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Do Teacher Ratings Matter to Parents?

Posted: 10/27/10 02:41 AM ET

New York City wants to give the media thousands of teacher evaluations that are based largely on student test scores. Some 12,000 teachers have been rated with these "teacher data reports" in a pilot program to see which teachers are most effective at raising student achievement.

Researchers call these "value-added" measurements. The Obama administration is encouraging districts to measure teachers in part with student test scores, though many academics say there's still no perfect system. The Los Angeles Times created an uproar in August when it released the names of 6,000 teachers it had rated with test scores.

New York City's teachers union went to court to block its ratings from being released and a judge has scheduled a hearing for late November. The United Federation of Teachers argues that city agreed to keep the names of the teachers private if asked for any ratings by the media. But the city claims recent Freedom of Information requests make that argument null and void, though in the past it's released the ratings to publications and researchers without naming any teachers.

The union's other argument is that these ratings are "unreliable, often incorrect, subjective analyses dressed up as scientific facts." The reports rely on state test scores that the union doesn't trust, after New York state changed its scoring system this year to make the tests harder to pass. The union also says the formula for rating a teacher -- and placing him or her in a certain percentile of effectiveness -- is highly confusing, and won't be properly understood by parents. Mayor Bloomberg's administration says parents have a right to know. The city uses a formula to determine how well the teacher's class performed on state math and reading tests compared to how well those same students were expected to score based on past performance. The formula is supposed to isolate the teacher's effectiveness by screening out factors such as poverty, special needs, class size, and gender.

All of which raises a question: do parents even care about these evaluations? I spoke with a handful of public school parents while covering the lawsuit for WNYC. While my survey was very small (fewer than 10 individuals) the responses weren't surprising. Parents who were satisfied with their schools weren't clamoring for the reports. But those who weren't as confident were much more curious.

Virginia Diaz, who has children with special needs, had no sympathy for teachers when they complain about being rated with test scores. "They sound like they're the kids," she said. "Like they're the children because it's basically, it's life... everything has to change from the way we're learning."

"They have to question themselves too," Diaz added. "If they're not helping or not connecting [with students] then there is a problem."

Her friend Natividad Sanchez, who has one child still in preschool and another who's already graduated, said "I would love to see the teacher's name and know how far my child has gone in school."

Tom Maeglin of the Bronx, however, was in no rush to get these scores. His twin ninth graders go to some of the most selective high schools in the city -- Bronx High School of Science and LaGuardia High School, also known as the "Fame" school.

"I'll be banging on the door of my teachers' classroom when I need to see them, but I don't need the city to give me extra data in order for me to make a decision on how well my teacher's done."

"I'm not going to be judging them based on what 45 other kids did in their classroom," he added.

I heard the same thing from a Brooklyn couple whose eight grader attends a well-regarded school. "I think it's private because if I was a teacher I would rather stay private," said Tea Gigauri, as her husband nodded. "If I want to do something I go and talk to the teachers myself."

Those responses didn't surprise me because parents who figure out how to get their children into good schools are generally pretty savvy. I've seen this time and time again in my reporting. They move to certain neighborhoods to get into the right zone for a good school, or send their child to take gifted and talented exams at age five. They don't need teacher ratings. If they have any problems, they'll seek out solutions. But parents who aren't as knowledgeable about the education system, or who have been burned by past experiences, aren't likely to feel as secure. This is a city with over 1,600 public schools and more than 75,000 teachers. Those numbers are pretty overwhelming, especially for newcomers.

Brooklyn parent Mirko Gutierreztold had one solution. He's got children in the second and 11th grades and he seemed curious about the teacher ratings. But that he felt badly for teachers who would have to see their names in the press. He suggested that maybe the city should only release the names of teachers who were willing to go public.

In today's heated climate surrounding public education, though, that's not likely. People want better schools. And there's more data than ever before, and many more ways to use it.

 

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01:04 AM on 10/28/2010
As both a parent and a college level teacher this bias towards measuring this and that in ways that give you tidy numbers and pie charts is...appalling. That's not what education is about. We would obviously hope that each class or grade level passes on a certain set of skills before the student can move onwards. Standardized tests don't achieve that completely. Inability of students to master those skills is not always the fault of the teacher. What makes a good teacher is so much more nebulous than can be measured easily, what constitutes learning the skill is not easily defined, and yet we still look for these easy answers to put a quick thumbs up or thumbs down on something that is the soul of our educational system. There have to be better answers, but it seems like we just keep trying to shine up this same tired one that isn't working.
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Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
05:37 PM on 10/27/2010
When we pay our politicians based on value added evaluations of how their constituents are doing; crime, employment, etc. then I might consider doing something like that for teachers.

In them meantime, I'd say this is just another ploy by the rich and powerful to finally get their hands on that elusive education tax dollar that they failed to acquire through privatization, vouchers, NCLB, standardized testing, etc. They just want to destroy what used to be the finest public education system in the world for personal profit. It's greed. Pure and simple.
05:29 PM on 10/27/2010
For whatever reason it may or may not be important for the public to see rating scores of teachers. Most people do not realize how subjective the test scores are. Some teachers have told me they have to bribe the children with a party to get students to do well on the test. Another teaching friend was told by her class "We gonna make you lose your job..." Some students completed the test in as little as five minutes randomly marking answers. Some students made designs in the answer sheet, others sent messages on the four column answer sheet, "hate tests", "f.... tests," etc. Since many schools have proctors who sit in the class during testing the teachers are not allowed to correct answer sheets with the foregoing?

Most schools of education defend the sanctity of standardized testing as reliable measures of teacher quality. What is odd is there were few if any hits for ability of the tests to measure student achievement in a Google search using key words "standardized tests effective predictors of student achievement." In Google Scholar the bias is still toward measuring teachers rather than student achievement. The questions that come to mind are; Do the tests really measure student achievement? Are the tests actually measuring teacher quality in teaching to the test? Are the tests actually measuring teacher persuasiveness in bribing students with a party to do well on the tests?