I've gotten some flack for the "terrortard" label this week, but I'm sticking with it. In fact, ha. That's right. Ha ha. Facts are stupid things, as Ronald Reagan once said, and the fact here is we're looking at four terrortards.
Is that offensive? Fine. Color me bad. I contend that it's no more offensive than Terror Brand News (aka Fox News) suggesting that it presents "fair and balanced" reporting. Fox's Sarah Bernhardt School of Reporting has infected all the big news sources when it comes to terror (the breathless gasp, pant, panic ("We'll be right back after this commercial break") approach). Is that not offensive?
Here's what we know: one of the "plotters" was deemed too crazy to deport to Haiti (what?) and all of them were garden-variety jailbirds for crimes like small time drug-dealling and purse-snatching and, one might surmise, littering. The ringleader told a judge that he's a daily wake-and-bake pothead.
These mentally diminutive men would have a hard time finding a synagogue (much less blowing one up). They do not qualify as "chilling" criminals. These are not great criminal minds. These are barely functioning minds that use what little capacity they have for feelings of victimization, petty resentment, and kitchen-table prejudice. The rest was imported courtesy the FBI.
As Air America's Ron Kuby pointed out in his debate with Marc Maron yesterday, there was an FBI informant who made money off this "bust."
Facts are indeed stupid things. There are a lot of malcontents out there and the catalog of things they hate is endless. The anger that informed these half-wits was turned into a story by opportunistic third and fourth parties to that anger. I'll say it again. The brainless anger and hate native to the Newburgh Four was taught a plot and enabled by a third party who was working for the FBI; it was facilitated in a way that made a story where before there was no story because the four men involved could not think their collective way out of an open door.
The end product was a story. It was used to prove a point: that we are being protected from terrorism. Terrorism that never would have left the barstool were it not for proactive, entrapment-like "police work."
This is what Fox News begat with it's warped coverage on terrorism. This is the evil seed of Dick Cheney's flashlight-under-the-chin brand of politics. Witness the cottage industry of terror-as-entertainment. It's here, and it's really stupid.
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These arrests are only the latest justification for an unnessesary war on terror.
Real terrorists are not concerned with news cycles and immediate results. So while they patiently wait for America to relapse into complacency, the FBI & Dept. of homeland security, to justify their bloated terror budget, have to resort to one of the more lazy tactics in their arsenal. Entrapment.
Mucho pathetico!
Exactly the same headlines and conviction before trial accompanied the case of the NY "Panther 21".
Minus, perhaps, a certain sophistication, but likely the same gullible public.
Recounting their success with the Unabomber case, authorities bleated on about ...
The Unabomber's brother turned him in. Who knows if they ever would have caught him.
That was kind of my point.
This sounds like a fit-up which was planned during the Bush/Cheney era. It sounds like the players were led by the nose - probably with inducements of hard cash. How dangerous can people who don't even know the difference between C4 and silly putty, be?
Strange they were directed towards a synagogue, don't you think? It's a two-fer, foiling an attack on America AND Israel (by proxy) at the same time. Wheels within wheels....
Itchy.
Meanwhile Banksters commit fraud with investment Insurance with no reserve.
It's one thing to preempt folks trying to buy weapons,
But this looks more and more like entrapment of the mentally limited for good FBI PR.
Beau, this article would seem to back you up: gs.village voice.com/ runninscar ed/archive s/2009/05/ the_fbi_ag ent_w.php
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There's a crazy homeless man who lives in an alley down the street and spends every night yelling at the moon, threatening to blow it up one of these days. Maybe I could be an FBI informant if I construct a fake missile out of leftover heating duct pipe and give it to him. Once he pushes the fake launch button I'll have the police surround him, and another terrorist plot will have been averted. Then the homeless fellow can spend the rest of his life in Gitmo, being water boarded until he admits the Iraq-Al Qaeda connections.
If you contact dick cheney, he'll get his henchmen to attack the moon. Does that make sense? Nope, but he'll do it, I tell you. And homeland security can't do a thing about it.
Judge Questioning the Prosecution: "Let me get this straight. An FBI informant completely lured these four men ("losers, ex-cons, drug addicts") into a wide-ranging plot, who any rational person would say could have never come up with (let alone followed through with) the scenarios on their own. Correct?" Prosecution: "Correct." Judge: "Further, is it also true that the informant provided the means to everything - the idea, money, ways of getting the weapons, and instructions on how to implement all the plans?" Prosecution: Uh, also correct, your Honor." Judge: "And finally, did the FBI make additional plans to release this story to the public and major media as a "Terrorist Plot" that was "Busted" - well before the unsuspecting men were ever arrested?" Prosecution: "Ah, uh, yes. Is this a problem?" Judge: "These men shall be set free - immediately! They will carry no record of their arrests - other than the substantial reparations you will pay them. Case Closed!" www.SeaCle arly.com
according to what you wrote, the FBI should be arrested. Now that would be justice (if the facts are as stated in your post)
Actually, they found the synagogue, and had they gotten ahold of some decent explosives (like American Tim McVeigh and the Muslim London bomders did) rather than FBI play-dough, they would indeed have blown it up.
So what's YOUR agenda, Sparky?
"...had they gotten ahold of some decent explosives ..." Yea, there's some insightful, critical commenting. How about "had they gotten hold of decent springs, they'd be pogo sticks"?
How 'bout this, "OtayPanky", had this been a meaningful investigation of a credible threat, instead of posturing and performance art, investigators would have allowed the defendants to develop their own source of explosives and missiles, then "foiled" the larger conspiracy and removed real weapons from the field. We're not planning moon shots here, it ain't rocket science. Investigations have methods. Giving buffoons toy weapons and calling them terrorists is not among them. What it is is urinating on the public interest and calling it a warm rain.
As they were stuck with a squandered year of investigative resources, and nothing to show but four of society's least capable, least credible wannabes, they saw no real choice but to deliver up the toys and call the press.
An agenda? How about zealous, competent constitutional law enforcement, and skillful management of scarce, expensive resources. You, patsy, er, sparky?
my agenda is to keep clear of prison by using my seat belt when I drive or ride in an automobile.
Thank you for asking.
Also a sound way to keep clear of the funeral home, should a fellow motorist fail to keep clear of you
How insightful to drag pot use into this. I imagine if these were the days of slavery you'd be using a different scapegoat of the day, the fact that they're black. A more appropriate though unsettling point would be that any idiot with a gun can choose to throw away/trade his life to take away somebody else's. Let me know when you figure out how we can deal with that.
I think the point was that anyone who is "wake and bake" is probably going to have a difficult time getting past the breakfast table. Lets be honest, most users of this sort do not have an extraordinary amount of motivation of any sort, let alone mount an effective attack. A wake and bake would need a lot of help to just to get out the door.
I think it's a backwards perspective - a person who in the first place is unmotivated to do anything has a higher likelihood of being a "wake and bake" - this would not be a cause and effect that you could blame on pot. Such a person may also be less likely to shower often enough, but could you ascribe behavioral properties as being the result of not showering? That's why I'd like to see pot taken out of this discussion, instead of exploiting people's prejudices about its effects.
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