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Previewing the 2012 Vice Presidential Debate

Posted: 10/07/2012 4:00 pm

This Thursday the eyes of the nation and world will be focused on Danville, Kentucky as Centre College proudly hosts the 2012 vice presidential debate between Congressman Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden. Coming fresh off the heels of last week's opening debate between Governor Romney and President Obama, where Romney had an unexpectedly strong showing, the upcoming vice presidential debate is all the more critical to shaping the campaign narrative this October.

For Congressman Ryan, this debate will provide several important opportunities. First and foremost, he will of course be looking to build on the momentum generated by Romney's strong showing at the recent Denver debate. He will be expected to double down on making the case for his ticket's vision of the appropriate role of government in the economy and American society. It is also an opportunity for him to display his "wonk credentials" in discussing the budget, taxes, and the deficit, especially given that it was a key source of disagreement between Romney and Obama in the first debate. Perhaps most importantly for his political future, however, Ryan will have the opportunity to repair some of the damage to his reputation as a "straight-shooter" that was caused by his performance at the Republican National Convention, which was widely deemed by independent fact-checkers as a little less-than-factual.

For Vice President Biden, the pressure is high to halt the Romney-Ryan debate momentum. I imagine that he will attempt to compensate for President Obama's passive performance last week by being all the more eager to attack Ryan's (and Romney's) record and highlight the likely repercussions of the "Ryan budget" on a host of issues from Medicare to unemployment benefits to student loans. As the Obama-Biden ticket is now "playing defense" in managing public perceptions of the debate, he will want to do everything he can to change the campaign narrative. His biggest challenge will be to do this effectively while avoiding a major "gaffe," something he has been known for in the past.

Political scientists rightly remind us that, with a few important exceptions, presidential debates have rarely played a decisive role in determining the ultimate outcome of presidential elections. This is even more the case for vice presidential debates. Thomas Holbrook, in his 1996 analysis of the effect of presidential campaigns on electoral outcomes, found that there is virtually no historical impact of vice presidential debates in terms of polling or eventual outcomes. Not even Lloyd Bentsen's famous "You're no Jack Kennedy" line in the 1988 VP debate managed to budge the needle of public opinion very much. It is important to remember, though, that just because debates historically have not had a dramatic impact on the outcome of presidential elections, it certainly does not mean that they are irrelevant. In my view, vice presidential debates are unique and important for two key reasons.

First, voters vote for the names at the top of the ticket. Thus, vice presidential candidates have a certain degree of "wiggle room" in their debate performances that the presidential candidates themselves do not enjoy. It often makes for a livelier and more energetic exchange. It has been observed that one of the primary roles of a vice presidential candidate is to be the "attack dog" of the campaign, doing the heavy lifting with the mudslinging so that the presidential candidate can afford to stay a little more "above the fray." As a result, we may get a vice presidential debate that is a little more critical, frank, and realistic about the ideological differences between these tickets than we got in the first debate between Romney and Obama, where Romney defied expectations by portraying himself as a reasonable moderate instead of the Tea Party warrior we've seen through most of the campaign.

Second, we should remember that vice presidential candidates are potentially only a "heartbeat away from the presidency." Yes, presidential candidates select vice presidential candidates that will help them balance the ticket and maximize their electoral prospects. However, they also select individuals who, in their view, are fit to assume the office of the presidency should the need unexpectedly arise. Debates allow us to get a look at the caliber and temperaments of the candidates as they perform in a situation of intense pressure. From this we can infer the sorts of personal qualities valued by the presidential candidates who picked them, which may speak to their priorities and styles of governance once in office.

Finally, no matter what happens at the 2012 vice presidential debate this week, it will make history for one important reason: both Vice President Biden and Congressman Ryan are devout Roman Catholics. Never before have two Catholics debated each other in a televised presidential or vice presidential debate. Several weeks ago, debate moderator Martha Raddatz petitioned her Twitter followers for debate questions. This was my recommendation: "Vice President Biden, Congressman Ryan, you are both faithful Catholics and yet you both have widely different political beliefs. Please briefly describe how your faith informs your politics and, given that you come to very different political conclusions, what can that teach us about the role of religion in politics today?" This year we have the most religiously diverse set of presidential tickets ever and thus I believe that a question along those lines would be appropriate and timely for voters of a country that is becoming increasingly polarized along religious-secular lines.

 
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This Thursday the eyes of the nation and world will be focused on Danville, Kentucky as Centre College proudly hosts the 2012 vice presidential debate between Congressman Paul Ryan and Vice President ...
This Thursday the eyes of the nation and world will be focused on Danville, Kentucky as Centre College proudly hosts the 2012 vice presidential debate between Congressman Paul Ryan and Vice President ...
 
 
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07:02 PM on 10/12/2012
I am an independent voter; however, it was very scarey watching Vice President Biden. Obviously, he is very intelligent, but he was so unprofessional throughout the debate by not following the rules and laughing about subjects that are far from funny.
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whyus
San Francisco native
12:36 PM on 10/08/2012
These candidates will "briefly discuss" nothing!
10:44 AM on 10/08/2012
Joe, please put this one in his place! He's got his own agenda too which is climbing that infamous lather..
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
02:46 PM on 10/08/2012
Can you climb lather?
09:27 AM on 10/08/2012
"Please briefly describe how your faith informs your politics and, given that you come to very different political conclusions, what can that teach us about the role of religion in politics today?""

This is a great question!! It's not that it would reveal anything about Catholicism itself, but would provide an unexpected and maybe unguarded view of the thought processes and attitudes of the candidates themselves.
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Sheila Schultz
Theatre Critic, Professional business writer
09:20 AM on 10/08/2012
We've already seen Ryan lie, misrepresent and omit relevant details when criticizing Obama. R&R are twins in that respect.

Joe's made some gaffes, but he's the real deal.

It all comes down to trust.

Reagan hid Iran-Contra, Bush Sr, promised "No new taxes & reneged" and GW refused to put the costs of war into the official budget. Is there a pattern here?

OK, Clinton lied about sex. No good, but it didn't cost us billions.
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shankapotomus
01:58 PM on 10/08/2012
Clinton caused us hundreds of billions hes the reason for how we got where we are today.
07:53 AM on 10/08/2012
If "debate momentum" is packing in as many lies as possible in 90 minutes, I think Ryan has proven he can keep that up.
09:06 AM on 10/08/2012
Yes,,, obama's 2008 campaign was so full of truth I have no idea where to even start?
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SophiaFlorere
Moving forward into the 21st century
06:26 AM on 10/08/2012
It should be more interesting than the presidential debate. I hope it's a feisty exchange.
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04:35 AM on 10/08/2012
The debate would be LOTS more interesting, (and more relevant) if they let the Libertarians debate also.
http://m.youtube.com/?reason=8&rdm=47#/watch?v=jxBlHaUE8GE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjxBlHaUE8GE

R&D's collude to exclude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXhoP5bQ2M
01:02 AM on 10/08/2012
Here's all the proof Ryan needs to show Obama and Biden's incompetence and poor judgment:

""Barack Obama and I were literally sitting in a desk in a high rise in Chicago beginning to plan how we would try to get this economy out of a ditch. Literally, the first guy I called was Jon Corzine. Not a joke. Not a joke. Because first of all, he's the smartest guy that I know in terms of the economy and on finance, I really mean this."""
---VP Joe Biden (May 2009)
Speech in New Jersey
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Robin Rae Overholt
roverho2
11:30 AM on 10/08/2012
Yeah and Bain and Mr. 47% were in the Cayman Islands laughing as to how he would hide all his money while running for the WH for 9 years! By hiding his TAX returns!!! He will not be President without showing them, watch and see!!!!!
proudcalib
I never said it was going to be easy
12:08 AM on 10/08/2012
I'd love Biden to ask Mr. Ryan how he reconciles his Catholic faith and his Ayn Rand devotion.
03:37 AM on 10/08/2012
dang kinda like Biden's Catholic faith and his support of abortion
07:43 PM on 10/09/2012
there's a difference between supporting abortion and supporting a women's right to choose. many people confuse the two.
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Robin Rae Overholt
roverho2
11:31 AM on 10/08/2012
Ry Ry is going to be toast!
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thirdcloud
11:57 PM on 10/07/2012
Still on the fence about the Romney/Ryan ticket? Here are two debate questions that might settle the matter for you:

Is eliminating the home mortgage interest deduction a consideration currently on the table?

Will Romney/Ryan state affirmatively to the American public—BEFORE THE ELECTION—that if elected the home mortgage interest deduction will remain without modification in eliminating tax loopholes?
03:29 AM on 10/08/2012
And why should it? Wouldn't a replacement of the mortgage subsidy ( which contributed to all housing bubbles, consumer debt and housing price escalations in the past 40 years - from the S&L to the most recent and in truth encourages people to take on more debt ) with non-taxed savings and investment returns better for the middle class ( which has not been saving adequately for its retirement)?

I'm fine with giving up my mortgage interest rate deduction - it makes no sense that I ( and millions of others) are encouraged to go into debt while being taxed heavily when we try to save and invest for our futures!
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thirdcloud
11:38 AM on 10/08/2012
@Dean my 1st response is why the deception? My 2nd reaction is "where did you get those facts?" Austerity will decend upon you in due time if you continue to make up your own facts to validate your opinion. But feel free to give up your mortgage interest deduction--if you actually have one--once you arrive at why the deception?
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Robin Rae Overholt
roverho2
11:40 AM on 10/08/2012
I bet you are willing! Just because it may work for you? Ask Trump why he filed Bankrupt 3 times on bad investments! You act like their BS is OK! No I will keep my mortgage deduction which I can bet I owe less then YOU! Well not if you include the 3 others! LOL
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pab08
Partisan agendas can't compete with objective fact
11:53 PM on 10/07/2012
Well since the article points out the historical fact that this debate will have zero impact on the election, why is there further comments about how each party is hoping that Ryan/Biden will help their ticket with their perfomance(s)?

Again, this shows just how our modern political system - and the media that delivers it to us - is 100% completely disconnected from reality.
11:30 PM on 10/07/2012
Has Romney made the "Ryan Plan" obsolete now that Romney is trying to crowd Obama out as a centrist?
Perhaps Ryan will show up as a reborn centrist too.
Joe Biden will be sharing the stage with the 2nd generation of Republican VP hopeful marathon runners. Will Joe be polite enough to not mention to Ryan that Palin had a better time?
10:45 PM on 10/07/2012
how can Biden be a "devout Catholic", yet champion abortion as a form of birth control?
02:16 AM on 10/08/2012
'Champion abortion as a form of birth control'? Where on earth did this happen?

I think you perhaps don't comprehend Biden's position..
08:11 AM on 10/08/2012
Biden does not "champion abortion". What he supports is a woman's right to make choices for herself. That is exactly how it should be and how it should remain.

Lyin'Ryan, on the other hand, thinks he and other religious nuts should be able to ban all birth control so women can be subserviant.

I say the GOP and religious right have no place in ANYBODY'S BEDROOM. Keep your extremist ideas at church and out of government. There is a reason for separation of church and state!

SUPPORTING OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
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Shmoputz
09:51 PM on 10/07/2012
Will Biden have a sponsorship from The Comedy Channel?
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04:23 AM on 10/08/2012
They're both clowns. Ryan is the scary clown.

Gary Johnson, on the other hand, picked a really impressive running mate. Google judge JimGray. I had never heard if him, but he would wipe the floor with these two clowns.