being able to fire people! Donald: I tried to trademark "You're fired!" Mitt: Glad you couldn't -- I would have owed you a lot of royalties!

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BigWetTears
Feeling Your Pain as the Oceans Rise
10:51 PM on 02/05/2012
With the Hundreds of Billions or Trillions Spent on the "War On Poverty" . .
how can you possibly say the Poor have been Forgotten??? . . USA "Dependency Nation" . .
10:41 PM on 02/05/2012
I think it's interesting to note that in Nevada, only 43% of Republicans voted for Mitt Romney. The other side of the math tells us that 57% of Republican voters DID NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY. This is not something that should make Romney too comfortable. 57% OF GOP VOTERS WANT SOMEONE ELSE!!
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bushfailure
10:35 PM on 02/05/2012
Romney cares about the poor. He said so. "If the safety net is broken, we should fix it."
I think his plan is called "soylent green." Problem solved.
08:25 PM on 02/05/2012
As for the 'down and out'. I agree that until one has crashed one's OWN ship once; you simply cannot understand others who are doing it in front of you. The truth is "we cannot understand another human being unless we have walked a mile in their moccasins.
08:21 PM on 02/05/2012
Arianna makes me smile. She always locates the ' pulse', finds the vein, and puts the needle where it belongs. It is a pleasure to be apart of this news center.
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Soror quaerens lucem
06:49 PM on 02/05/2012
The poor lack political clout and I don't mean in the same way the middle class increasingly lacks political clout.Neither can afford lobbyists to take up their cause but the poor are lacking in a more fundamental way. Many of the poor are homeless and of course cannot vote as a consequence.How do you register without an address or id? many are felons and have lost that right even if their crime was drug abuse. Being poor means one is disenfranchised on a complete level.

THe tragedy is that society can prevent extreme poverty; people that find themselves in shelters do climb their way out at least to the extent that they can provide for themselves and loved ones. I work at a shelter and I asked one of the women that has been volunteering there for 10 years when she started volunteering.She paused and looked at me then said she was once one of "them" and she pointed in the direction of the line of guests that had formed to queue up for food.I was speechless and she shared that she had been helped by this church.She once was homeless with her three kids. She is still financially "poor" by many standards but she has a decent place to live she is raising her kids and she gives to her commnunity. Most of all she lives with dignity. Guess that won't make it on any party's platform.
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dkmkc2000
Time flies...
06:09 PM on 02/05/2012
Face it, we are going to self destruct one way or another because people ARE AFRAID to be honest about facing the reality of the destruction of America, it will not be stopped, nothing is going to help it. Not Liberals, not Democrats, not Republicans, and not Socialism. It is as if a house has been divided and will soon fall.
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Beatriz09
03:38 PM on 02/05/2012
With all respect, but to me this article shows almost perfectly what's basically wrong with our media: sentences pronounced by and decisions made by politicians are totally taken out of context, and interpreted in the most cynical way possible.

First of all, I strongly believe that having Romney as a president would be a disaster for this country, but it's clear that Romney did NOT want to say that he doesn't care for the poor, as the second part of his sentence added that if there are problems with the safety net, he'll fix it. So he cares, AND he wants to do something about it. That's the only LOGICAL conclusion you can draw from this sentence. Of course, Romney is also the guy proposing a $160 tax increase for the poor and agrees with the Ryan budget that would basically dig even more holes in the safety net (for the poor AND the middle class), but you can't use that fact to attribute a totally different meaning to a sentence he pronounced and that, IF you interpret it wrong, would correctly refer to the sense Romney's policies are having for US, progressives. That he cares for the poor is one thing, that he believes in a trickle-down ideology is another thing. We should fight that ideology with facts and solid arguments, instead of limiting our political action as pundits to the moral blaming of politicians and cynical attacks on character.

Secondly, EVERYBODY who paid attention at the end of 2010 knows WHY Obama and the Dems accepted a compromise that also included $80 billion out of the $800 billion the GOP wanted to extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich: it's because a LOT of programs helping the poor and the middle class could ONLY pass once "we the people" give the GOP the legal power to block each and every bill in the Senate, IF those who are trying to represent the poor and the middle class are willing to compromise with the GOP. If not, we would have had an ideological victory (no extension of the tax cuts for the rich) but would have to pay a totally UNACCEPTABLE price: the end of almost a trillion of help for the poor and the middle class.

So saying that president Obama is talking "too late" about taxes and the poor, that he should have thought about this at the end of 2010, is completely ignoring the context, and first of all Congress. And if you know that WE are the only ones responsible for the equation in Congress, it becomes even more absurd to say things like that. You cannot possibly send a Congress to DC that wants to block as much of a president's agenda as possible, and then blame the president and his party for compromising in order to at least achieve PART of this agenda ... .
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brooklyncitizen
Soror quaerens lucem
06:52 PM on 02/05/2012
I get what you are saying but indeed you are wrong regarding Romney's comments. He is certainly unable to relate to "the poor".It wasn't PC to say what he said but it reflects his intentions. THe use of safety net is Reganomics all over again. He also claimed that there was a safety net, as he made bigger and bigger holes in it.It's been downhill since.
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Beatriz09
08:14 PM on 02/05/2012
I guess my point was that if Romney supports Reaganomics (which indeed he seems to do), then the most effective way to defeat him, in a democracy, is to attack Reagonomics and to explain how horrible the results of such a policies are, for the poor AND for the middle class.

If we're serious for a moment, we'll have to admit that we'll NEVER know his real intentions and thoughts (nor the intentions of any other politician). Only God knows them - if there's a God. So speculating about whether he "cares" for the poor or not, and taking one sentence out of its context to try to suggest that he doesn't, imho doesn't elevate the debate, it distracts from a real, thorough debate, and reduces politics to struggles between Good Guys and Bad Guys, which can only make people more cynical and politically ignorant, whereas we need the media to EMPOWER people and to make them understand how to use their constitutional political rights in a democracy.

Because the real problem isn't whether Romney cares or not, it's whether his policies will improve things or not, AND whether ordinary citizens will sincerely believe in Reagonomics or not. It's clear that a LOT of GOP voters sincerely believe in Reagonomics. So THAT's the real problem, imo. Those who believe in Reagonomics will always tend to believe that Romney cares (as according to those people Reaganomics is the best tool available to help the poor) and will vote for him, and only if he's elected will the poor once again be confronted with even more misery than what they already had to bear.

So the point is: IF we don't believe in Reaganomics, how will we prevent four more years of Reaganomics?

The answer I'd suggest is: by using solid arguments and facts to refute Reaganomics, and certainly NOT by taking half of a sentence out of its context and giving it another meaning, meaning that corresponds to OUR opinion of Reagonomics, but that at the same time has to do with something we can't prove at all: Romney's personal intentions.
03:34 PM on 02/05/2012
One of the most disgusting things is the push to lower working ages and hours for children.....whats that about...corps want cheap labor lowering the min wage getting rid of the very organizations that saved our children from being slaves...they name legilation these nice names like right to work..more like right to work for less....why is it the right is pushing everything backwords???? Why do they want our people to do without....it is like we have to fight the fight again for our rights again....Money can buy our right away.....
03:25 PM on 02/05/2012
How do you classify poor in America? Earnings of less than a dollar a day like the rest of teh world?
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walkaway
04:53 PM on 02/05/2012
How about people who cannot afford health care, enough food for their families, safe child care so that they can work, a safe place to live with their children?

Believe me, you are one or two major illnesses away from any of those situations. I promise I won't laugh at you or be snide if it happens.
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Bad Cat
Last time the GOP cared about me I was a fetus
05:50 PM on 02/05/2012
Thank you for your answer !!!
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Beatriz09
05:19 PM on 02/05/2012
Less than 1.20 US dollar a day is what the World Bank calls the standard for "extreme poverty", among what it called "absolute poverty". Apart from that, there's something like "relative poverty", which refers to the amount of money you need a day in order to have access to basic services like health care, water, food etc. in the country you're living in (knowing that in certain countries like the US, one dollar a day isn't enough at all to be able to survive).
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Eddie VanderMolen
2 + 2 = 4, period!
03:06 PM on 02/05/2012
The safety nets are bunk! All they do is hold poor people at the poverty level. If we are to take poverty seriously then we need to reassess certain institutions in our society. Making education free for everyone regardless of income would be a very good start. Free health care too would prevent many people struggling with poverty. Remaking non-violent criminal laws, like decriminalizing marijuana would do wonders getting people out of poverty. The poor aren't a concern because they are already subjugated and disenfranchised. Romney has turned his attention to the middle-class now to subjugate and disenfranchise.
04:01 PM on 02/05/2012
Elementary, middle school and high school educations are all free, but that doesn't mean that the children of the poor attend or take advantage of what they could learn. If a parent doesn't value education, it isn't likely that their child will.
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10:53 PM on 02/05/2012
If you do not break the cycle ,you can have the most qualified teachers in the world, And learning will be limited ,To show you our college grads, last night I upgraded tickets at a live event it was 5 people 15 dollars, I told her what it was,she pulled out a calculator to figure it out. Can not figure out 5x15,WOW
02:50 PM on 02/05/2012
I appreciate Arianna's clarity on things! Thank you!
02:32 PM on 02/05/2012
The problem is that the majority of these folks is they are the one percent....not only do they not understand the struggles of middle class they especially do not get folks below the poverty level...i was raising three boys on 700 a month....we were lucky....thank god they all grew up to be wonderful young men...I appriciate the saftey nets..but it is so hard to watch the politics and how they are marginalizing so many Americans....during the depression my dear Grandma Pearl gave folks food that were so poor that they had just the clothes on their back....i am sure they all had a story on how they got there,,Just like now...we all have our story....the problem is we are all lumped together ...they..... them...those people....we all have a story....they all need to hear...open their ears and listen....i go out a couple times a week to give out blankets,,,socks and shoes and what ever is needed for those that have nothing....they all have a story....We can all help each other....we just have to open our eyes ,our hearts and our ears....and love and care about each other...it goes along way....
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Bad Cat
Last time the GOP cared about me I was a fetus
05:52 PM on 02/05/2012
Grandma Pearl's legacy lives on...
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Kittypost
My micro-bio magnified 1000X --> .
02:18 PM on 02/05/2012
After Reagan's failed "trickle down" theory, it's been downhill ever since.
04:06 PM on 02/05/2012
Compared to Reagan's forth year in office Obamanomics is trickless.
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Beatriz09
08:16 PM on 02/05/2012
Which means, concretely?
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BlueOnBlue
We're in this together
02:17 PM on 02/05/2012
It would be good if someone would take the long view when we talk about poverty in the United States.

Before Lyndon Johnson declared a "war on poverty," more than one in five Americans, -- 22% -- lived below the poverty line. Most of the anti-poverty programs started under Johnson (Medicaid, Head Start, Food Stamps, etc.) were continued under Nixon, Ford and Carter and by the time Reagan took office, the poverty rate had been cut in half, to 11%.

Repealing many anti-poverty measures, Reagan succeeded in raising the rate to 15%. In his final State of the Union address, he declared that in the war on poverty, "poverty won," to laughter from his Republicans.

Under Clinton, the rate got down again to about 12%, but by the end of his second term (with his help in signing off on cancelling real welfare), the rate was going up again. When Bush was done cratering the economy and the hopes of many of the poor, the poverty rate was back to nearly Reaganesque levels.

The record shows that we can defeat poverty through government action and we can allow it to grow through government inaction. But the myth persists that no government is good for poor people.

Well, if you consider that creating more poor people is good, then Republican policies have been very good for them.
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JB frm NC
"And who is my neighbor?"
04:08 PM on 02/05/2012
Very nicely done. F & F #1243
04:26 PM on 02/05/2012
If I were to give a poor man with two cents in his pocket $50,000 he'd be lifted out of material poverty and catapulted into the middle class. But though my generosity has changed his material fortunes what goes unchanged are his values: the attitude, habits and lifestyle that kept him poor. As soon as he spends his $50,000 he returns to material destitution because of the poverty in his soul. The failed War on Poverty did this to millions-changed their material fortunes for a while but left them poor inside. When the government handouts stopped they became statistically poor again because they never stopped being poor.