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Which God? The Real Difference Between Evangelical and Liturgical Churches

Posted: 01/20/2012 1:15 pm

When people ask me why I want to be part of a liturgical church, I usually start describing the beauty of the liturgy, the excitement of the church calendar, or the historical rootedness that helps placate my fears about the legitimacy of Christianity. But the more I reflect, I realize that, at the bottom, the real draw for a liturgical church is its understanding of God -- its theology. The worship style is one major cosmetic difference, but it is simply an aspect of the much more fundamental distinction of who or what God is like.

When I go to an evangelical church, the songs, sermons, and prayers are directed to a person that each member is very familiar with. God walks with me and talks with me. He changes specific real-world events -- he brings rain in a drought, chooses the political leaders and makes sure that cars arrive safely at their destination. Hell, God even helps NFL quarterbacks in the fourth quarter.

I had the oddest experience one summer as I sat in the pew at a southern evangelical church in a small farming community. Sunday after Sunday, the assigned lay member would approach the pulpit and utter the same words, "Lord, please bring us rain; we desperately need it." The hundred or so members of this small church had one need above any other, that it would rain so their cotton would grow. May, June, and July came and went, as week after week the same prayer was said without divine response. Finally, in August, a few inches of rain fell on a Saturday afternoon. Not only were church attendance records set that following Sunday, every marquee in the county now read: "Thank God for the Rain!"

This caused a serious faith crisis for me. What the hell kind of God answers a well-intentioned request only after making people beg and plead for 3 months? Clearly, a God who is either extremely fickle (and strange), or one that doesn't exist. I sided with the latter.

After that summer, I knew it was time to go. I had finally pinpointed why I could never again worship at an evangelical church. I learned why I couldn't sing the songs, listen to the sermons, or join in the prayers. There was a fundamental problem, a flaw that permeated everything -- I know longer recognized their God.

I realized that there's a difference between worshiping God, and worshiping "___." There's a difference between Jesus being a friend or a homeboy and being the Risen Christ. The God who opens up parking spots is different from the Holy Mystery.

There is a new element that is added, a humility that sees a much larger chasm between God and humanity. It finds awe, not in God's destructive power or intolerance for evil, but in transcendence. Humans are lost, yes, but being saved is not a guaranteed certainty; it becomes a questionable hope. It was this distinction that led me to the Episcopal church.

The liturgical sensibility sees a much further distance between God and the worshiper. Prayer is not the request of an insider or the desperate plea of a powerless servant. Prayer is the expression of reliance on an unfathomable mystery -- an openness to the world's paradox. The prayers, homilies and hymns of the liturgical churches reflect this same theology. God is divine mystery. Any time one speaks of divine action, it is with a careful question mark rather than a definitive period or exclamation mark.

For many liturgical Christians, God did not create the world in six days or recommend dashing babies against stones. God, whoever or whatever God is, is not a male, and God will not eternally torture adherents of other religions. When I say the creed, I renew a strong conviction I have about the world, but that conviction is joined with a humility that leaves open the possibility that I am wrong. After all, shortly after the creed I confess my sins, and once a year I am told that I am ashes -- weak, perishable ashes that have had many different opinions and thoughts about the gods over the last few millennia, many of which were wrong.

This difference in theology -- between the more liturgical humble respect of God's inherent mysteriousness and the evangelical sappy familiarity -- is the same reason that I get so cranky when I hear Christians come to Tim Tebow's defense. I get their point, I think; Tebow is a nice guy with an above average character and Christians have the perception that SNL and Bill Maher don't like him simply because he's a Christian. Those Christians who defend Tebow believe that the critique is a generic attack against Christianity. And there may be some truth to that.

But Tebow, as an evangelical, is perpetuating this warped and philosophically unsatisfactory vision of God -- the same understanding that prays each day that God will send rain and then says that the prayer was answered once those rains finally do come. The criticism of Tebow is fair. It really is ludicrous to think that God is involved in the outcome of football games. Just plain crazy.

But what I want the "Bill Maher"s of the world to know is that the evangelicals' God is not the best form of Christianity -- the best form (or, at least, a far superior form) is the God that liturgical churches worship. It could turn out to be just as religulous, but it is still its own challenge that can't be disproven just by making fun of another Quran burning or "pro-life" rally.

There is a philosophically problematic, sexist, imperialist God that truly is "religulous." But there is another divine being, the Unfathomable Being, that many Catholics, Orthodox, and Episcopalians worship. This important question, "Who is God?" is at the heart of the difference between Evangelicals and liturgical Christians. It is the reason that I can no longer worship at an evangelical church. And it is a question that the critics of Christianity need to address if they intend to ultimately undermine the Christian tradition.

 

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01:54 PM on 01/27/2012
You're right on all accounts. The evangelical view of God seems very elementary or childish. I am no longer Christian but I can respect the traditions and theology above.
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rshrink
02:01 PM on 01/25/2012
How about you just try to prove anything that you have written? If you can't, then count what you say as a belief, as good as any other belief, but certainly not any better.
12:07 PM on 01/25/2012
Thank God I am not an Episcopalian. Pardon, a liberal Episcopalian.

Ben, your theology has a mighty strong aroma of Gnosticism permeating it. You don't think God cares who wins a football game? It's unimportant? But Tim Tebow, through football, the nation's talking about God.

There's a plan, Ben. Every action on earth occurs due to the will of God, the omniscient Being who lives forever beyond time, who knows all that has and will happen..

Babies are made, songs are sung, movies aer made according to the will of God And I say this as a Catholic who loves the Mass when propely celebrated - not as a hootenanny.

God cared who won the war between the Israelites and Amalekits, having Moses keep his arms raised to make it happen. Again, God sent Joan of Arc to inspire the French and get the English out of Europe.

God puts us into situations so we can master them through courage, humility or other virtues.

Ben's assertion, "Religion is divisive --- always has been, always will be" is utter historical hogwash. Sectarianism is divisive, not Christianity. Before Europe returned to the tribalism of "nationality" the Catholic Church was the unifying force inspiring members to reach beyond their grasp. The follies and vices of bad popes and wicked kings, debauched dukes and corrupt cardinals thwarted this vision, not their theology.

The great cathedrals of Europe stand as testimony to what a united people CAN do to honor God..
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rshrink
01:59 PM on 01/25/2012
You speak totally out of ignorance and arrogance, a common combination. It makes you sound silly, just as Santorum, since you really don't know anything. You are then just waxing emotional. Even God doesn't care for that.
02:15 AM on 01/26/2012
Pardon, my post was hardly as emotional as your outburst, a rather sorry attempt to meke me look bad by ascribing to me all the vices you show in this post.

Don't worry, rshrink I promise not rile you up by replying again. Ignoring you iw the worst thing I can do to you.
11:41 PM on 01/22/2012
Muddled thinking and hard to follow writing, in my opinion. I'm a fan of Maher, but to be one I have to be comfortable with my differences with his philosophical "positions", such as anti-religion. I'm non-religious, and opposed to those whose religious beliefs lead them to try to commandeer the socio-political environment in ways which offend me. I see anti-religion and anti-belief in god, and identification with atheism as in some ways a necessary political position to counteract the aggression of Christians and others who demonize those not in line with their thinking. But I don't see these anti-nesses as philosophical truth. Too one-dimensional and too closed to comprehensive and open discussion.
12:06 AM on 01/22/2012
He left out Lutherans, a strongly liturgical tradition.
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Ben Griffith
06:40 PM on 01/22/2012
Are you a Lutheran? I recognize they are liturgical, but know very little about the lutheran tradition. Do you feel like a theology of divine mystery is indicative of Lutherans as well?
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syntax facit saltum
We do not live in a 2 story universe
10:59 PM on 01/24/2012
The few Lutheran services I have gone to have seemed like they were designed to entertain the worshippers rather than to be a liturgy. I wonder if there are differences among Lutheran churches.
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Gerald Brogdon
11:38 PM on 01/21/2012
Ref: "There is a new element that is added, a humility that sees a much larger chasm between God and humanity. It finds awe..." and "The liturgical sensibility sees a much further distance between God and the worshiper." and "Prayer is the expression of reliance on an unfathomable mystery -- an openness to the world's paradox. The prayers, homilies and hymns of the liturgical churches reflect this same theology. God is divine mystery."

There is no doubt that God is mystery and unfathomable but there is also a personhood there. In Matthew 19:13 and Matthew 18:1-6, Jesus requests the children to be brought to me and compares the residents of heaven to children. Jesus says in 18:3 (NIV) "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." When children interact with their father, it isn't over some vast chasm separating them. It is a close personal love relationship. At the same time, there should be a recognition of the vast chasm or gap between Creator and created. The recognition of that gap produces an even greater love because it is so undeserved.
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Gerald Brogdon
11:23 PM on 01/21/2012
Ref: "This caused a serious faith crisis for me. What the hell kind of God answers a well-intentioned request only after making people beg and plead for 3 months? Clearly, a God who is either extremely fickle (and strange), or one that doesn't exist."

There are more than two alternatives to this request. Besides your two: 1) God is extremely fickle or strange and 2) God doesn't exist, please add the following: 3) God wants to build maturity and completeness in those praying (James 1:2-4), 4) God has His own way of answering the prayer on His timetable (2 Peter 3:9), and 5) God wants something better for you (Romans 8:28 & Matt. 6:25-32 - please note in my next post I typed 7 instead of 6 for the chp.).

When facing serious faith crises, I like to depend on the promise found in James 1:5.
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Gerald Brogdon
11:00 PM on 01/21/2012
Ref: "It really is ludicrous to think that God is involved in the outcome of football games. Just plain crazy."

It is ludicrous to think that God cares about the number of hairs on our head but God does. It is ludicrous to think that God keeps up with every sparrow but God does (see Luke 12:6-7). It is ludicrous to think that God cares about everything and makes sure that ALL things work together for the good of those that love God but God does (Romans 8:28). It is ludicrous to think that God wants us to pray about EVERYTHING but God does (Mark 11:24). It is ludicrous to think that God wants all of humanity to be saved but God does (I Timothy 2:4). It is ludicrous to think that God would sacrifice His Son to save us but God did (John 3:16).

When do the created have a right to tell God what He should be concerned about? When do the created have the boldness to confine God in a box of their choosing? Where do created get the idea that God has to be responsive to every prayer request on the requester's timetable? (2 Peter 3:9) Who are the created to tell God how to take care of His created? (Matthew 7:25-32) Why does the created talk without knowing what they are talking about? (Job 38:2- Job 40:2).
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
07:44 AM on 01/21/2012
In an evangelical church or a liturgical one?

--- Blessed is the spot, and the house, and the place, and the city, and the heart, and the mountain, and the refuge, and the cave, and the valley, and the land, and the sea, and the island, and the meadow where mention of God hath been made, and His praise glorified ---
08:00 PM on 01/21/2012
And even where His name is not uttered is sacred.
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lsg0013
Putting mayo on Eddie Haskell's sandwich
04:29 AM on 01/21/2012
" . . .or the historical rootedness that helps placate my fears about the legitimacy of Christianity."

A Christian who is afraid that Christianity is not legitimate?
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
05:48 AM on 01/21/2012
They all should be. It's not.
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michelesda
My micro-bio is empty.
08:59 AM on 01/21/2012
Any reasonable person would be bound to have doubts from time to time; there's no evidence or proof, after all. It's refreshing to see someone have the courage to admit it.
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Bones Rhodes
12:28 AM on 01/21/2012
Ben has figured out they both can't be right: he just hasn't realized that they both can be wrong.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
12:10 AM on 01/21/2012
What is the difference? All churches are full of demons of one sort or another.
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syntax facit saltum
We do not live in a 2 story universe
02:56 AM on 01/21/2012
From your own reported experience demons are everywhere, no?
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michelesda
My micro-bio is empty.
09:00 AM on 01/21/2012
Probably depends on your definition of "demon." The connotative meaning of the word has changed over time.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
10:56 AM on 01/21/2012
No. I only find them in churches. They hide in the people there. There are no demons in nature per se because there is too much light, air and space. They like closed in, dark, secure places to thrive--like bacteria in a petri dish.
10:19 PM on 01/20/2012
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Where Jesus calls his followers to pursue unity - this article is very divisive.

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syntax facit saltum
We do not live in a 2 story universe
03:02 AM on 01/21/2012
What do you find divisive about this?
05:55 AM on 01/21/2012
Religion is divisive --- always has been, always will be....
06:12 PM on 01/21/2012
"Religion is divisive --- always has been, always will be...."

Nonsense. I cannot think of anything that has brought more people together over history than religion. Take just one example, the Roman Catholic Church. People from all races and nationalities over the course of hundreds of years, all brought together around essentially the same beliefs and ceremonies.
10:17 PM on 01/20/2012
"Clearly, a God who is either extremely fickle (and strange), or one that doesn't exist. I sided with the latter."

There's more than two conclusions.

I guess this guy needs to go back and read Jusus' parable of the persistent widow, including where it says "Won’t God give justice to his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night?
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Ben Griffith
06:44 PM on 01/22/2012
Personally, I find this representation of God (as it has been traditionally interpreted) to be fickle and problematic. But I also understand that this is very contested. Perhaps God does want to be begged, but I find that, well, fickle and strange. :)
10:02 AM on 01/26/2012
The Bible does say to pray constantly for everything and all things until you see it manifest. There are many things in the Bible that we, as humans, would say "what?, Really? You must be kidding me! We don't understand His ways, and the Bible also says "who are we the mold of clay on the potters wheel to question the potter"
09:32 PM on 01/20/2012
"Then Jesus said to them, “Suppose you have a friend, and you go to him at midnight and say, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves of bread; a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have no food to offer him.’ And suppose the one inside answers, ‘Don’t bother me. The door is already locked, and my children and I are in bed. I can’t get up and give you anything.’ I tell you, even though he will not get up and give you the bread because of friendship, yet because of your shameless audacity he will surely get up and give you as much as you need. So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." - Luke 11: 5-10

"Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!" - Matthew 7: 9-11
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sweetlilthing
hurt no one but tell the truth
09:25 AM on 01/21/2012
That's a nice story but Bill Maher is on now....
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
10:21 PM on 01/21/2012
The Matthew passage shows that Jesus believed in the kosher rules banning the eating of snakes, and never intended this rule to be abolished.