Are these people really incapable of comprehending? Or are they just pretending not to understand?
The law whose purpose is to penalize negationist revisionism, voted before Christmas by the French parliament, does not propose to write history in the place of historians. And this for the simple reason that this history has been told and written, well written, for a long time. This we have always known: that, beginning in 1915, the Armenians were the victims of a methodic attempt at annihilation. A wealth of literature has been devoted to the subject, based in particular upon the confessions offered by the Turkish criminals themselves, starting with Hoca Ilyas Sami, almost immediately after the fact. From Yehuda Bauer to Raul Hilberg, from researchers at Yad Vashem to Yves Ternon and others, no serious historian casts doubt upon this reality or denies it. In other words, this law has nothing to do with the will to establish a truth of state. No representative of the French National Assembly who voted for it saw himself as a substitute for historians or their work. Together, they only intended to recall this simple right, that of each of us not to be publicly attacked -- and its corollary, the right to demand reparations for this particularly outrageous offense which is the insult to the memory of the dead. It is a question of law, not one of history.
Presenting this law as one that denies liberty, one likely to hamper the work of historians is another strange argument that makes one wonder. It is the negationist revisionists who, up until now, have hampered the work of historians. It is their mad ideas, their hare-brained concepts, their twisting of facts, their terrifying and breathtaking lies that shake the earth upon which, in principle, a science should be built. And in punishing them, making their task more complicated, alerting the public that it is dealing not with scholars but with those who would enflame minds, that the law protects and shelters history. Is there one historian who has been prevented from working on the Shoah by the Gayssot law punishing denial of the Holocaust? Is there one author who, in good conscience, can claim that it has limited his freedom to do research and to raise questions? And isn't it clear that the only ones this law has seriously hindered are the Faurissons, the Irvings, and the other Le Pens? Well, the same applies to the genocide of the Armenians. This law, when the Senate will have ratified it, will be a stroke of fortune for historians, who can finally work in peace. Unless... Yes, unless those who oppose the law express this other, cloudier reservation: that it would be a bit premature to come to a conclusion, precisely and for nearly a century, of "genocide".
Some still say, isn't there some other way than the law to intimidate the "assassins on paper"? And hasn't the truth in itself, in its starkness and its rigour, the means to defend itself and to triumph over those who would deny it? It is a vast debate, one which has been discussed, in parenthesis, since the origins of philosophy. And to which one adds, in the case at hand, a specific parameter stating that, when in doubt, it is prudent to make sure one is backed up by the law. This parameter is the negationist revisionism of the Turkish State. And this specificity is that the negationists there are not just a vague bunch of cranks, but people who are supported by resources, diplomacy, the capacity for blackmail and retaliation of a powerful State. Imagine the situation of the survivors of the Shoah had the German State been a negationist State after the war. Imagine the immensity of their additional distress and anger had they been confronted, not with a sect of loonies, but with an unrepentant Germany that brought pressure upon their partners by threatening them with angry retaliation should they call the extermination of the Jews at Auschwitz genocide. It is, mutatis mutandis, the situation of the Armenians. And that is also why they have the right to a law.
And finally, I would add that it's time to stop mixing everything up and drowning the Armenian tragedy in the ritualized blahblahblah assailing the "memorial laws". For this law is not a memorial law. It is not one of those dangerous power plays capable of laying the path for dozens if not hundreds of absurd or blackguardly rules, codifying what one has the right to say about the Saint Bartholomew's Day massacre, the meaning of colonization, slavery, the Civil War, the misdemeanor of blasphemy and heaven knows what else. It is a law concerning a genocide -- which is not the same. It is a law sanctioning those who, in denying it, intensify and perpetuate the genocidal act -- which is something else entirely. There are not, thank God, hundreds of genocides, or even dozens. There are three. Four, if we add the Cambodians to the Armenians, the Jews, and the Rwandans. And to place these three or four genocides on the same level as all the rest, to make their penalization the antechamber of a political correctness that authorizes a stream of useless or perverse laws on the disputed aspects of our national memory, to say, "Watch it! You're opening a Pandora's box from which everything and anything can pop out !" is another imbecility, exacerbated by another infamy and sealed with a dishonesty that is, really, grotesque.
Let us confront this specious line of argument with the wisdom of national representation. And may the senators complete the process by refusing to be intimidated by this little band of historians.
Some modified to Mosques or government places or a place for raising their herd...
I am not a religious person
My religion is my Humanity
I came to serve any person called Human without knowing who is thee
The churches indicate how many people lived there to build and pray
Did the Ottomans paid them to build as they do in Europe and USA?
Churches existed before Seljuks arrived to abolish to say before the 13th century
Armenians build by carving rocks with basic instruments 'Day and Night'
They build Ottomans minarets mosques the same way...
For them to pray and shout and call others to end the genes of Armenians
They build them by their sweat...scavengers arrived to abolish and why?
Is this written in their religious book, which is Quran?
Which they took it from Arabs...pretending they are muslims!
If your read every word in Quran you will never commit such crimes
Arabs never abolished Churches...Since they arrived in the 6th century
They did the opposite they go and pray there and make wishes
If their wish becomes real.They come and pay their gold and money
They throw their gold chains with the Quran in the church box
My father Krikor was responsible to open the boxes of an old church in Baghdad
I think called St Mary...was there may be in 11th century.
Sylva
As i Write instantly...
Thanks
Sylva
I am not a religious person...My Religion is my Humanity
I came to serve any person called Human...
But this indicate how many people lived there to build churches
Did the Ottomans paid them to build?
The churches existed before Seljuks arrived to abolish
Armenians build by Carving stones Day and Night
They build Ottomans minarets... mosques...the same way...
For them to pray and shout and call others to end the genes of Armenians
They build them by their sweat
But others came to abolish...
Is this written in your religious book, which is Quran...?
If your read every word in Quran you will never do it...
Arabs never abolished Churches...Since they arrived in the 6th century
They did the opposite... they go and pray there and make wishes ...
If their wish became real they come and pay their gold and money...
They throw their gold chains with the Quran in the Box
My father was responsible to open the boxes of the church In Baghdad
and he was amazed...To read their wishes and presents...
In an interview with Istanbul-based Armenian Agos newspaper, Mr. Uçman also said "1915 events in the Ottoman Empire were a great tragedy."
“We need to fight against armed groups instead of striking the peaceful population. This is exactly what happened in 1915.Though I do not recognize 1915 events as genocide, I view deportation of peaceful civilians as a mistake. In this context, I apologize to the Armenian people,” he noted.
Source: Oratert
http://www.oratert.com/english/english/regional-news/14619.html
They were converted ti Islam by their scimitars still they live around Black Sea...see what he says,
This is to turk propagandists: We Hamshentsi are 100% Armenian! Because of fascist turkish government many Hamshen in turkey are afraid to say who they are. But we all know! Hamshen people are ancient people of the Armenian house of Hamam! Hamam-shen shortened into Hamshen. "-shen" is from Armenian "shenel" means "to build". Like Arta-shen, Bagrata-shen or Tigrana-shen, Hamshen are people of the Armenian princely house of Hamam who build the area and populated it. WE ARE ARMENIANS WE ARE ONE !
PeopleOfAr
From the book: "A Poetic Soul Shined of Genocides" 2008
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Tale of Darkest Night in Bengali Genocide
I never knew poor Bengalis
Had also their genocide
Till I met a young gardener, Mubarak,
Who spoke about all the details with a broken rank.
Every Friday, he tended our garden
To plant flowers, arrange the pots and remove dead leaves.
Each time he demonstrated how Pakistanis
Killed their villagers, even those with white beards,
How their militants raped most of the women,
Leaving them pregnant, humiliated, speared.
However they never killed pregnant women like the Ottomans did
With Armenians—they were raped and escaped to have illegal sons.
The gardener made me interested in their genocide.
I read what I found till I understood the “slayers dine”!
They started killing university scholars and their
Students when they wanted to protect their teachers
From military savages, scary and inhuman,
Who wanted to vanish unarmed Bengalis,
Impose their jungle rule on East Pakistan.
This all was designed by the evil “Pak militants.”
Stories of victims are many, unwritten yet.
After I was Informed, I asked others; few knew about “slayers grade”!
Bloodthirsty Pakistani army enjoyed and covered unpaid.
Bengalis genocide named “deadly night”*still hidden unread.
Sylva-MD-Poetry
He denies the genocide
How about million innocents were slayed
Who denies he doesn't possess humanity genes...
The article above unfortunately sanctions truncation of freedom of speech in the belief that ends justify the means.
Holocaust was tested at Nuremberg, a competent tribunal, after due process, where the intent to exterminate was proven despite defense arguments. A competent court never met in the Armenian claims case; intent to exterminate was never proven beyond a claim loaded with misrepresentations; and a genocide verdict was never rendered. Insisting on the verdict of genocide, therefore, is little more than a lynch mob claiming they know enough to convict and execute a suspect. Te French attempt, by a few bigoted politicians voted in by less than 10% of the members of the French parliament, simply expands the reach of this vociferous, nagging, and aggressive lynch mob now.
Rest in peace, freedom of speech in France ...
We have lands we lost all... we have papers we can't claim any thing... we started from scratch ...
I am Armenian from Western Armenian now bloody turkey where they are killing Kurds... my grandparents left their land...their money their belongings escaped bare ...
Go and see Desert of Der-zor in Syria till now their bones can shine at night because of phosphorus in the bones...Many Beduin married Armenians
Now there are more than Armenian in turkey who are Tukified...Their namre is changed from Allen to Muhamad from Willson to Oglu...Did you understand They can't pray they don't know who are they ...lost complete identity parentless...
You all lost humanity...Only you know English and you know few words how to write ...
but you don't have fillings
Shame on you ...Be fair and don't deny ...
I will curse everyone who denies what we went through...
Which century we are living in Shame
Shame on every human who lost humanity cells ...
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We are here to prove how much we suffered
Since our childhood
Hearing the real stories of the genocide...
When writers write from their bleeding scares
Are different from those who write with their pen...
Without feeling any pain...!
The sun always in shine
We should live on earth
Without Nakba without Genocide
We are born without religion
Religion are used a tool to kill and confiscate
If any of us has a real faith will not committ any slay...
Well said Boyajian! This deserved to be showcased.
Where are you?
Also, there are many contemporaneous reports from Ottoman Armenians that the Armenian quarters were looted by the invading Russian army that the Ottoman Armenian Dashnak insurgents had helped (See Garegin Pasdermajian, Why Armenia Should be Free published in 1918).
You, and Boyajian, should also know that via treaty, both the newly formed republics of Turkey and Armenia agreed that all Ottoman Armenians who had not committed crimes during WWI and thereafter had the right of return, could obtain citizenship in Turkey and regain possession of their properties.
Those who left the country and walked through Der-Zor desert were all orphans, their parents were killed, how they can return and find their homes...They had no money no cloths...It is good that they had their heart beat...
Many Arab Beduins found them in the desert either kept them or sold them...
Now some Saudi Royal families have Armenian grandmothers ...And many tribes Al-Anazi tribes...Al-Shamarri-Tribes...Al-Dufayri Tribes ...They use to call them Turkish orphans ... BuT they knew well they were Armenians
Endless stories can be written about them...
Hally...You are saying things which can't be applied...
Only ink on the paper...
Like Saddam Hussain always wanted people to come back to be killed...
And the same he did for his son-in-laws ...He killed them once they arrived.
"Denial is the final stage of genocide," says Gregory Stanton, president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. "It is a continuing attempt to destroy the victim group psychologically and culturally, to deny its members even the memory of the murders of their relatives. That is what the Turkish government today is doing to Armenians around the world."
Do you think you are fooling anybody?????