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Who's the Bride? And Other Things Not to Say to Same-Sex Couples

Posted: 01/31/2012 10:43 am

I'll never forget the day that I went for a cake tasting with a pair of my brides. We arrived to a bakery where I'd been plenty of times before and had great experiences. When she saw us, the assistant who greeted us that day said, "So, which one of you is the bride?"

I get it. Three women. Surely one of them must be the bride, another the Maid of Honor and the third a sister or the planner -- or anyone but another bride. Right?

I was fairly horrified, even though I knew my clients would ultimately have a good experience if they did choose that cake (they didn't). I was horrified because it's my job to make sure this doesn't happen, and that day I failed myself and my clients. I should have called ahead to remind the bakery that the appointment was with a same-sex couple, even though I mentioned it when making the appointment. I should have and I didn't.

Fortunately my clients were very cool and forgave both me and the bakery. This kind of thing actually happens all the time, though -- wedding professionals who assume that there's one bride and one groom. I hear from grooms who tell me about approaching a vendor and hearing, "So, where's the bride? " or "What's the name of the bride?" -- as if it's not obvious when there's not one!

I know very well that this kind of oversight does not necessarily equal homophobia or discrimination. Often it's just an accidental oversight that carries through on forms, contracts, websites and marketing materials and in employee training. But it can be a very expensive accidental oversight for businesses who cater to the fairytale wedding and unconsciously turn off potential same-sex clients. Some couples are forgiving and others are not.

I talk about this kind of stuff all the time when I train those in the wedding industry about gay weddings through my workshops and webinar course. I get that the laws are changing and there's a lot of catch-up to do. But ultimately gay weddings are good for business. They might not make you rich but even if your business is just seeing one or two gay weddings a year, that can still end up being significant. And if gay weddings are not legally allowed where you live, then you might get some commitment ceremony business -- it's still good to be ready.

If there are 2.3 million straight weddings a year, gay weddings will never come close to touching that number. But nevertheless, gay weddings are here -- and here to stay. Isn't it time your business caught up?

I wish I made this stuff up but here are 10 real-life examples of things wedding professionals should NOT say to engaged same-sex couples!

"Where's the bride?" (to two grooms)
There may be one bride, two brides or no brides! Be careful not to make assumptions!

"Is one of you going to wear the dress and one of you wear the tux?" (said to brides and grooms)
Gender roles are archaic and potentially offensive to couples. Ask open ended questions instead, like "What are you going to wear to your wedding?"

"That's not what happens at a real wedding!"
Who's to say what happens at a real wedding? What is a real wedding anymore? Don't invalidate this couple's wedding planning decisions.

"How do your parents feel about all this?"
Their parents may be over the moon, completely horrified, or a little of both. Ultimately it may be none of your business.

"I'm so thrilled to meet you. You know, I was bisexual in college!"
LGBT people hate to be tokenized. Don't try to relate to us by saying things like that. Just be yourself and treat LGBT couples with respect.

"I'm thrilled to be supportive of your alternative lifestyle!"
Being LGBT isn't a choice - so please don't make comments which imply that it is.

"Oh, is that even legal?"
Whether or not the marriage will be legal is irrelevant. If the LGBT couple wants to plan a wedding, fantastic!

"Which way do you swing?" (inappropriate sexual question)
Stay away from anything even remotely sexual...it's none of your business!

"Yes, we will plan homosexual weddings here."
The word "homosexual" has all kinds of negative connotations related to the early days when it was actually considered a mental disorder to be gay. Stay away from that term!

"So will there be drag queens and show tunes at this wedding?"
Maybe. Maybe not. But just because it's a gay wedding doesn't mean that you should assume that all of the cliches are true.

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I'll never forget the day that I went for a cake tasting with a pair of my brides. We arrived to a bakery where I'd been plenty of times before and had great experiences. When she saw us, the assist...
I'll never forget the day that I went for a cake tasting with a pair of my brides. We arrived to a bakery where I'd been plenty of times before and had great experiences. When she saw us, the assist...
 
 
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07:23 AM on 02/10/2012
The whole idea is that of a fringe group of wingnuts. It should not be allowed between two same sex room mates playing house. End of story.
09:36 PM on 02/09/2012
loving this thread
09:40 PM on 02/08/2012
how about you call it a same sex wedding instead of a gay wedding. YOU don't know how they "swing" either. Perhaps the couple is bisexual not gay and are marrying a same sex partner.
09:44 PM on 02/05/2012
Why does the GLBT community insist on using the term "Marriage" while rejecting the terms "Bride", "Groom", "Wife", And "Husband" ? Could it be that they really don't care about anything more than offending the Traditional, Christian, Conservative Right ? Just saying.
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03:05 PM on 02/06/2012
Who is rejecting these terms? What are you talking about?
09:06 PM on 02/06/2012
The radical gay left was and continues to reject these terms. When this whole "equal rights" thing first came up the concern was equal "legal" rights. At that time the offer was made by the traditional christian conservatives, as well as those in the legal community, that these same rights could and would be offered under the term "civil unions". The vast majority of the GLBT community was all for it; remember all they wanted was their "legal rights". Correct ? It was at this point that the radicals insisted on the term "marriage" and since then we've had nothing but this ongoing debate with very little movement on either side!
06:24 AM on 02/08/2012
Very good point. It is all about the shock value and the manipulation of our cincerns for moral relationships and the future of our great nation. Its a choice and nothing more. Same sex room mates playing house should not be allowed to marry. End of story.
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09:50 AM on 02/09/2012
Trust me, it has nothing to do with shock value. Religion is a choice, protected by a secular government. That's the end of the story. By simply living our lives, gay people are not out to shock the easily shockable (you). We just want equal protection under secular law. We love America just as much as anti-equal rights wingnuts (you). This is a country with a secular government for the express purpose of protecting freedom of religion. That's why we fight for equality, one of the ideals that this country was founded on.
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08:08 AM on 02/05/2012
Traditionally, the bride's parents pay for the wedding. In these cases do they just split the bill 50/50?
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08:06 AM on 02/05/2012
Finally, someone admits that being gay is not a lifestyle choice. But marriage is a lifestule choice. We shouldn't be mixing the two.
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09:52 AM on 02/09/2012
You don't have to mix them if you don't want to. Not allowing two consenting adults to enter into a civil contract because they are the same sex seems pretty silly to me, as well as discriminatory.
04:32 AM on 02/05/2012
Our daughter came to us 6 months ago and explained she had a girlfriend. It took us by suprise especially my wife, she is my youngest child of three, this caused alot of conversations within the family. I could tell she was very unsure of how we would feel, especially me. She always said her dad was uncensored, and I am not very pc. I love my daughter more than life it's self, and would accept just about any life she chose, so I just explained to her that people especially family can and will be cruel because soceity as a whole has not accepted gay couples as of yet and she needs to be ready for such ignorrant comments even from me from time to time.
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10:01 AM on 02/09/2012
Don't let yourself off the hook in advance for saying "ignorrant" comments. You need to apologize for the comments you made in the past and tell her you will never say them again because your daughter is a treasure and has displayed courage unimaginable in living openly. Remember, society, as a majority, is accepting gay people. You and your daughter should be happy to know that a majority of American citizens are PRO-GAY MARRIAGE and its legal in our nation's capitol! That is great news. Your daughter, if she wants, can form a family with all the legal protections that you enjoyed forming yours.
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02:07 AM on 02/05/2012
This is an addition to the rule ,they have the right to ask. Unless they are mind readers !!!!.
05:35 AM on 02/05/2012
Well, would a heterosexual couple like it when the bakery(or just non-specific people) asks them if they like certain tings in bed? Not their business..nope.

Put a heterosexual couple there and imagine what questions are appropriate and which are not..or a mixed race couple.

"Oh is that even allowed here?"

"Sure, we plan your interracial marriage"
Why not just marriage, why interracial or homosexual? It is just another marriage, nothing else

"We are supportive of your alternative lifestyle to marry someone black/jewish/mexican"

WTF?

And who has the right to say to a heterosexual couple
"This is not how it is done with real weddings" when they choose something out of the norm?
01:46 AM on 02/05/2012
I agree that there are questions that should never be asked of any couple. However honest, simple questions that could be asked of most weddings should be acceptable if you don't know it's a same sex couple, especially if they're answers effects what products a person might recommend. The example of the ladies in the bakery if the baker's assistant didn't know was a simple honest question. All they had to do was say we both are to diffuse the situation. Enough of people wearing they're feeling on they're shoulders. If your going to do anything out of the normal way of doing things then expect occasional uncomfortable questions but not hateful or rude questions. Remember this is a new idea to a lot of people even if they know it's a same sex couple getting married. So expect some confused questions as the person may be confused about the whole idea. A little patience and understanding on both sides works wonders.
01:34 AM on 02/05/2012
I did wedding photography for years and, usually, the photographer was the first person contacted about a wedding! One 'standard' question I always asked was about the interior of the church/chapel so I could plan lighting. Next question was the colors of the wedding attire. 99% of the time, the planning hadn't gotten that far yet! I always kept an album of other weddings I'd done; it gave the couple a chance to decide what shots they wanted and didn't want. One of those 'sample shots' always got the attention of the 'bride': in that wedding, the bride and groom both wore a tux! The groom's was a traditional one but the bride's was a standard tuxedo top (ruffles, bow-tie, cumberbund and tails) but with shorts or 'hot pants' instead of the regular pants! I had a lot of weddings where the bride wore a tux as well! Even had one wedding where the bride was in the tux and the groom wore a kilt! As far as questions go from a bakery, how do you ask about the traditional 'groom's cake' and, if figurines are wanted on the top layer, which figures are wanted? There ARE some questions that have to be asked, no matter if it's a same-sex or traditional wedding! NO WAY to avoid them or word them and be PC!
12:18 AM on 02/05/2012
Who in their Right Mind would ask such Ungracious Questions or make such Ungracious Comments?!
01:48 AM on 02/05/2012
You'd be surprised at how many people have no idea how to ask questions that are PC! One of my best friends is a transgender: she just celebrated her "5th. Birthday" this week! (No, we are NOT a 'couple'!) She finds it funny to see and hear people react that knew her 'before'! Many people assume that my friend was gay before and had the 'gender re-assignment surgery' to make the boyfriend happy. It's not that way at all! My friend is almost 60 and has no interest in a romance! This 'sex change' was to correct a birth defect! (It's rare but it happens!) Doctors discovered my friend had female DNA and overies 10 years ago, At age 50, my friend began going through puberty! The chest grew, body and facial hair began to vanish and his health declined. It was either correct this birth defect or die: my friend chose to live and I supported him/her. I'm not 'pro-gay' or 'anti-gay': I just accept it and go one as it's NOT my place to judge anyone! BTW, research by Duke University indicated that 1 in 10,000 men and 1 in 25,000 women have the same birth defect!
10:59 AM on 02/05/2012
Best Wishes and May Good come to Your Friend and to You Also.
Thanks for being Compassionate, Kind and Understanding.
You Friend is Very Lucky to have You as a Friend.
Alex!
11:24 PM on 02/04/2012
I understand what you are saying but, you need to realize that gay marriage is a new thing happening and you cant expect people to immediately catch on and you certainly cant be upset with people for not being politically correct regarding something new and"taboo" to our society. If you are gay and this does happen to you, i hope you realize that you are the minority and gay marriage is new to us so dont be upset with someone for not assuming or realizing that you are a same sex couple.
11:19 PM on 02/04/2012
HUH? Who wrote this junk? Reminds of a Miss Manners column. "Dear Miss Manners, I am going to be introduced to a lesbian couple this weekend. What should I say? Dear Gentle Reader, Try How do you do and how do you do."

I Married my same-gender spouse in 2008. When I told my mom we were getting married, her response was (innocent and priceless)...."Who's taking whose name?" I paused, then belly laughed. She's was a 1950's bride.
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10:07 AM on 02/09/2012
adorable
10:58 PM on 02/04/2012
As a gay woman myself, I would have to say calm down. There are many more men-women getting married as there are gays, so the questions asked like "who is the bride" when there is a group of women in the room is totally appropriate!!!! I think most of this is only so much hog-wash. I don't get offended by these kinds of questions. And no, being gay for me was not a choice, it is who I am. But I don't wear a neon sign that says "i'm gay" so ask away. I hate that society is becoming so sensitive that we can't ask questions of each other without someone's little feelings getting hurt. Get over yourselves and live your life!!
10:51 PM on 02/04/2012
This situation is the Fault of the "expert" wedding planner. She should have walked into the bakery and introduced herself as the wedding planner and the 2 women as the wedding couple. The wedding planner should have been fired not the baker who was put into an awkward situation by the wedding planner.

Three women walk into a bakery and the baker has no idea who is who. One could be the wedding planner, one could be part of the wedding couple and one could be the maid of honor or the sister of the bride whether this is a gay or straight wedding.

Today I ordered something at home depot and after giving my name the person asked if I was Italian. I am asked this on average 2x per week after giving my name. Should I be offended? It makes no difference if I am Italian when ordering a sink at home depot. It does matter to a baker who selling a cake who is the person getting married so this was not a stupid question.