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Posted: 10/07/2012 12:01 am

This week saw the first presidential debate. The main topic was the economy, but we heard more about Big Bird than jobs or the foreclosure crisis. Also missing: President Obama, who was more present on stage with Eastwood in Tampa than with Romney in Denver. It wasn't a bad metaphor for the last three years: one side lying about tax cuts and deficits, the other defensive and unwilling to fight for its own job-creating policies. The election narrative shifted again on Friday when the latest jobs report showed a drop in unemployment to 7.8 percent. Republicans screamed fraud, with no basis in reality. But lest we pop the champagne too soon, remember that at the present rate of 114,000 jobs added a month, it would take over a decade to reach full employment. A celebration based on such meager numbers underscores just how badly we need a real debate on the economy.

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10:26 PM on 10/07/2012
We have to face the possibility that the economic crisis is bigger than any of our current leaders. The public, to the extent it is content with either option, doesn't really "get it" either. As a result, we may be the generation that can't!
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
10:48 PM on 10/07/2012
What if the answer is that our current leaders aren't up to the job at hand?
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LaurieAnn
Charity is NOT a substitute for justice.
09:53 PM on 10/07/2012
A real debate on the economy would also have to include the nature of our current capitalist economic system.  A relative few get wealthy, and even super-wealthy at the expense of the vast majority of citizens. Currently  sophisticated world-wide financial markets and overseas production of goods at near-starvation wages allow the wealthy to continue to make money no matter what happens with the national economy.  The wealthy have no incentive to create jobs in the U.S. under these conditions.  If we want lower unemployment, we're going to have to change our economic system to achieve it.
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LaurieAnn
Charity is NOT a substitute for justice.
09:45 PM on 10/07/2012
The only guaranteed way that the government (federal, state or local) can directly increase employment is to increase spending on government services; thereby spurring public employment.  Public employment increases will result in increased discretionary income which will increase spending for private sector goods and services.  Tax cuts to the wealthy and large loopholes for corporations do not directly affect private sector employment; if they did unemployment would be decreasing and new jobs would be increasing.  Supply side economics does not work.  It's a failed experiment.  Until democrats have the guts to say this loudly and often, and republicans are willing to try something different for the long-term good of the nation nothing will chance.  In this era of globalization, large businesses and corporations are largely influenced by labor costs and demand for goods and services.  Something over which our government has no direct control in our current capitalist system.  
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Sarah Cuse
nattering nabob of negativity
09:34 PM on 10/07/2012
FYI: Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter admitted on CNN's "OutFront" tonight that their claim that Mitt Romney's tax plan costs $5 trillion is untrue.

Burnett explained closing deductions is what solves the amount of revenue lost by the lowering of tax rates.

"Well, okay, stipulated. It won't be near $5 trillion but it's also not going to be the sum of $5 trillion in the loopholes that he's going to close," Cutter responded.

Cutter eventually acknowledged that the closing of deductions accounts for at least four trillion of the five trillion in lost revenues she claims that will not be collected in taxes.

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09:02 PM on 10/07/2012
" ...the other defensive and unwilling to fight for its own job-creating policies."

It's funny, because if this administration did anything to help the economy it would be bragging about it night and day right now.
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CommonSenseAmerican
Occam's Razor isn't something you shave with!
06:56 PM on 10/07/2012
Arianna, you mentioned in your column that Obama was unable to fight for his job creating policies......Im wondering if you or anyone here can actually name 1 or 2 or 3 specific policies that Obama has put in place that has bettered the economy? Not trying to be flippant, I just cannot think of one.
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Tom Lamoreux
It's Not My Fault You voted for him!
06:29 PM on 10/07/2012
Seriously, the big bird comment is SO overplayed! it was one small remark as a for example type of comment.
To say the claims of fraud have no basis in reality is just as biased as those who claim the numbers are skewed by insiders trying to affect the elction.
The idea that Dems are celebrating the unemployment returning to the same number it was 45 months when Obama took office is the same as a Wide Receiver spiking the ball in the end zone while taunting the crowd with his team down 45-7 in the 4th Qtr. - Get Real!
At this rate of 114,000 jobs created, it would take us until the year 2025 to recover the jobs the jobs lost during the past 5 years.
Not to mention that when you consider there are a little over 100 million working age adults in the country, yet we have 23 million un & underployed - so if you believe the unemployment rate is only 7% or 8% then you're fooling yourself anyway.
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maclfam
07:13 PM on 10/07/2012
The unemployment RATE was 7.8% last month; of course that's not the whole unemployment picture. No one is claiming it is.
The BIg Bird comment is just a small sample of what will happen to Mr. Romney when (IF) he gives more specifics of his economic and tax plans. He has refused to give any details of his ideas.
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Tom Lamoreux
It's Not My Fault You voted for him!
07:27 PM on 10/07/2012
most presidential candidates don't offer much more specifics than he has already, Obama didn't in 2008, and usually they do talk in broad terms. i get the impression people are expecting him to specify the exact office building & manufacturing plant where the jobs will be - nobody does that in a campaign.
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Heroldness
from the frozen Northland
06:14 PM on 10/07/2012
How do you have a debate with someone who suddenly changes the essence of his platform that he just spent months building? Isn't that kind of like trying to deliver a blow to a boxer who keeps moving from left to right and everywhere in between in the wink of an eye? Romney has become a moving target that the President is going to have to drop a net on to pin him down. That might be great for the boxing arena but disasterous for the political arena where you have to prove your idea is better than his. How does anyone even know what Romney's idea is anymore or whether it will be the same five minutes from now?
06:11 PM on 10/07/2012
but why debate the economy when we can debate non-issues like women's bodies or the fake gas crisis or even illegal immigration?

conservatives are the masters of fake crises
05:31 PM on 10/07/2012
Come on this is 2012 and in the USA.
It is a shame that the numbers and statements only come to light when we with open minds want to look at them . So the truth will set us free to understand where we really are in HISTORY!
WAG THE TAIL OF THE DOG AS GONE ON TO LONG?
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Robert J. Feldman
Lawyer www.newyork-criminal-defense.com
05:18 PM on 10/07/2012
"Also missing: President Obama, who was more present on stage with Eastwood in Tampa than with Romney in Denver"

Brilliant writing Arianna!

We do recognize how difficult it must be to lead this great Nation and simultaneously prepare for and then debate with a such a slick shameless dissembler who will say absolutely anything to further his ambition.

However, because of the utmost necessity of preventing that character from ascending to the Presidency, we are confident that at the next debate, the President will be truly in the passionate present and refrain from looking down at his notes obsessively. And we hope he can eliminate that awkward momentary professorial pause before he responds to every question.

All our lives and liberties depend on it!
08:32 PM on 10/07/2012
"Lead this great nation "??? Was he "leading" from the set of The View or Letterman? The "no time to prepare" argument is silly at best.
04:46 PM on 10/07/2012
What lying are you talking about? I find it really disturbing that people say Romney is lying but no proof of what he is "supposedly" lying about. And did you really say that Obama has "Job creating policies"? Really ???? We haven't seen them in the almost four years he has been in office!!
06:13 PM on 10/07/2012
you can't see them because conservatives have blocked every one, just like they said they would

party before country: the conservative mantra
annyp
A Canuck, eh!
04:43 PM on 10/07/2012
For the 114,000 that got jobs, means something to them. These are people not some media talking point that this isn't good enough. The media is the problem in the country due to negativity 24/7.
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DwightBurdick
04:34 PM on 10/07/2012
Come on, Arianna, a "real debate"?

How can we have a "real debate" under the auspices of the Commission on Presidential Debates? This little travesty is naught but a creation of the combined Democrat and Republican Parties (the Republocrats), subsidized largely by 6 corporate underwriters, and gracing “We the 99%” with the media blue smoke and mirrors of a format, questions, content, and oversight designed in secret by this “Commission”, in reality the 1%.

When I was still middle aged, in the early 1980’s, and before, we had real debates presented independent of either Party or their corporate owners by the League of Women Voters. Between 1984 and 1988, smarting by the inclusion of John Anderson in 1980 debate over the objection of Jimmy Carter, and the refusal by the LOWV to knuckle under to rules secretly composed by the campaigns of George H.W. Bush and Michael Dukakis in 1984, the LOWV withdrew rather than perpetrate a fraud on the American people. In 1987, leaders of the newly formed Commission, Frank Fahrenkopf of the RNC and Paul G. Kirk of the DNC, made it clear that every effort would be exerted to exclude third party candidates.

Coincident with the “Debacle from Denver”, Democracy Now aired a simulcast from Littleton, CO, with Rocky Anderson and Dr. Jill Stein following Rombama as “they” answered each question.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/10/4/expanding_the_debate_watch_democracy_nows_full_three_hour_special
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janmB
loves life
04:30 PM on 10/07/2012
A real debate on the economy huh. We just need a new congress that will work with Obama instead of against him which would help. The biggest problem we can't solve is the fact technology--automation with the help of globalization has taken a lot of jobs away forever. Not an easy thing to solve population growth where there are more people than good jobs for them.
What might help is raising the tariffs so companies going overseas for cheaper help won't be able to sell products in the USA cheaper than companies making stuff and selling it here. That would certainly help the job situation.
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JimBobPete
If "less is more", is more worth less?
09:02 PM on 10/07/2012
... raising the tariffs ... You mean protectionism? Well then, they can do like we do.!
Say good bye to free trade, where our big economy has the advantage.!
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janmB
loves life
11:36 AM on 10/08/2012
Until I read this---- how the Chinese use "freetrade"to extort US technology:
General Electric has handed over aviation avionics technology to the state-owned Aviation Industry Corp. of China.
Westinghouse Electric has provided some 75,000 documents in an initial technology transfer to gain a share in China's burgeoning nuclear power market.
And Ford Motor Co. is ready to share proprietary technologies for electric vehicles in exchange for selling cars in China.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/free-trade-us-unemployment_b_945805.html?ir=World
Most free traders are so religiously committed to the doctrine that they can't even imagine the possibility that they might be wrong. Trade isn't a zero-sum game, but it certainly has winners and losers.
America right now is being inexorably stripped of its most valuable industries by its naïve embrace of one-sided free trade. Here's the Harvard Business Review's list of industries we have already lost:
Fabless chips; compact fluorescent lighting; LCDs for monitors, TVs and handheld devices like mobile phones; electrophoretic displays; lithium ion, lithium polymer and NiMH batteries; advanced rechargeable batteries for hybrid vehicles; crystalline and polycrystalline silicon solar cells, inverters and power semiconductors for solar panels; desktop, notebook and netbook PCs; low-end servers; hard-disk drives; consumer networking gear such as routers, access points, and home set-top boxes; advanced composite used in sporting goods and other consumer gear; advanced ceramics and integrated circuit packaging.