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Arianna Huffington

Posted April 9, 2009 | 05:12 AM (EST)

Tim Geithner, CNBC, and the Second Coming of Known Unknowns


A formerly famous and now mostly forgotten poet of nonsense verse once said: "There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns....there are also unknown unknowns."

That was, of course, Donald Rumsfeld, but it doesn't sound too different from your average briefing/Congressional testimony/interview by Timothy Geithner. Besides being awash in toxic paper, credit default swaps, and collateralized debt obligations, we seem to be drowning in unknowns. Only, I get the sense that there are fewer unknowns than we're being told.

While we're rewarding the risk-taking shareholders of various zombie banks -- not to mention the mysterious, unconfirmed counterparties to AIG's serial recklessness -- how about rewarding the taxpayers, if not with an actual return on our bailout investment then at least with information about what exactly is being done with our money? It's time to call in all the unknowns.

Instead, we're greeted with a wall of manufactured complexity by the people whose job it is to make known unknowns into known knowns. There is nothing complex about the way CEOs like John Thain, Ed Liddy, Lloyd Blankfein, John Mack, Vikram Pandit, and Ken Lewis turned bailout billions into Wall Street bonus money -- and no justification for keeping taxpayers in the dark about the giveaways (Vanity Fair's Michael Shnayerson breaks down the jaw-dropping and blood-boiling numbers).

Which brings us to the holy temple of unknown unknowns -- CNBC. The financial channel's Erin Burnett (Street Signs, Squawk on the Street) was on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday night, suddenly seeing all kinds of complexity, nuance, and ambiguity in what can be known and not known about the economic crisis. Does the government know more than they're telling us, asked Bill.

"I don't think they know," said Burnett. "I don't think anybody knows."

And: "I don't even know that the CEOs themselves know."

And: "Tim Geithner may know more than most, but no, he doesn't know."

And as for whether the financial geniuses at CNBC should have known something:

"It's easy to say [there's] a bubble, but you don't know when it's gonna burst. And I think that the question of timing and magnitude, nobody got. That wasn't just a CNBC pundit thing, that was any expert out there." I guess she missed experts like Roubini and Taleb.

And I certainly don't remember that kind of circumspection in the run up to the meltdown. For a look at what the CNBC sages thought they knew, and how wrong they were, there is, of course, Jon Stewart's already legendary evisceration.

As Stewart shows, the essential truth of what went on is really quite simple. Using complexity as a cover for accountability has a long historical track record of ending in disaster.

"The most dangerous thing in any economic crisis is denial," writes MIT professor Simon Johnson, a former official at the IMF, where he specialized in dealing with banking crises around the world. He's become one of the leaders of the camp arguing that the administration needs to admit the scope of the banking problem and deal with it sooner (wildly expensive) rather than later (insanely and unsustainably expensive). While "the degree of denial in the United States has fallen dramatically," Johnson writes, "there is one major aspect of denial still remaining: the scale and nature of our banking difficulties."

(Johnson, by the way, is doing his part to get rid of unknowns at his blog Baseline Scenario, which includes a terrific primer on the financial crisis.)

Johnson's insights mirror those of Paul Krugman, who writes that "officials still aren't willing to face the facts. They don't want to face up to the dire state of major financial institutions because it's very hard to rescue an essentially insolvent bank without, at least temporarily, taking it over." Not coming clean and doing what needs to be done, adds Krugman, "could result in an economy that sputters along, not for months or years, but for a decade or more."

Speaking of nationalization, CNBC's Burnett told Maher, "Nobody wants it on the left, nobody wants it on the right" -- even as calls for it continue to come from both the left and the right, demonstrating once again how obsolete that way of looking at the world is becoming. America's Business Channel, indeed.

The list of knowable unknowns that we still don't know about includes the final destination of the taxpayer money the government keeps funneling to AIG. The Wall Street Journal reports that around $50 billion of the $173 billion in bailout funds given to the insurance behemoth has gone to pay off financial institutions that had insured their wildly irresponsible credit default swaps with AIG.

So who, exactly, has our money -- and why don't we know? AIG CEO Ed Liddy prefers not to say. Same with the Fed, which refused a congressional request for the names of AIG's derivative counterparties. According to unnamed sources, the list includes Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch/Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, and Deutsche Bank.

It's worth noting that, thanks to the industry-written 2005 Bankruptcy Bill, derivatives claims are not stayed in bankruptcy -- so the financial institutions that gambled and lost would nevertheless be the first ones paid off. Isn't gaming the system fun?

The stimulus package -- and the media's coverage of it -- has also been a hotbed of known unknowns. Or, if you prefer, unreported knowns.

According to a Media Matters study of 59 network news broadcasts about the stimulus in the three weeks prior to the vote, only three mentioned concerns that the package was inadequate -- even though many economists believed it was not big enough to do the job. Another known known treated like an unknown when we most needed to know. And now, of course, we're already getting reports that the bill was, indeed, too small.

I'm not saying that everything about this crisis is knowable -- far from it. But there are a number of very simple truths that are being hidden behind a smokescreen of complexity and unknowability.

It doesn't take a Ph.D. in economics to know that you can't have CEOs whose companies have received billions in bailout funds going to court and threatening to sue employees to keep the public from knowing which executives pocketed millions in bonuses -- and you can't have them pretending that no bailout money was used to pay said bonuses.

You can't have insolvent banks pretending that the problem is one of liquidity, and then using taxpayer money to protect their balance sheets instead of lending money to credit-worthy businesses and consumers.

And, ultimately, you can't allow the same people who were part of the problem to be part of the solution. There is absolutely no way on earth that the same flawed thinking that got us into this mess will ever get us out of it. We need to clean house, taking the steering wheel away from the executives and the compliant boards that steered us over the economic cliff. They didn't get it then; they still don't get it now (see handing out bonuses, hosting spa retreats, redecorating, and throwing lavish parties while America teeters on the verge of economic collapse).

That is something we all know that we know -- even Tim Geithner and the experts at CNBC.


A formerly famous and now mostly forgotten poet of nonsense verse once said: "There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns....there are also unknown unknowns...
A formerly famous and now mostly forgotten poet of nonsense verse once said: "There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns....there are also unknown unknowns...
 
 
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08:51 PM on 03/15/2009
I say time for Jon Stewart and Comedy Centrals crack investigative team to rat out what the gov't, the business networks and the regular news organizations will not or cannot do.
03:47 PM on 03/15/2009
Mr Geitner, ....this hesitancy is all BS...these CEOs are blowing smoke with no cards at all. They are not even in the game - their companies failed. They don't even have their jobs!!! Something doesn't make sense about these supposedly untouchable bonus contracts .

We are hearing there are no strings or conditions whatsoever on these outrageous bonuses, except the player be breathing at the end of the year!!? Even if the conmpany fails? That truly is bad business management , and if I were a stock holder I would push for stock holder revolt and litigation to protect my investment from capricious, self-serving misuse of my money.

But we know bonuses are not deferred salary because at bonus time, there is a high level of nervousness in the ranks of traders, brokers, bank execs, etc...because these bonuses are pegged to performance and are revealed in a context of secrecy because, in worst case but still possible, they might not be handed out at all!!.

Seems what we are really talking about is DEFERRED SALARY instead of "bonus" . And If the banks balk at "deferred", because "deferred" MEANS obligated salary, then we are back to defining bonus as a CONDITIONAL on something....so "bonuses" are NOT WATER-TIGHT , they are subject to the ups and downs of business. So QED, Mr Geitner, go get em.
03:45 PM on 03/15/2009
A panoply of troubled loans, debt securities and debt insurance comprise the "toxic" assets. The "bad bank" spearheaded by Secretary Geithner is touted as necessary to "restart lending." The suggested cost is $1-2 trillion. Government will buy toxic assets for more than market value but less than expected ultimate value, or insure private buyers against losses. Selling companies take losses but get immediate cash to continue their executives' multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses, and pay interest to their holders of bonds and preferred stocks. Any such bad bank plan doesn't directly help housing values, upside down homeowners, defaulting borrowers, or most lenders holding defaulting loans, so, wouldn't solve the most critical problems.

It's absurd that, $2 trillion for the bad bank plus the other $10.2 trillion already committed to various federal bailout efforts, is enough to pay off 100% of the $12.2 trillion of all existing mortgage debt on 1-4 unit U.S. residential properties, or give $44,600 to every American resident over age 18.

An alternative "good government bank" solution, fair to all citizens, quickly rescues the housing market, mortgage borrowers, lenders and the economy all at once, replaces the $10.2 trilllion of all federal bailout commitments to date with one $4.7 trillion program, and is virtually guaranteed to make money for taxpayers while reducing the deficit, is The AllStreets Bailout Plan, detailed at www.themortgagenews.info.
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ProfessorDuh
12:35 PM on 03/15/2009
I am concerned that the Republicans have too much on their plate, and are just trying to do too much at once. They should confine themselves to what they do best -- spitting venom and acidic bile into the faces of their political rivals in vicious attempts to disfigure them -- and leave the policy matters, which they don't really understand anyway, to Democrats. I am worried about those Republicans. The poor dears are spreading themselves too thin.
12:01 PM on 03/15/2009
The federal government has handed over billions of dollars to these financial institutions essentially with no strings attached. Now, no one knows where the money went and the executive bonuses keep on coming. If the Obama administration brain trust cannot control these banks' decisions with regard to bonus payouts to these louts, then we have gained nothing will continue to played as suckers.
09:18 AM on 03/15/2009
Erin is welcomed into the CFR so she does her job to protect the elites by obfuscating. A dangerous game indeed. Sure is fun to watch to guess when the wizard's curtain will be opened and the little "play' emperors will be outed for wearing no cloths. As Cramer learned with Bear, the adults are in charge now and until the corrupt cronies are washed out we will play the system like an organ. Fortunately for us, after 20 years of crony capitalism there is no one left in corporate America with skills and intellect it takes to lead. The system makes it so loser fail up while smart people honest people are flushed out. Well now crony capitalism will get its due.
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zull2
I'm not as here as you think I am?
07:01 AM on 03/15/2009
The problem is, and don't laugh, that these CEOs were promised, in writing in their contracts, that they would receive these bonuses. If you release the numbers that the CEOs were getting, it's not unlike making public the exact amount that an employee received as a severance package. Yes, the bonuses are sleazy, considering the company was supposed to be in serious debt, and they got a bunch of taxpayer money...so you know they're taking that out of the cash they bilked out of the taxpayers by way of Henry Paulson.

And people think corporations are somehow better than government? At least with government, you get a little bit of transparency and insight. You can get the info you need when it comes to government, because you have the option of voting the suckers out otherwise. With corporations, they can bend the same labor laws that protect an employee's privacy to do whatever they want. Like what they're doing now. Invoking Krugman's name over and over isn't going to solve the problem. It's going to take something a little bit more extreme than demanding transparency.
09:13 AM on 03/15/2009
Good point something I constantly point out to people when they degrade government, both business and government are run by humans, it is as if somehow business is staffed by humans and government by some other primates! Both have an equal chance of being corrupt and wasteful. It is simply the people, policies, procedures and processes that are imposed upon that entity that determine the outcome. As someone who has worked on a couple of business turnaround projects I can tell you business is by no means the best at everything. In fact I think most business make money in spite of themselves or because their competitors are as screwed up as they are.
09:24 AM on 03/15/2009
PLease - just as public cos. have been looted by c-level fat cats so to has the public treasury by politicians. The government has no idea how to compete in supply and demand which are markets. Clearly our banks cannot do so either. Govt creates monopolies and screws up the markets with its moves. The Bush irony is govt grew it did not get smaller - it got BIGGER - and govt did no better. Just b/c America's public cos. are run by people who are clueless on how to compete, and common criminals and thieves, and need govt to create monopolies and markets so they have somewhere to sell does not make free markets or show govt can run a business better than a for-profit business.
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Tinkerbellee
06:00 AM on 03/15/2009
Yes, it may well be that they would 'prefer' not to say who has the money, and will continue to attempt to demur on giving answers, but they forget one thing. The funds they receive are utlimately coming from the American taxpayer. It is OUR money - and we have the G.D. RIGHT to know what has been done with it!!!
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MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
01:56 PM on 03/15/2009
Yes Tinkerbelle ... "IT is OUR money -and we have the G.D. RIGHT to know what has been done with it!" ---BUT --- what we don't have - is the Power to Demand it -- the Power to demand Accountability that we allegedly gave the Presidency - seems to be non-existent if Corporate America just doesn't want to... you see, WE DON'T RUN THE COUNTRY, CORPORATE AMERICA RUNS THE COUNTRY - and any ILLUSION you may have had about WE, THE PEOPLE -- running it - is just that - an ILLUSION.

Take a Lesson from the disaster of the Titantic... while thousands of regular joe's and jane's drowned ... - many wealthy people paid off the stewards to be allowed into the first boats - which were lowered with their luggage and their families.. and were only half full at that...and they sat out there and LET the rest of humanity drown ... this Lesson shows us what Money can do ... you, me, John and Jane Q. American can drown... but Big Money will survive - NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY about "fairness" and "responsibility" - nothing has changed about Corporate America/Big Money since April 12, 1912.
03:19 PM on 03/15/2009
You're correct in everything you say except that we can't demand an accounting. The American people CAN stand up in unision and say: I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. Until we "the People"- yes, the very same ones that are allowed to drown while the fat cats float in safety- until we as a unit stick together and DEMAND an end to this free-for-all hand-out with no accountability, this kind of rapacious behavior will continue. That is the one thing the powers-that-be fear: a unified populace.
07:00 PM on 03/14/2009
Mr. Geitner's reticence is a mystery. Just hope it is worth it for the new administration to keep taking it (ok, on the chin) from the bankers.

The banks are essentially kaput yet acting as if entitled to the bailouts and carving bonuses out as if nothing has happened. The bank CEOs are colluding and bullying Mr. Geitner like he is a junior go-fer. Geitner at best comes off as a fresh-faced kid, Where is Mr. Geitners backbone and, supposed, professional foresight in all this?

PS: The paying out of bonuses earlier than their normal payout date to make it appear the bonuses are acts prior to bailout, is transparent deception and should be treated as crimes. What is going on with Geitner, IRS, SEC, Obama ?
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zull2
I'm not as here as you think I am?
07:11 AM on 03/15/2009
You really want an answer to that mystery? The real answer is that corporations suck. That's what it boils down to. To get the transparency and accountability you need out of these corporations, you'd have to enact, essentially, a double standard in regards to labor laws between CEOs, upper management, and the typical "employee". And if you can get that to work, congratulations. You effectively have to retroactively demand a company's ownership to mandate the public exposure of their board of directors/CEO's salary details, and an agreement that those CEOs will allow for their contracts to be edited. If not, and you've already given them the cash...well, there's only one other option, and I'm sure Stalin would have approved of it, but it's a heck of a slippery slope.

It's just not as easy to get transparency out of a corporation as it is to get out of a government. At least with a government, you can vote out the guys who are against doing things in the open. You can't do that with corporations, in fact, the folks (shareholders) who have the power to shake up a board of directors usually have a lot of incentive NOT to do so.
06:15 PM on 03/14/2009
I am writing you in hopes of trying to understand why the government refuses to bite the bullet and focus their actions on the mortgages that seem to be a heat of this crisis. If this economic crisis stems from over leveraged bets on the performance of mortgages doesn't make sense for the government to fix those mortgages and leverage its efforts and resources to in the end stabilize the financial sector? The billions of dollars going to big to payoff failing bets would be much better spent "fixing the game" and writing down the mortgages to sustainable contracts now. While it might offend some it would magnify the government's efforts. If a bunch of bookies screwed up and blew the spread wouldn't they be better off spending a million dollars to fix the game rather than some how trying to figure out how they could fix all the bets?
07:02 PM on 03/14/2009
They pretend (denial) in spite of all evidence to the contrary-that everyone is acting in good faith. If it is not now perfectly obvious that is not the case (see AIG news) -then it never will be to the likes of the deer caught in the headlights. He, after all, is one of the boys and as such was supposed to be able to know the unknowables. Apparently, if he promised that, he was lying. Obviously it's all about them.

While it could be that the so-called "fix" would do the job--it depends on people doing the right thing. And doing it without accountability. Apparently that isn't going to work THIS year and with THIS administration either. How long it takes the president to discover this simple truth is the next "unknowable", apparently. I long for his announcement that he's replacing an insider with an outsider, like Barney Frank or Bernie Sanders. It's not that there is a shortage of talented people willing to ask hard questions. It IS that they have a hard time getting these jobs, for some "unknowable" reason.
12:47 PM on 03/14/2009
On a lighter note:
I laughed so hard last night when Maher said the Obama Admin should replace Geithner with an "actual deer caught in the headlights" and showed a picture of a wided eyed Geithner then a picture of a deer with animated eyes caught in the headlights.
I laughed so hard I missed the rest of the show. Will have to watch the end of it later.
Yeah, simple, kinda stupid - but kinda right on and makes me laugh to keep from crying..
12:01 PM on 03/14/2009
If we are looking for the culprit, perhaps the place to begin is not CNBC or the White House of Bush or Obama. Perhaps the place to begin is in the mirror. I ask myself two questions every time I do that.

First, did anyone really believe the mortgages we were letting, the $150 dollar a barrel oil and the wild west banking we the people allowed to emerge could all co-exist? We knew we were getting taken for a ride and we went along. I won't do it again.

Second, did we engage our leaders? Sixteen pages of comments on this article. Many are insightful get at the issues and clearly articulate what we need our leaders to do. How many of these folks also took time to write their congressman or senator? I hope a lot did.

The government, the press and business still derive their power from our votes, our consumption and our money. We can fix this if we want to. Get mad, get forgiving, get what ever, but get busy.
03:19 PM on 03/14/2009
That's kinda like blaming the wife and children after hubby beat them.

Yes I wrote letters, signed petitions, looked for information. But ultimately, I don't have tons of money, so who's going to listen?

It's been a pay to play operation for a long time.
10:10 PM on 03/14/2009
It's been a pay to play operation for a long time.

Maybe as long as 1776?
06:13 PM on 03/14/2009
Leveraged Credit Defualt Swap risky Short investment insurance(600T$) is causing this crash, not Home Loans(56T$ world total).
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altlic
handyman searching for clues
02:36 PM on 03/13/2009
Revenge or needing some kind of justice is not the point. Practically the entire government as well as the corporate mafia could be implicated in this debacle.

We need TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION.

If everyone stays in denial, the level of trust in our government and institutions will continue to decline, and fragmentation and dysfunction will continue to increase.
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SelenicMagick
Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
02:10 PM on 03/14/2009
People actually TRUST the government? I can't think of a single reason that we *should* trust a government that has a long history of being less than honest with the American people.
09:59 PM on 03/12/2009
Why has everybody been so docile? Families have been torn apart, lives have been destroyed. Doesn't that deserve at least some rotten tomatoes? Does anyone who works in a bank or any other finace agency deserve an ounce of respect? Where have all the cusswords gone? We have never had a better right to be angry.
09:46 PM on 03/12/2009
The federal gov't is acting the way they did during the fall election. They promised change and people put their own fantasies in as that "change" definition.
When some one asked "what is he going to change?", they were booed andh@rr@ssed.
These politicians think that their voters gave them license to do whatever with no accountability. This gov't knows the people that put them in power will not hold them accountable; they are easily distracted by one politician yelling "its Pres Bush's fault. Their voters will take up the cry and forget their original problems.
Politicians gained from this man, money went to Washington, it will never be found.
Layman23
Do we want to live in the past?
04:03 AM on 03/14/2009
huh ? For a moment do you even think how a surplus budget was turned into a deficit by Bush for the last 8 years ? You are wailing about accountability for the last 4 months ? Its amazing how many people have been in a coma for the last eight years.
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Gabrielle
Progressive Liberal
11:21 AM on 03/14/2009
you are so right ....a volunteer coma for lost of them