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Let's begin with the premise that no people, culture, religious, racial or ethnic group is by definition immoral. Not acknowledging this, at the core, is the problem with Juan Williams' gross generalization about Muslims that recently got him fired from National Public Radio (NPR). But if NPR's "Fresh Air" interview last week with the rapper Jay-Z about his new book Decoded is any indication, it's a message still lost on Terry Gross.

To be sure Juan Williams revealed his bias by openly, expressing his personal opinion. Terry Gross didn't do that. Instead the bias is more subtle and insidious and lurks in the line of questioning.

While not as shocking as the obvious blanket condemnation Juan Williams advanced, the Terry Gross/ Jay-Z interview is even more problematic because it illuminates a tendency pervasive in today's news media. This is a moment in which Blacks can be embraced and promoted at the same time that their humanity is dismantled--all in a 30-second sound bite.

Throughout her interview with Jay-Z, Gross kept returning the discussion to those places that reinforce the idea of Black culture as immoral and Black people as corrupt and/or corruptible. Such anti-Black arguments that once lived primarily in conservative public policy debates have now worked their way into national culture (especially in film, television, news media and politics) to the degree that these views are now widely accepted as the norm.

In short, racial disparities in education, unemployment, criminal justice, wealth-building, and more are rooted in Black cultural failing alone. As this logic prevails, it's impossible to gain traction on any targeted policy solutions regarding the problems disproportionately facing Blacks.

President Obama realizes this. Hence his colorblind politics, a policy approach that anti-racist activist Tim Wise documents in detail in his new book, Colorblind. However, one wonders to what extent even liberal journalists like Terry Gross realize they are collaborators.

To grasp the full extent to which Gross emboldens conservative ideas about race, one should listen to the entire 45-minute interview. For now, let this brief exchange illustrate the point,

GROSS: Your father left when you were very young. And you say that most of your friends' fathers had left. You say, "Our fathers were gone, usually because they just bounced. But we took their old records and used them to build something fresh." That's really interesting that one of your things that your father leaves behind that you can use is his records.

JAY-Z: Yeah, I guess there's a bright side to everything right?

GROSS: Yeah, well, that's one way of looking at it.

Any great interviewer--and Gross is at the top of her game--knows the role he or she plays in the outcome. Part of the science is in framing the questions.

The advancing of conservative rhetoric about Blacks persists, whether Gross is bluntly asking Jay about crimes he committed 15 years ago (crack sales and assault), or inquiring about his mother's parental decisions: "You ended up selling crack and helping your mother, as a single mother, support the family. Did she know that's how you were making the money?"

What's the takeaway message? That Jay's mom was a single parent that made poor choices, let her teenage son sell drugs and is unprincipled because she knows the money he's using to support the family comes from drug sales. It's a narrative we've heard from the Republican Revolution of 1994 to the recent well-financed media blitz that resulted in the mid-term shellacking of the Democrats.

And Terry Gross never goes off message. In a nearly hour long interview with a self-made record executive mogul and entrepreneur worth at least half a billion, on the occasion of the publication of a book he deems a coming of age story for his generation, the most pressing questions on the table range from insight into drug dealing to why rappers grab their crotches?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that folks should boycott NPR or even "Fresh Air." And I'm not saying Gross should be fired. What I'm after is something much larger--a radical shift away from the growing tendency to allow conservative race analysis to dominate the ways Americans think and talk about race.

Ironically, Jay-Z points us to the territory in at least one of his responses to Gross: "I know all sorts of people saw their lives destroyed--but in America, we process that sort of thing as a tragedy," he tells Gross when she asks him about Hurricane Katrina, Kanye West and George Bush. "When it happens to black people, it feels like something else, like history rerunning its favorite loop."

Given how pervasive this narrative has become, it's going take much more than firing journalists like Gross and Williams to purge that "favorite loop" from our national culture.

Bakari Kitwana is senior media fellow at the Harvard Law-based think tank, The Jamestown Project and the author of the forthcoming Hip-Hop Activism in the Obama Era (Third World Press, 2011).

 

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10:57 AM on 11/28/2010
1. Success stories are a dime a dozen. This story was important because of the tremendous adversities the man, regardless of his ethnicity, had to overcome to attain success. Gross' remarks were not "subtle and insidious". The adversities overcome were the whole point of the story, and that's why she emphasized them. -- Jay-Z's story should serve, and was no doubt meant to serve, as an inspiration to others facing similar obstacles in their path.

2. Juan Williams should never have been fired because of his comments. That incident has diminished my respect (and support) for the present NPR management.
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GlennWatson
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09:58 AM on 11/28/2010
Do you know whay stereotypes are so common? Because they are based on fact.

If Gross had asked a lot of questions to which this guy has answered "no, that not the case," then you would have a point.
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GlennWatson
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09:54 AM on 11/28/2010
I'm sorry but are you saying Gross is a racist for asking about this guys's past?
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sonshine
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09:21 AM on 11/28/2010
I listened to the entire interview and I listen to probably 95 percent of Terry's interviews in the last few years and I cannot understand what this author is saying. I haven't read the book but it seems clear that Terry was asking about what Jay-Z wrote about. I don't get the reference to Terry being race-biased against blacks or poor blacks or anything like that. I just don't get it or this author did not make his point clearly. It was a brilliant interview and as usual, Jay-Z displayed his genious with masterful subtlety.
09:17 AM on 11/28/2010
I often listen to Terry Gross on NPR and think she's one of the best journalists in the country. She asks honest, thoughtful questions and elicits honest thoughtful responses from her guests. I didn't know much about Jay Z and his background. He's a very intelligent guy and if he thought Terry was asking inappropriate questions, he would not have answered. I'd like to hear from Jay Z....does he agree with Mr. Kitwana?
09:14 AM on 11/28/2010
After reading some recent posts, it becomes clear that racists in this country are in denial. Either that, or they can't read.
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RickO
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09:08 AM on 11/28/2010
Why don't you read Jay Z's book before you go after Terry Gross. She's one of the best there is and you're wasting column inches, and our time, with this blather.
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scholasticus
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08:07 AM on 11/28/2010
Well Mr Kitwana, I guess Terry focused on her line of questioning because JZ wrote in-depth about his childhood and adolescence in the urban war zone of poverty, drugs, and violence. Did you expect them to talk about country life in an English manse?
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madHenry
He came; he saw; he bummed everybody out; he left
07:21 AM on 11/28/2010
As for the crotch grabbing thing, I was hoping JayZ response would be the same as Richard Pryor's: "Cause you took everything else, MF!"
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madHenry
He came; he saw; he bummed everybody out; he left
07:20 AM on 11/28/2010
Why can't we all just get along? : (
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madHenry
He came; he saw; he bummed everybody out; he left
07:17 AM on 11/28/2010
I heard every word of that interview. This analysis is waaaaaaaaaay off base--pure dreck. I hope the interviewee will come in and share his post-interview thoughts. By the way, does this writer think Terry was being misogynistic when she interviewed Samantha Bee after her book release?
08:09 AM on 11/28/2010
I also heard the interview and I agree completely. Terry was asking him to discuss things that he wrote about in his book that highlighted the very real and difficult circumstances that he overcame to become a "self-made record executive mogul and entrepreneur worth at least half a billion."
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06:59 AM on 11/28/2010
I don't consider Gross a journalist, even an opinion journalist. She's a talk show host.
Williams was fired not just for what he said, but because no self-respecting news organization can stand for it's employees becoming the story, instead of reporting the story. Gross doesn't even work for the news organization, to my knowledge.
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05:37 AM on 11/28/2010
I heard some of the interview when it was broadcast. What should Terry have asked that she didn't?
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01:07 AM on 11/28/2010
I have to listen to the full interview, because I did not get the author's outrage over it by reading his excerpts or his description.

Coincidentally, I watched "Blindside" on HBO last night, and I got the bias the author speaks of right between my eyes. I'm really surprised Sandra Bullock accepted that role. I wouldn't have been surprised to see a watermelon scene in that movie.
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madHenry
He came; he saw; he bummed everybody out; he left
07:19 AM on 11/28/2010
Blindside is based fairly closely on a real lives. All those concerned are still alive. Perhaps you should write to them and ask what they thought of the film.
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12:32 PM on 11/28/2010
I lived in the Memphis/Northern Mississipi area for seven long years, so I really don't have to be told that those are real lives. A basic negative stereotype of ALL blacks that permeates that film is present everywhere in that part of the country.

The people that did what the main character did in the movie (Bullock's part) are truly heroes, but the movie almost goes out of its way to present all blacks as criminal, drug dealing and lacking in any and all family values.
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DAE
12:33 AM on 11/28/2010
Unfortunately (and I use that word a lot nowadays), Jay-Z's life reflects much of African-American reality due to the continuing institutional racism that deprives Black youth of a meaningful future. There will be a tiny minority who "make-it" despite the odds stacked against them. Many more will end up in jail and on probation in a never ending cycle of lost opportunities that they never had a chance of obtaining. I think most listeners of "Fresh Air" realize that. They're generally not T-party types.