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The Winner of Debate II? "That One"


In Debate II, John McCain twice laid out the criteria for how the American people should judge the candidates: In tough times, we need someone with a steady hand on the tiller.

By that measure, Obama was the clear winner. He was centered where McCain was scattered. Forceful where McCain was forced. Presidential where McCain was petulant.

In the first debate, McCain wouldn't look at Obama. In this one, he referred to him as "that one." The contempt was palpable, and unpalatable.

In the run-up to the debate, McCain lowered himself into the sewer in a desperate attempt to portray Obama as dangerous, untrustworthy, a risk too big to take.

But Obama's measured reasonableness totally countered that caricature. You could fault Obama for not being particularly inspiring, but you could not miss the rock steady competence he exuded -- authoritatively delivering substantive answers to questions on the economy, health care, taxes, and foreign policy.

He scored with his history lesson, reminding voters of the economy the Republicans inherited, and how they squandered that inheritance.

He scored with his reminder of how much the war in Iraq is costing America and the enormous strain that puts on our economy -- as well as our national security.

He scored when he declared that affordable health care is a "right" of every American and not, as McCain put it, a "responsibility" of... he actually didn't specify who.

And Obama scored big when he gave voice to the vast gulf between the two candidates' -- and the two parties' -- position on the role of government in our lives, invoking JFK's commitment to put a man on the moon in 10 years as an example of what can be done in fueling a new alternative energy-based economy, and pointing out how government investment played a key role in developing the tech advances that have driven our economy for the last two decades.

McCain, like Palin last week, couldn't decide if government is the enemy or the deep-pocketed benefactor that is going to buy up all the bad mortgages in America.

Is "a government-bought house on every lot" the 21st century equivalent of "a chicken in every pot"?

McCain also provided the debate's strangest moments, twice chiding Obama for backing an "overhead projector" in a planetarium, and raising the idea of "gold-plated Cadillac" insurance policies that pay for hair transplants. Huh?

McCain also told us he knows how to fix the economy, knows how to win wars, and knows how to capture bin Laden. Is there a reason he's keeping all these a secret?

The debate ended on a question Tom Brokaw described as having "a certain Zen-like quality": "What don't you know and how will you learn it?"

Both men used the opportunity to pivot from the Moment of Zen into impassioned but familiar stump speech stories about single moms (Obama) and absent fathers (McCain), about the American Dream (Obama) and the country put first (McCain), about the need for fundamental change (Obama) and the desire for another opportunity to serve (McCain).

At the end of the debate, Brokaw asked McCain to get out of the way of his Teleprompter, so he could sign off.

Brokaw might as well have been speaking on behalf of the future: Senator McCain can you please get out of the way so we can get on with it?

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In Debate II, John McCain twice laid out the criteria for how the American people should judge the candidates: In tough times, we need someone with a steady hand on the tiller. By that measure, Obama...
In Debate II, John McCain twice laid out the criteria for how the American people should judge the candidates: In tough times, we need someone with a steady hand on the tiller. By that measure, Obama...
 
 
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09:18 PM on 10/12/2008
In case you haven't heard the infamous 'BOMB IRAN' song. Kudos to Chris Matthews for calling McCain on his smiling while singing this. I used visuals from Iraq, etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLv4mtwsRos
08:20 PM on 10/12/2008
Winner ? Be serious . The debate was imbecilic. Mencken said it best about this debate- and all the others in this campaign- 80 years ago. " It was like two dogs ,barking idiotically through the night."
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girlwild
Corporations aren't people until Texas executes 1
06:36 PM on 10/12/2008
Everyone I've spoken to after the debate likened McCain to a doddering old man wandering around the stage, that he looked really old and not up to the office of the presidency.
06:30 PM on 10/12/2008
Some company should print up some Obama "The One" bumper stickers. I am so tired of "W" bumper stickers.
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AdobePhsyko
This has to be the disease for you
03:46 PM on 10/12/2008
Don't let the door hit you in the Ass, Johnny
01:35 PM on 10/12/2008
hehehe, the best explanation i heard for the "that one" utterance was: it was a senior moment.
11:23 AM on 10/12/2008
There is an underlying theme that has been said to be racist. Indeed, this is only part of the subtext. In listening to Palin's accaptance speech what struck me was shades of a late 1920's National Socialist platform of KINDER< KIRCHE & KUCHEN. Translated this is hearth, religion/church and family/children. Translated to the current vernacular cultural context this says: if you are not right wing, white, and having many children and consider "the other" as foreign and dangerous then you are unpatriotic and a danger to the public discourse and society. This is the divide that has not been voiced in this election cycle. Chicky
09:20 AM on 10/12/2008
Sideline Observations..."Who Won the Debate?...."That One"!

My son, who missed the debate, asked me what Senator Obama's response was to being referred to as "that one". Surely Senator Obama must have had the urge to take McCain out back and open up a can of South Chicago whup a__ on him. But once again he prevailed with his calm, confident, knowledgeable and Presidential demeanor. Senator Obama outshone his opponent by effectively addressing the real issues that concern the middle class. It's become even more apparent that McCain will do and say anything to win, honor be damned. If he and his surrogates continue their current fierce campaign of fear and smear politics, it will be entirely appropriate for Senator Obama in his final debate closing remarks to address Senator McCain as follows, "John we've worked together in the past and I have hope that with the healing that comes with the passing of time, we will be able to work together during my administration, but, right here, right now, I have to tell you that I am genuinely embarrassed for you. I've meant it when I've honored your service and expressed my admiration for the courage you displayed in captivity, but you have besmirched your name and your honor by running the most vile and mean-spirited campaign this country has witnessed in modern times. And so tonight all I can really bring myself to share with you is shame on you, John McCain, shame on you.
08:48 PM on 10/11/2008
The media is overflowing with the reasons I can't vote for McCain, but it is seriously underreporting the reasons why I can’t vote for Obama.

He used technicalities to remove his three African American opponents from the ballot in Chicago. He clearly values winning more than he values the will of the people.

His “new” ideas for “change” are just a bunch of obsolete Canadian policies. Canada discarded these Obama policies starting around 1996 because they just don’t work. Clearly Obama does not value new ideas or change – or honesty. The Canadianization of America

He said that small town Americans are bitter and cling to their guns and religion and they have lost faith in government because they have lost jobs. Clearly Obama is a racist and an elitist who wants to help these small town Americans by replacing their self-reliance with dependency on government – if only that darned Bill-of-Rights didn’t keep getting in the way. America Clings to the Bill of Rights

He blames Republicans, deregulation, and free-markets for the economic crisis when the real cause is Democrats, regulation, and government. Even worse, throughout 2008 he has tried to worsen the economic crisis for political gain by trying to reduce confidence and trust. The Great Depression of 2008

He used dishonest tactics to train and finance a dishonest and racist ACORN agenda to create a proliferation of subprime loans. O’s Dangerous Pals
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10:01 AM on 10/12/2008
Leeroy .. IT MUST BE LONELY WHERE YOU ARE. WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS POST RACIAL POLITICS. GET USED TO THE IDEA...
03:16 AM on 10/11/2008
I now understand why McCain chose Palin as his running mate,he is just as clueless and confused as she is !!! Here is an email I just received and want to pass along....http://actionfund.defenders.org/palinpups
12:54 AM on 10/11/2008
Hello to all commentators,

All the commercials, pundits, gaffes, personal attacks, and the MSM will not dictate the outcome of this election. THE GROUND GAME IS WHERE ELECTIONS ARE WON, AND LOST!

Before you go to the next left leaning article to comment on, or right leaning article to start an argument with a repug (which will no doubt end with them calling you an unpatriotic socialist wimp) I suggest that you get in the game.

Please visit my personal fundraising page below:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/craigcubberly

If you cannot afford to donate money there are many other ways to help below :

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/statepages

Take a look. It is a lot of fun, and very satisfying to get involved. You will really feel as though you are making a difference.

Thanks Craig
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zoetrope
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King
08:43 PM on 10/10/2008
Thank You Mr. McCain!
I would love to see bumper stickers on cars all over our Nation saying "Vote for That One".
08:24 AM on 10/11/2008
President That One

That One For President

I (heart) That One

That One/Biden '08

too much fun.........
08:04 PM on 10/10/2008
It seems McCain is trying to taunt Obama into losing his cool by ever more viscious taunts and charges. What he forgets is that the minority experience in America (Read Obama's "Dreams from My father" ) has given him experience in this his whole life, as I would expect many minorities would agree to. I am white, but have both black and hispanic friends and hear from both of them that if you go about with anger and 'losing your cool' you will be in a constant fight. There are just way too many whites that can't/won't share the pie.
08:00 PM on 10/10/2008
In many respects we've come a LONG WAY...

This is from a 1965 Voting Rights Act National commercial: Things Are Changing

http://current.com/items/89388751_obama_08_things_are_changing

So many of the issues are identical to today. And yet, in vast ways as a country and people, we've come a long, long way...
05:16 PM on 10/10/2008
I'm 24 y/o & I was raised in a Republican household. I since have established my own political views & become an Independent (much to the disappointment of my mother). Although I haven't completely decided on a candidate yet, Mr. McCain has been making himself look more & more like a pompous ass lately & Mr. Obama has been looking better & better. I'm completely appalled by the lack of respect & disregard not only McCain shows (at 72 years old no less!), but his family & even Sarah Palin shows towards Obama.

Examples:
(1) McCain won't even look Obama in the eye when he addresses him
(2) McCain's older daughter states in an interview that "NO family knows or has experienced war like MY family has..."; talk about being rood & insensitive to the THOUSANDS of other U.S families that have relatives fighting overseas!!
(3) McCain refers to Obama using terms such as "that one"... show him the same respect he shows you & use his name!!
(4) Palin refers to Obama as "our opponent"... the man has a name woman, use it!!

Unlike MILLIONS of Americans, I don't fully follow nor do I trust ANYTHING that news stations report just based on the fact that they're all so one sided & deceptive to a certain degree. I personally think ANYONE who bases their full opinions on what the news reports about anything is just stupid. They're just telling you what THEY want you to know or hear, if
08:27 AM on 10/11/2008
Celisse, it's probably intentional. It is part of their strategy to make Obama appear inexperienced and incapable and unpresidential. When they treat Senator Obama like an insignificant child or dog, they hope and intend that people will see him that way.