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Arne Duncan

Arne Duncan

Posted: November 22, 2010 02:34 PM

There's been a great conversation happening online today on the National Day of Blogging for Real Education Reform. I appreciate how many educators have taken time to share their ideas thoughtfully with the rest of us. At the U.S. Department of Education, we've been listening in. I am convinced that the best ideas come from classrooms and communities across the nation. I am committed to supporting the great work that is happening in states and districts.

Today's conversation has focused on many issues that I think we can all agree on:

  • We need to raise expectations for America's students and challenge them with standards that will prepare them for success in colleges and careers.
  • We need to elevate the teaching profession so teachers get the respect they deserve and the tools and time to do their jobs well and continually improve.
  • For education reform to be "real," we need to focus on what works. We need consensus on the right way to measure students' progress. And then we all need to hold ourselves accountable -- and recognize those educators who are especially effective.
  • We need to involve parents as active partners in their children's education so they can support the hard work that teachers do in the classroom.

(If you're curious about how the Obama administration's Blueprint for Reform of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) proposes to empower educators, check out our "Built for Teachers" brochure at ED.gov. It was written by teachers, for teachers.)

Throughout my tenure as secretary of education, I've met with outstanding teachers who are positively transforming the lives of children every day, often in unbelievably difficult situations. For them, a child's background -- which can include poverty, a language barrier, a disability, a dysfunctional home -- presents a challenge but isn't used as an excuse.

One of the many places where I have seen real education reform at work is George C. Hall Elementary School in Mobile, Ala., which has transformed from being one of the lowest- performing schools in Alabama into a national model for achieving success in challenging circumstances. I visited George C. Hall at the start of the school year on my Courage in the Classroom bus tour.

Also on that tour I saw great examples of students learning about the civil rights movement from members of their community in Portland, Me., and had a candid conversation with teachers about how to improve testing and teacher compensation in Hattiesburg, Miss. I've also seen tremendous leadership from union leaders and district leaders in Hillsborough County, Fla., Prince George's County, Md., and other districts. These leaders are moving beyond the battles the past and finding new ways to work together.

I am more optimistic than ever about our nation's education system, because I see the courage and commitment of teachers, parents, and educational leaders to making real reform happen every day. But I believe we are at an important crossroads. We've reached consensus on many important issues, but we in education spend too much of our time and energy focused on issues that divide us. We forget how important it is to move forward on what we agree on.

On this National Day of Blogging for Real Education Reform, I hope we can agree on one thing: Let's move forward on solutions -- and not get sidetracked by debates that will slow what is real progress.

 
 
 
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11:31 PM on 11/23/2010
Unfortunately, Mr. Duncan and his boss, President Obama have bought into the ultra-conservative framing of American education lock, stock and barrel. He is approaching public education from the standpoint that it is a broken institution, and that only privatized models can save it.

This is a viewpoint that has been crafted since the onset of NCLB, and its purpose is to take those large pools of public cash, the state education budgets, and put them into the pockets of private corporations.

Since NCLB, private testing companies have grown from a 300 million dollar per year industry to over one billion dollars per annum. That money is missed in the public system, and schools are the worse for it, just as planned. The charter (read private) model is now shown as the most successful model, certainly if you listen to Duncan and his boss. Yet more money will be headed for private coffers as we follow this road to its intended end. This will leave public schools more impoverished, and less able to serve the needs of the students who don't meet the behavior or academic criteria for the privatized schools.

Furthermore, AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE NOT BROKEN!! We are the most egalitarian system in the world. We are the best. The idea that we are a disaster is a talking point for right wing ideologues that want education for the elite, and servitude for the masses.
01:28 PM on 11/24/2010
Well said. This is a manufactured crisis, and one must wonder why it was manufactured. To take focus off the failed economy by finding a scapegoat? To open a half trillion dollar market to plutocrats...after all, you can never have enough money? To break up one of the last strong bastions of democracy, organized labor, so same plutocrats don't have to pay decent wages? Or perhaps less dramatic: to satisfy the ideology of limousine liberals who must 'fix' schools their own kids have never experienced?

Not many of those involved in the day-to-day of public schools with non-middle class kids are clamoring for the changes boosted with taxpayers dollars by Obama-Duncan, Billionaires, Hollywood personalities, or for-profit companies looking for a market share.
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Michael Gerety
06:06 AM on 11/25/2010
Mr. gdoud,
Yes! Create a crisis to take control. Surprising how many people fall for this. You illustrate the problem nicely IMHO. How is it that in an educated population a significant percentage of the population (including educators) keep falling for this? I suggest that people are confused and cannot tell fact from opinion and think that thought and emotion are the same thing. That is why the emotional argument wins. Scare people then take their cash.

This is where the school system is failing!
Sincerely, Michael Gerety
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JM817
10:56 PM on 11/23/2010
Although it seems obvious, I have rarely in the years I spent in education, well over 30, seen us pay attention to positive exemplars. Many countries have kids who read better than we do. We have some states where they read better than in other states, and we know who they are since schools do not teach to NAEP. We become hostage, instead, to whatever political influence is brought to bear. Our whole nation now seems to believe that opinions are just as good as facts.

Figuring out and using best practices is part of the solution. Devising good measurements, and knowing what their purpose is, is another important step. Adults don't spend their lives taking multiple choice tests; they have to think critically to do their jobs. We need assessments that measure the right things, and we also need short-term assessments that give immediate feedback so teachers can help each child. This means we must convey over and over and over the message that each child is different.

If we really cared about our children and their success, we would not keep trying over and over and over the same failed strategies and we would give schools, and our nation itself, time to see the benefit of improved strategies. They don't happen in two years, just like our economy did not get well in two years. It takes time to steer a school or a nation in a better direction.
11:37 PM on 11/23/2010
If we really cared about our children, we'd raise the minimum wage to double digits.

A map of low NAEP scores overlays a map of our nation's poverty almost exactly. Schools cannot fix that. We can show growth, but may not be able to work against a society that is geared towards the success of the already wealthy, and meet the same standard as the well-to-do, on the same day.
04:48 PM on 11/23/2010
My gripe with the whole concept of "education reform" is its implicit assumption that one size fits all -- that if we just get the right teacher and teaching methods, every child, from the upper-middle-class kid who had every enrichment possible since birth, to the under-nourished offspring of a drug addict with a parent in prison, will be able to compete with the best educated kids in the world. Right now, it seems that middle class children are doing just fine, and would probably do fine with a wide range of teachers. However, even the best teacher and best methods might be stymied by kids in poverty, kids in unstable families, not to mention kids who don't know English. When we talk about reform which will help the kids with greater challenges, we need to talk about the whole child, probably the whole family, not just the teacher and the textbook.
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Michael Gerety
04:36 PM on 11/23/2010
Mr. Duncan until you can show the practical benefits of an education to a man who has been picking up garbage for 20 yrs, you don't understand the point. We need our leaders to show what the point is not tell us what should or should not be.

What do you think of the level of political discourse in the country for starters? Why is it this way and what can educational policy do about that? That would be an article worth reading.
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Michael Gerety
04:16 PM on 11/23/2010
Making progress on school reform. OK. Maybe a discussion on the purpose of education without all the apple pie and motherhood statements would help. Yes, yes, reading writing and arithmetic in an environment that allows everyone to reach their full potential. These address the mechanics of what is taught and the emotional well being of the teachers and students.

I see no discussion on what the end result of all this should be and why. There in lies the problem. Most of the people that I read here just think of how to better get the mechanics across. To bad, the reason that we have the problems we do is because the kids and many of the parents don't see the point of much of what is being taught. Do you?

I for one would like to see a decent conversation on the point of education. The great list presented in the article is focused on what? Winning more world prizes. Come on, that is not the point at all.

Take a look at the level of political discourse in the country If you want to see where education is failing. The point in education is to teach people to think. That is where it is failing. Setting higher math standards will do nothing; setting higher reading standards will do nothing.
Sincerely, Michael Gerety
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JM817
11:01 PM on 11/23/2010
If children are asked to perform adequate tasks with their reading and mathematics skills, they would require improved thinking skills as well, and that would help with the problems you describe, which I agree, are significant. It is not just in educating our children that many American choose an opinion rather than a fact. It is inconvenient to realize that our country is changing so we will pretend it is not; it is inconvenient to believe the earth is suffering from warming, so we don't believe it. It is too hard to educate ourselves about candidates, so we will vote for the one who spews out opinions calculated to make us vote for him/her. It matters not whether the candidate really believes the things he says, or if his opinions have any validity at all in terms of the facts that exist. All of that is inconvenient.
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Michael Gerety
06:19 AM on 11/25/2010
Mr. JM817,
We pretty much agree, but I don't think that being able to divide two numbers well or to be able to read fast translates into critical thinking or how to separate thought from emotion. Those things need to be addressed individually for people to make the connection, apparently. How is it that people who graduate from high school can be fooled by the most transparent false arguments or can't tell who is lying?
Sincerely, Michael Gerety
03:27 PM on 11/23/2010
The highest education systems in the world are not blaming teachers, preaching accountability, and tweaking standardized tests, so, why is that the strategy in America. The whole conversation about school reform in America is fundamentally flawed and Arne is clueless. The myth of the super teacher, which most people have bought into, teachers included, requires that we ignore other countries where teachers don't have to put on a dog and pony show to convince students that learning is important, or, that they are there to help them learn. Finland is the best with chalkboards. Chalkboards!
The myth of the super teacher expects that an "effective teacher" in a high school will "save" 120-150 students they teach for 4 hrs/wk. They will do the job of parents, psychiatrists, therapists, nutritionists, entertainers, scholars, and teacher in that short amount of time and cultivate a love of learning that media, parents, culture, and society have failed to do. How many people possess this full skillset?
I'm not saying it wouldn't be great if we could make it happen in every class in the country, just wondering why we think throwing a hail mary every play is a great strategy
The equity project paid 125k for the "best" teachers. Their first year scores were dismal. Face the reality, it takes more than great teachers, and blaming them gives students the excuse they need to blame someone else.
I agree, teachers matter, but they aren't the primary issue in students apathy towards learning.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
10:17 PM on 11/23/2010
Agreed.

Fand F.
11:44 PM on 11/23/2010
And, for all that Finland does for its students, it's Finland, not a diverse, highly mobile and vast geographically differentiated nation of over 300 million people. No no no, Finland can get out of our way...WE are the best. We take Finish migrants and put them on a college track, with mostly local funding IF the levy is passed. We are the best. When this country gets serious about education for the 21st Century, Arne Duncan will just sit there with his mouth open.
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researcher
02:52 PM on 11/23/2010
a paradigm shift is needed and it must come from those outside the existing paradigm.

this is an american mentality issue. the same problems that beset wall street, banks, and the big three are the same american problem that is taking our schools to third world performance.

this decline cannot be stopped contrary to what these people tell you. it is their job to tell you these things. when a nation is in a self destructive mode one aspect of its self destruction cannot be fixed.

our national paradigm is one of individualized pay for performance find someone to blame teacher centered education with most parents caring more for their other activities then their childrens education.

hang on to your hats teachers you are about to be blamed for everything wrong with education like the union workers were with the big three back in the 70 and 80's, indeed even today.

they are going to try to grab you with money and use the line of average to tell most of you over time you are not doing well enough. and you of course will learn to teach to the tests not for pay but to keep your much needed jobs.

there is nothing new here it is the same old tried and true and failed wall street pay for indiviudalized performance ignorance.
03:48 PM on 11/23/2010
So many good points in your comment.

Joel Klein was NYC school chancellor for 8 years, and, after taking into account score inflation, there was very little real gain in the cities schools. His best solution was to have someone else, charter schools, come up with reform and to fire teachers. So, he has about 80,000 teachers and he fully and openly admits and he cannot create a situation where all these teachers will be successful and become better teachers.
Yet, Klein and others fully expects teachers to help EACH and EVERY student they receive, regardless of whether they are behind grade level, apathetic about learning, criminals, mentally unstable, etc, to be brought up to grade level and taught the new class material for 120-150 students they teach for around 4 hours a week for less than 35 weeks.
Klein and other education "reformers" are asking more of teachers than they asked of themselves. They also want to judge and fire teachers using public & flawed metrics that, if applied to their jobs, would have resulted in them being canned a long time ago.
If a student failure means the teacher is failing, a teacher failure means the chancellor is failing.
Rhee shouldn't have been proud she fired teacher, she should have been embarrassed that she couldn't create an environment where most teachers stand a good chance of succeeding.
If a teacher took pride in getting rid of "bad" students, we wouldn't call them a reformer or successful
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Michael Gerety
04:24 PM on 11/23/2010
So present a different paradigm. Do you have one?
09:01 PM on 11/23/2010
1. Smaller class sizes with more adults in the room and extra one on one time in elementary school for students who are falling behind (as they do in Finland). Some teachers have 150 students in high school. Can there realistically be meaningful grading and individualized instruction with so many students? Yet, go read "reformers" claim class size isn't an issue.
2. Create social safety nets to take care of the 20% child poverty rate. It's hard to learn if you haven't eaten. Try fasting for 24 hours than reading a technical manual.
3. Look to countries like Finland where they provide medical and dental to all students.
4. Scrap standardized testing, or, at least make it low stakes.
5. Stop blaming teachers. It's an impossible job. Center the conversation around how they can be supported rather than how their union is ruining education (it isn't, by the way).
6. Stop being unrealistic/offer choice. Create more technical and career training schools. College isn't for everybody.
7. Maternity leave. If the first 5 years of a child's life are so important for their development, why do women have to give up vacation time to spend the first 6-12 months raising their child

Every study I've ever seen clearly shows that social factors have significantly more impact than anything else on a students educational success, yet, "reformers" misquote to mislead. To really change education, you need to fix societal issues that Republicans and corporations are dead set against improving.
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Victor3
02:32 PM on 11/23/2010
Arne does not listen to teachers.
"Most teachers are completely turned off by the "education reform" agenda currently being advanced by Secretary Duncan."
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http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/living-in-dialogue/2010/11/teachers_and_education_policy.html
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
10:22 PM on 11/23/2010
I am one of those "turned off" to Arne teachers. And I'm an Obama supporter.

He doesn't talk about actual reform--like changes in the curriculum, class size, project based learning, anything. He talks about "reform" only in the sense of telling teachers to do better, and punishing those who can't make it happen. Reform, to Arne and Bill and others, is somehow leveraging more time, more effort, more intensity from people who are already working hard.

How about a hand instead of a push, eh?
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Victor3
01:49 PM on 11/23/2010
Arne's right about there being consensus. It's that what he is proposing to do has been proven time and time again not to work, to be a waste of time and money, and to be out of touch with reality. It didn't work in Chicago when he tried it and it won't work for America.
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Michael Gerety
04:30 PM on 11/23/2010
He is a little short on the point of education. No it won't work because he has no objective; it is all motherhood and apple pie. I for one would like or upper level educators make a good argument about how the graduates of our system are using their "skills." They can't even tell when they are being taken for a ride. Take a look at our political discourse for a concrete example of exactly where our educational system is failing.
01:35 PM on 11/23/2010
Mr. Duncan there may be some truth to some of the following but these all point to changes within the system not a change of the system itself:
-We need to raise expectations for America's students and challenge them with standards
-We need to elevate the teaching profession so teachers get the respect they deserve
-We need to focus on what works.
-We need consensus on the right way to measure students' progress.
-We all need to hold ourselves accountable and recognize those educators who are especially effective.
-We need to involve parents as active partners in their children's education
Those in authority must understand that the system currently is perfectly designed to deliver what it is delivering—otherwise we wouldn’t be consistently getting what we are getting. So before any of the above actions can be consider what is really needed is the problem to be properly defined and this requires a different level of learning and understanding. It can't be defined or solved with the same level of thinking that created what we now have. ( http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2010/11/23/getting-education-right/ ).
12:14 PM on 11/23/2010
Arne Arne Arne - you need to talk to good teachers, a lot. You need to go into schools and sit down with students and parents and ask THEM who the good teachers are. I'm a teacher, but there is an unwritten code that we don't bad mouth our colleagues. Principals won't discuss personnel issues with you (and don't seem to be interested in removing bad teachers, too much hassle and I don't mean from unions). Kids will give you the honest scoop. They don't respect the teachers who don't make them work. They don't want their time in class wasted, so they will tell you who challenges them in reasonable compassionate ways. One of the best compliments I received from a student was overheard by another teacher. The kid said "Really cool, likes football, makes you work though." Good teachers will tell you what is needed, where there is waste. I work in a good school who takes care of it's community and whose test scores continue to rise each year. And it's a PUBLIC school.
Mountain Momma
Seemed like a good idea at the time
10:18 PM on 11/23/2010
Oh, I don't know. Maybe they wouldn't say it to outsiders, but I've most definitely heard teachers talk about bad teachers.
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Eric Mann
Do you want to be on the opposite side of Progress
10:58 AM on 11/23/2010
I just hope Mr. Duncan reads these comments and takes them to heart. The "reform" movement he espouses is roundly opposed in the educational community-and not just from unions. It would be nice to see him respond to some of these comments.
04:08 PM on 11/23/2010
I agree, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.
Mountain Momma
Seemed like a good idea at the time
10:17 PM on 11/23/2010
Pffffft. Not in a million years. He just wants to have his say and walk away.
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buckbuck11
09:53 AM on 11/23/2010
New York State "won" the Race for Top Game Show and Beauty Contest. To do so, our teacher's union sold its members down the river and the Regents amended education law to require a value added teacher and administrator evaluation system. These decisions were so rushed, however, that no details, ramifications or costs were considered. After winning, the dollar amounts going to individual districts were released.
The bureaucracy in Albany at State Education Department got a big chunk of the RttT money. Within a week, they had posted job openings on the SED website for 25 (I counted them!) new positions. My Upstate rural district will receive around $54,000 over four years. That's a little over $13,000 a year. However, 75% of that money will go to our Intermediate Units, in New York called BOCES to create three member teams for every so many buildings. The remaining 25% goes to data gathering, interpretation, etc. SED is now passing the cost for scanning test data to local districts. By the time all of the bureaucrats are paid and all of the unfunded mandates are covered, there is nothing left. In fact, RttT will end up costing our district more money.

And for what? Not one cent will reach the classroom or help teachers to hone their skills.

RttT doubles down on NCLB's worst attributes. The only ones who will be enriched are the moguls of a few huge publishing conglomerates and other companies who are ready to cash in.
08:55 AM on 11/23/2010
We need a national curriculum to avoid problems like the U.S. History textbook problem in Texas. We need a national high school graduation exam to hold teachers ,administrators, and STUDENTS accountable. We need less emphasis on extracurriculars and more emphasis on a classroom performance. Local control of schools has to end because we operate in a global economy.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
10:27 PM on 11/23/2010
We need LESS standardization, not more.

Trying to force us all into the same mold removes all the individual advantages we each have.

Here's the most important lesson I learned during student teaching, 22 years ago: If you are teacher A, and try to behave like teacher B (and she was very, very good), you'll be a crappy teacher B.

Instead, I'm a great teacher A. IMHO.
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Tim McCown
08:54 AM on 11/23/2010
As a Special Education Teacher, Arne's reform is to sell our public system to those who wish to turn education into their private cash cow. None of the solutions posed so far are real bonafide solutions. First of all children are not products yet we educate them using a factory production model where everyone has the same books and reads the same material and then the high stakes test is more like a quality control device at the local Ford factory. We know children learn in at least seven different ways yet our education system teaches to only visual and auditory. We also need to depoliticize the curriculum. To many of the ideas conveyed are ideas that represent someone's ideological beliefs as opposed to material for careful consideration. Three years from now more than half of this years grduating class of teachers will no longer be in a classroom. Much of that is because we force teachers to teach only one way. Teachers teach seven different ways because we learned seven different ways as children ourselves. There is no room for creativity in the classroom. Behaviorism like Free market capitalism is dead. It doesn't work and free will is alive and well. Classroom management has become a series of bribes and consequences instead we should be creating curriculum that engages students and isn't based on teaching methods that made education even before the video age more like waterboarding than learning how to think. Creativity not Charter Schools is the answer.