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Turns out the Republicans were against raising the deficit until they were for it -- at least when it comes to extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans (a move that comes with a budget price tag of $700 billion over the next decade). Whenever they are asked to explain the contradiction, the suddenly-plucked deficit hawks -- led by John Boehner -- fall back on the canard that if the Bush cuts are allowed to expire, more jobs will be lost. This reveals a total lack of understanding about how jobs are -- and aren't -- created. Hint: it has nothing to do with the personal tax rate of the people running the business. It has everything to do with demand -- from consumers, advertisers, government contracts, etc. When businesses have more demand, they hire more people. Simple. Maybe Boehner can skip a few rounds of golf and take an Economics 101 class.

 
 
 

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Claireify
Annoying grammar geek.
12:25 AM on 08/16/2010
I keep hearing phrases such as "the real problem is..." or "the problem is easy to fix by..." or "What we need to do is..." and my favorite "Why doesn't Obama just issue an executive order to..."

PEOPLE, PLEASE look at the BIG PICTURE! There are so many elements influencing this mess we're in today. READ! ANALYZE! EXAMINE! EDUCATE YOURSELVES POLITICALLY. CHALLENGE AUTHORITY. And please don't take for "TRUTH" everything you hear on TV or hear from your neighbor.

Almost everyone has something on someone in Washington. Deals are made based on fear of being "found out." And once the decent ones are "IN" they can't check out.

There's no easy fix as long as we have an abundance of greedy, heartless robots in Washington, looking for ways to protect themselves, never thinking abou future impact. Their tiny brains cannot process anything beyond campaigning. The Repugnants lie and twist words with such conviction that thousands of Americans nod their heads in agreement because they have no minds of their own. They are clueless, and sadly, some are just plain stupid. Among the Dems---Weiner, Franks, Sanders and Grayson have shown some chutzpah. What about the rest of you spineless pussycats?

Allowing the wealthy to keep their tax cuts WILL NOT CREATE JOBS. This is brainwashing at its zenith! Do the math. Wake up, and smell the Sanka, America. You don't know it yet but can't afford coffee anymore.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
09:53 PM on 08/15/2010
CUT THE P00R and MIDDLE-CLASS Social Security and Medicare!

Save the RICHEST FAMILIES PRIVILEGED 16.1% EFFECTIVE TAX RATE - Lowest in the Civilized/Industrialized WORLD!

Lower than PRE-GREAT DEPRESSION of 1920's!
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Gigi Jacobs
Devloper, small business owner, although recent st
04:28 AM on 08/16/2010
Is it even as high as 16.1%? I thought it was closer to a measly 13%.

And why are not all the news agencies talking about this effective rate BEFORE we even get to a discussion about keeping a tax cut or not? Why are there not show after show proving the effective tax rate for the wealthy is way below what even the poor pay in percentages?

Would this news not make a big difference to those deciding what to do?

I had to try and educate a friend with a few examples of the effective tax rate, by dividing the amount paid in tax divided by the total income...but see, she won't believe it if I say it. It needs to be broadcast from here to eternity so that people will understand that the middle class and the poorer classes are actually paying a progressive tax rate.

Where are the programs on TV and other mediums explaining the true tax rates? Where are they ? I'm dead serious. I've written Rachel Maddow about 14 times asking why not a show on what the real tax rates are for the wealthy. I mean, anyone that was thinking of letting them keep the tax cut should change their mind right on the spot if they knew what the effective tax rate was.

WHERE ARE ALL THE NEWS SEGMENST AND PROGRAMS DISCUSSING THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATES FOR PEOPLE MAKING OVER $250,000 A YEAR???????
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
09:48 PM on 08/15/2010
As things stand right now with WTO/GATT/ rules in place, what we would "demand" (buy) would benefit the countries that produce what we would demand. Until WE can produce what we, the people want, here, we will benefit other countries' economies. It's time to roll back the tax INCENTIVES (can you believe there are "incentives"?) for big corporations to produce what they sell here, abroad, with foreign - very, very cheap-- labor (in other words selling to themselves, using very, very cheap labor), we will not see a return to a healthy "main street" here. We want these countries to have happy main streets too, but not on an insane, UNFAIR playing field.

If China has learned from this experience with "free trade" is that it is as good as we are to providing for its people, then it should go for it, for ITS people. And this goes for many other countries, now that they have learned the "good" from capitalism. Let them develop their own national capitalism (if we want to call it that). But please leave our own capitalism alone.

We are being bled dry by the excesses of "free trade". Time to return to what our Founding Fathers had in mind when weaning themselves from English trade oppression, time to look after our own. Each country should go back to producing themselves what their people need, now that we have spread the "know-how". It isn't capitalist, it isn't protectionist, it isn't socialistic, it's SANITY.
10:17 PM on 08/15/2010
It's pretty well accepted within the economics profession that countries should focus on where they have a comparative advantage and should freely trade among each other. Capital is more efficiently utilized and greater wealth is created. china produces cheap, easily reproduced goods more cost effectively than us and we produce high tech goods more effectively then them. we're all better off focusing on what we do best and then trading with each other. If we blocked their imports and produced those goods here, they would cost more adn we couldn't buy as many of them as we can now. I know this oversimplifies things, but at a high level it summarizes it. the problem for America is that as our education system fails many poorer people, and we have too many unskilled workers. they can't find jobs producing the products for which America has a competitive advantage. they get left behind as the unskilled jobs move elsewhere.
12:07 AM on 08/16/2010
You're ignoring the amount of skilled jobs that have moved overseas. There are skilled workers here for those jobs. It was just way cheaper to have the skilled workers in China or India do the jobs.

It's not all about the education, skills, and experience. We have a higher standard of living. From an economic perspective, that is being equalized.
09:40 PM on 08/15/2010
Arianna is oversimplifying things a bit as are republicans who pitch tax cuts as solutions to everything. She and most everyone in congress should take some advanced economic classes. It's very complicated. Way more complicated than either side lets on to. I do believe that tax increases will cause business owners who file S or as LLC's to cut back investment. I work for a company owned by a family and they pay taxes as an S corp. they will have less cash flow if taxes are raised and they will reduce investments as a result. Most job creation is by smaller businesses and many of these pay tax a S corps. Increasing taxes will hit the people most likely to invest in this economy. I would rather have these private business owners decide how to most efficiently allocate capital than the government. That's something most people miss with the taxation debate. Who do you want making decisions on how capital is deployed? Those arguing for higher taxes in essence believe the government makes better decisons. I find that hard to accept. Obviously, the gov't needs more revenue to reduce deficits, and taxes have to increase, but we have to be careful not to load them on too much. A lot of these "rich people" employ a lot of us. I would like to see them keep investing so the rest of us have job opportunities.
09:45 PM on 08/15/2010
I must have missed something. Aren't these above the line taxes? They make enough profit to be in the top 2%?
10:08 PM on 08/15/2010
"above the line"?
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Gigi Jacobs
Devloper, small business owner, although recent st
04:40 AM on 08/16/2010
Wow, talk about taking some classes in economics.....? I own a corporation ..a C corporation. Either way, if tax rates are high, that's when I will invest because all that investment is a tax deduction. If tax rates are low, I'm not going to get as much money back for investing since the rates are lower.

If anything, it's just the opposite of what you are saying. See, I don't want to pay anymore to the government than I legally have to. If there were enough demand for my products, which there is not during this recession-and that's the real problem-with my business to begin with, then I would try and spend as much as i can on business expenses that are deductible...such as hiring an employee-if tax rates go up. Hiring an employee is a tax deduction. Investing in expansion is a tax deduction. Why would I spend that money when tax rates are low. Then I'm going to keep the money and put it in savings.

Now, if tax rates are higher, and like I said, there was enough demand for products-which there isn't-then I would spend as much as I possibly can during the years when tax rates are high because i can offset the high taxes with the deductions of hiring and expanding.

That's the real world of business and taxes. I'm not sure where you got your deductions from at all!
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cjgnew
09:34 PM on 08/15/2010
Essentially, you are correct! The more productive and efficient everybody is, the greater the wealth that everyone can enjoy.
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Strings55
A scoundrel still loved by Jesus
09:14 PM on 08/15/2010
Two things:

1.) Cuts or no cuts, its the uncertainty that's tamping down everything.

For example:

As long as businesses, especially small businesses can't be sure of what kind of health care or other costs they'll be taking on, They won't be hiring. It won't matter what temporary tax incentives there may be, available, hiring someone is a long term commitment to a major expense.

2.) A historical example of what tax policy and government intervention can do to to hamper employment.

Back in 93' Congress passed a 10% luxury tax on yachts. Of course, the idea was to increase revenue. Heck, those rich guys have deep pockets. Just charge them extra for their toys and they won't even miss it, right?

Wrong.

Rich people spent money elsewhere. They aren't stupid. As a result the boat building industry on the east coast was decimated. Boat businesses closed or cut back. Vendors for those businesses did likewise. Employees were laid off and went on unemployment. Bottom line revenue increase from the tax bill was Zilch.

The bill was repealed three years later.
09:23 PM on 08/15/2010
Nice insight. right now, one of the biggest drags on the economy is the lack of business investment. Businesses are sitting on their hands because of the uncertainty about health care costs,personal tax rates (which affect business cash flows if filing S or as an LLC), cap gains rates, cap and trade (energy costs and possible penalties for carbon usage), etc. How can a business in good faith take much risk in this environment?
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Strings55
A scoundrel still loved by Jesus
11:33 PM on 08/15/2010
I had considered buying into a franchise business at one point, but there's no way I'm leveraging myself into that kind of debt in this environment. I'd have a better shot making it across I-35 during rush hour with a blindfold and earplugs.

No. Thanks.
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09:12 PM on 08/15/2010
Mr. Boehner's vacation from reality signifies that he is not serious about deficit reduction, or creating new jobs. Just as his colleague in the Senate, Mitch McConnell is unbelieveable in his pronouncements that the GOP will exercise fiscal responsibility (Mr. McConnell was the reigning king of pork when Repuiblicans last held power, and made no apologies for his earmarks). The GOP still has a tough sell with many voters going into this year's mid-terms, because of recent memories of the so-called conservatives who started us on this big-government spending spree and unregulated oversight of the financial markets. People may be mad at the Democrats now, but they are not ready to trust the Republicans.
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DaveCarroll4
Retired Substance Abuse Counselor. Long-time Democ
08:58 PM on 08/15/2010
Here is the future America envisioned by Republicants... We Aristocants drove around the slums this Sunday throwing candy out the windows. They were so grateful to see we hadn't forgotten about them, that is was heart-warming. This Sunday in Chicago, the Aristocants went to the slums and passed out 300 food vouchers to a crowd of about 30,000. They had to pass them out the window of their cars for security reasons. Sunday in L.A.: East L.A. residents woke up to the Grand Opening of their first government soup kitchen, La Mendigo! This Sunday in a Birmingham slum, door-to-door delivery of the first monthly $50 food vouchers was a overwhelming success. All vouchers were in place before daylight, an anonymous spokesman said. This Sunday, after Saturday's announcement of budget excess, derived from the 39% tax cuts for those making over $1M/Year, the Administration proclaimed its new program for Free Burials for all homeless citizens who starve to death or die from exposure. New Flash: Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan announced an Absolute commitment to donate $1B each to America's Starving beggars. Sunday News Headline: China and India begin outsourcing to the United States, taking advantage of the abundance of cheap labor! Grateful Americans dance in the streets! This Sunday: Mexico announces new policy for ever increasing problem with Americans illegally fleeing across border!
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mtnthunder
09:35 PM on 08/15/2010
I'd laugh if I didn't think that scenario possible under Republican rule.
It is their Utopia, our doom
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09:36 PM on 08/15/2010
Fanned and favored.... this is reminiscent of Boss Tweed who passed out turkeys or coal to the Irish poor in NYC in the 1870s for votes... Except this is on a way grander scale.
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Mark Knudsen
08:56 PM on 08/15/2010
A parting shot before I go to bed you all have the answers to problems discussed here today now What you going to do about it besides talk how bout getting a uniform on and take to the field and show us how to do it or if i hold my breath waiting will I turn blue waiting or worse get your sorry deary-eras in gear or keep quite enough talk let's see some action talk is easy any one with a mouth can do it... the old viking
08:53 PM on 08/15/2010
The real problem is getting back well-paying manufacturing jobs. Interesting analysis here
http://ofthisandthat.org/LettertoPresident.html
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Darrick Ensey
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08:49 PM on 08/15/2010
If extending the tax cuts will create jobs, what is the reason the jobs were lost?
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09:36 PM on 08/15/2010
Please tax cuts NEVER created jobs... middle class employment with good wages increases demand and that create jobs. Not the crap going down right now.
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Darrick Ensey
:)
10:23 PM on 08/15/2010
I absolutely agree... Just as long as you know that :)
11:09 PM on 08/15/2010
Take a look at history and study the Reagan tax cuts and the economic boom that followed. what do you think people do when they have more money left over in their paychecks? Most spend it. the question is who do you trust to more efficiently allocate capital: private consumers and businesses or the gov't?
08:49 PM on 08/15/2010
We have the tax cuts now - and non-gov plus private hiring was close to zero over 8 years (about 1 million even) - and the tax cut caused hiring sure was delayed - tax cuts were passed in the first few months of the Bush presidency - and it was over 2 years later that job loss stopped and we started to gain jobs via the housing bubble.
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Claireify
Annoying grammar geek.
12:55 PM on 08/16/2010
Let me try to follow your incomplete sentences and lousy syntax. So you're saying Bush took office in 2000 and by 2002. job losses stopped. Completely. That's funny because I don't remember unemployment (statistics for which are bogus anyway) was that high before 2000. Then you say "we started to gain jobs via the housing bubble." So, what does that mean exactly?Housing values went down when the bubble burst and that led to more jobs? For whom? Can you clarify and write without abbreviations.
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peterg76
Freelance medical transcriptionist
08:43 PM on 08/15/2010
Just because Boehner says something ignorant doesn't mean he doesn't understand. He could just be lying.
09:23 PM on 08/15/2010
Truly, when he opens his mouth, when isn't he lying?
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
08:35 PM on 08/15/2010
"Hey Debbie, I just got us another tax cut. Now we can go out and hire some more people"

"John, you're not going to hire anyone, not until I get a new fur coat and that diamond necklace I've been wanting for months"

"Yes dear, you're right, I guess I just wasn't thinking straight. Besides, I can get more work out of the employees we have.................all I have to do is rumor another layoff, and productivity rises. Why hire more people when I can get more work from the people we already have without paying a dime more?"

Twilight zone?................no reality.

A reality that the "tax cuts for the wealthy crowd refuses to acknowledge. Tax cuts for the rich is just that, tax cuts for the rich. It has nothing to do with unemployment.
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Spin Sniper
08:25 PM on 08/15/2010
Boehner might play some golf, but at least he doesn't send his wife on vacation to Spain at the taxpayer's expense.
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chocolateandcheese
Imagine if we could get 99% voter turnout
08:28 PM on 08/15/2010
No, he plays golf on the taxpayers' expense.
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chocolateandcheese
Imagine if we could get 99% voter turnout
08:29 PM on 08/15/2010
Over $80,000 a year of golf at the taxpayers expense is much worse.
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punkingale
My wants are simple. My needs are few.
09:16 PM on 08/15/2010
And Boehner isn't even our First Lady, representing all of us!!