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Posted: 08/07/11 01:00 AM ET

This week, the United States had its credit rating downgraded from AAA to AA-plus, making our nation the financial equivalent of the short, fat, bald, masked guy in those FreeScore.com commercials. In announcing the downgrade, Standard & Poor's cited "the difficulties of bridging the gulf between the political parties" over reducing the deficit, and indicated they wanted even more spending cuts from Congress -- joining the misguided consensus that completely misses the fact that economic growth is the most powerful weapon against the deficit. The White House challenged S&P's analysis, claiming it was off by trillions of dollars. Maybe the ratings agency was using the same math it had when it helped create the fiscal crisis we are still struggling to get out of by awarding AAA ratings to trillions of dollars in subprime mortgages repackaged as securities.

 
 
 

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11:23 AM on 08/14/2011
We may be at war at this point ...

Within the context of Chinese philosophy, The Art of War by Sun Tzu for example; politics (and economic trade) are considered as extensions of military philosophy --- not alternativ­es to it.

If this were a regular "shooting" war, there would be no debate over increasing military spending; but because tanks have been replaced by cargo containers­, both parties refuse to spend the necessary funds to wage economic war against those with this alternativ­e philosophy ...

Being the good little naive free-marke­t capitalist­s that we are; we apparently cannot understand that economic trade implemente­d through strategic centralize­d planning can also be used as a weapon.

Perhaps if we were closer to the Cold War of twenty years ago, this would be better understood­.
The Soviet Union often employed trade barriers, "dirty tricks", and other economic means to gain economic and eventual military advantage over their adversarie­s ...

I had hoped that those employed by S&P and management had a deeper understand­ing of the world's political and economic problems ...

Circumstan­ces are worse ... Things are definitely worse ...
09:09 PM on 08/09/2011
You all realy dont want me to state on this.....
Bob is poking me in the back of the head, saying go ahead....
Ok.....Govenrment Officials Got Down Graded, Not America.
The Bad Boy Of Crogress....aaahhhh, Bad Boys Bad Boys what you going to do now, you all are just as poor as us now.....Send another $16 trillion Dollars Overseas....oh, you all didnt Know in the last 10 years between $48.2 TR. to $100 Trillion Dollars spent, gone, and I am surprised to see you all on TV,. There Is a very good chance by 2016 all most all 90% of you all will be voted out of office and for the very first time CNN blasted Congress, and said they should be voted out...
Good by Bad Boys oF Congress I will miss you all.....
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08:21 PM on 08/09/2011
(please see Pimco.com, America's Debt Downgrade Heralds a New Era by MA El-Erian


"This article was published in the Financial Times on Aug. 8, 2011, and as an earlier version on FT.com.Governments will strike a better balance between regulatory oversight and granting the agencies such influential monopoly power. This will force investors to do what they should have been doing for years: conduct their own due diligence, rather than rely on outsiders.Then there are the wider systemic effects. With America occupying the core of the world’s financial system, Friday’s downgrade will erode over time the standing of the global public goods it supplies – from the dollar as the world’s reserve currency to its financial markets as the best place for other countries to deposit savings.

This will weaken the effectiveness of the US as the global anchor, accelerating the unsteady migration to a multipolar system.There is one particularly difficult analytical question. Will the global system sustainably resume normal operations with an AA+ America at its core, or are further structural changes inevitable? The latter would involve the proliferation of bilateral payments agreements, even weaker global governance and heightened risk of economic fragmentation.Many of these consequences will be forestalled by the fact that no other country can yet replace the US at the centre of the global system."

Now for logical scrutiny of S&P in light of the other two rating companies here in the States...
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04:07 PM on 08/09/2011
it's time the government knows what it feels like to be that fat balding man. It's how they have made over 6,000,000 foreclosed families, many foreclosed fraudulently, with predatory mortgages feel. These families are now homeless, jobless, with ruined credits, being forced to pay higher interest on credit cards and car loans than anyone else. There are hundreds and thousands of predatory mortgages bearing witness to the fact people were charged higher interest rates than they qualified for to inflate their investor's portfolio. Banks always win, but if it has to be at the destruction of the welfare of Americans this Government cannot believe they are pulling the wool over Europe's eyes.
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12:42 PM on 08/08/2011
S&P is owned by McGraw-Hill, what I have found is that some of the same companies are on the board as Alec.org.
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2collect the TRUTH!
09:57 AM on 08/08/2011
10YRS 7 MONTHS & 39 DAY`S OF BUSH TAX CUTS WHERE ARE THE JOBS MR. SPEAKER?
10:56 PM on 08/07/2011
We are used to talk about serious problems ( lack of jobs, income inequality, too big to fail, etc.) not action. Standard and Poors took action. Shocking!
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10:18 PM on 08/07/2011
Excellent posr, Ariana, you wrote what I have been thinking all weekend. I
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urbanlife
09:51 PM on 08/07/2011
The focus is on S&P's downgrade, what about Moody's. The real story is how each agency justified it's rating.
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09:20 PM on 08/07/2011
AA+ is hardly the equvilant of "the man in the mask". Not your strongest post A.
09:03 PM on 08/07/2011
The down grade and the debt crisis are symptoms of an underlying problem -- falling median purchasing power for the past four decades. Presently the US deficit is barely keeping our economy afloat by purchasing 10% of our goods and services. Unless we reverse the decline of the middle class, our economy and ultimately our very democracy will be lost. The failure of the middle class is primarily due to increased imports, outsourcing and automation. The cures are higher tariffs and shorter work weeks.
08:57 PM on 08/07/2011
S&P 2 trillion error is just more hazardous behavior
The lack of warnings of this economic mess erodes
their credibility. Their actions harmed our country
and they just say OH we were off just 2 Trillion
Investigation and oversight is needed..........
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08:56 PM on 08/07/2011
While the GOP was on a binge with two wars, unfunded mandates, cuts , unemployment, they send the tab to the other table who ate off the prix fix dinner menu.
10:41 PM on 08/07/2011
Your are absolutely correct. The GOP put the items you list on the national credit card and when the bill comes in they do not want to pay. Members of the GOP tell us they want to run the country like a business. How could you stay in business this way???
08:39 PM on 08/07/2011
Or, maybe Standard and Poor is part of the Extreme Far Right's War on America.
08:36 PM on 08/07/2011
Standard & Poor's cited "the difficulties of bridging the gulf between the political parties" Well they did,Darn I thought this was called Democracy