New Rule: Popular Hispanics
New Rule: The Republican Party needs to just get it over with and tell the entire Hispanic community to go f*&$k themselves...
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Reading many comments, I find it hilarious that Latinos are considered as a monolithic group with single mindset whereas it is perfectly normal that we, Caucasians, don't all share the same opinions :o)
Oh but what's the fun in racism if you can't reduce an entire group of people to the most simplistic stereotypes possible!
Latinos are not a race by the way. There are: whites, blacks, mixed, asian decent, indians of many races, even Jews who are Latinos.
Get educated people. You can't categorize a HUGE group of people and think all Latinos think alike. This is like saying that an entire continent has the same ideas and thoughts.
(Catholic) Latinos--which is the majority of Latinos--do have a conservative-minded tendencies... I do fear the day if and when the Republicans figure out a way to convert them over to their side. [shudders]
As a Hispanic raised in a catholic house I'd disagree with you. Hispanics do not have a conservative-minded tendencies. The only values Hispanic share with Conservatives is a strong family values. But saying that your telling me the Dems are the party of anti-family. The only Hispanic republicans I know are old angry Cubans that are still upset at Kennedy. Hispanic are either Dems or don't care about politics. Republicans are just digging into a deeper whole.
I agree with you 100%. Even when Latinos are conservative, they tend to be more liberal and open minded than other groups. For instance, you don't see Latino families trying to get their kids into arranged marriages. I've heard stories from my friends telling me how they are afraid their significant other's parents do not want them to have boyfriends who are not asian or white. I've never heard such crazy things with Latino families. I know this because I am Latino.
I don't agree with your "hispanics are either Dems or don't care about politics"
I know many Latinos who actually care about politics and are Democrats. One of my good friends helped Obama with his campaign and even took a picture with him when Obama visited Harvard.
Hispanics, due to their conservative tendencies, would normally form a group that would be a "natural" for the republicants; however, due to the high percentages of ras cists in that party, the Hispanics are marginalized. Makes me happy seeing more Hispanics moving away from the republicant party.
missouriwatcher, I assume you haven't really visited any country outside the US? I suggest going to Mexico City for an eye opener. You will see the people from Mexico City to be very very open minded even when labeled a conservative.
How do I know this? In Mexico City, abortion is legal (there are restrictions of course), there is the gay parade, sex education in schools (nation wide), same sex marriage, public kissing..and I mean kissing (nationwide).
More nationwide facts from Mexico: No churches or religious buildings are allowed nearby public schools, church and state are truthfully separate. (unlike Utah).
As you can see, it's not as easy as you may think.
I didn't finish last post. I was saying it is not as easy as you may think to label all latinos as conservatives. I think people need to get exposed and get to know whatever they are talking about. There are many people who think socialism is bad, yet they have never set foot in a socialist country.
My point is to not judge a person w/o getting to know them first and that applies to all of you who think Latinos are some sort of exact copy of each other who have the same ideas and thoughts.
Just like every other group, everyone thinks different. There are conservatives, liberals, crazy ones and smart people.
Mark Sanford could never compete with Sonia Sotomayor!
The terms "Hispanic/Latino" are labels created by White people to describe Non-White people.
The GOP isn't against Hispanics, they are against MEXICANS.
Mexicans have a lot of INDIAN blood, and are a visual reminder of the original people of this continent.
"Hispanic" is a euphemism created by whites so that they don't have to say MEXICAN!
The GOP would be perfectly fine with White Chilean and Cuban Hispanics.
You assume Republicans are bothered by Mexicans because they have Native American features? For that to be true would mean the Republicans cared what happened to Native Americans back in the day, but they don't, so I think your logic is flawed. The majority of Republicans just don't like anyone who is different than themselves.
There's a word for that: Xenophobic. It's often associated with Nazi's too.
What TruthandJustice101 points out does have truth to it. We lump hispanics as one population but if you are from a Latino country that is looked more favorable upon like Chile or Argentina, you will be viewed differently. Not only does it come down to what these countries have to offer the US but it also has to do with physical characteristics and the historical events that have placed being Mexican, Chilean or Cuban on different social locations.
Back in the day? The US government didn't stop abusing the Native Americans in the 1800s. Do some research and look at the policies of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and Indian Health Services. It wasn't pretty even in the 1970s, 80s and into the 90s and today. Very sad.
There are about 44 different races in Mexico.
People who come into our country in violation of our laws, regardless of color or race, are here illegally and as such should have to held responsible for their actions.
I guess that means the Pilgrims and their "anchor babies" are here illegally, since they didn't come here with OUR permission and in violation of our sovereignty.
Signed,
The Indigenous Peoples of North America
That's what you get for not having a system of ownership, I guess.
Just so there's no more confusion. When I mention anarchy I refer to the lunatic fringe of the left (not illegal immigrants); that believe there should be no immigration law other than open borders. Those that stick their heads in the sand and won't heed or even acknowledge CBO analysis, which in the least should be somewhat disconcerting. Those that are so self righteous and where thinking is an inconvenience to party doctrine and, for many, is substituted for group think and silly one liner vitriolic attacks. That believe hate is a Republican issue versus an innate human failing.
The unspoken truth about many represented in this string is that it's more important the issue be about votes that can be curried than principles of sound immigration policy, that as long as the boat isn't rocked the votes can be achieved. That's the anarchy I refer to. The more ignorant are blind to this of course and just follow the feel good crowd with the need to belong.
Ah, you mention ignorance and silly one liner vitriolic attacks by the left. How silly, you use so much hypocrisy in one post. If what you said wasn't so incredibly disappointing and embarrassing it would be laughable. Let me key you in on how elections work. ONLY CITIZENS CAN VOTE. There could be 1 or 1 million illegal immigrants and it still won't affect the outcome of the election. Don't let your xenophobic fears cloud your judgment. If you actually opened your eyes to the REAL issue you would realize how you are not only mischaracterizing the left, but you are also wrong.
Let's not feign to be obtuse, or maybe you are. Notwithstanding, the intent of the elitists is to pass amnesty for illegals, for a number of reasons, but it also represents a "voting" block. Amnesty has already been attempted without first dealing with securing the border, which makes amnesty pointless.
The liberals have been currying favor; defending sanctuary cities, delaying E-Verify, slowing progress on protecting the border etc., it's all about winning the hearts of a perceived built in electorate.
This is in fact the point in Maher's quip, let the Republicans in effect &%* themselves by not pandering, through promoting security first etc. The conservatives have put the foot down to the elitist right on a principled stand. Those that are for protecting the border and who want sensible and orderly immigration. For Democrats the ends justify the means. It's foolish to think that future voters aren't part of the equation that stymies progress to securing the border.
Obama is for amnesty, although he is also for securing the border; or so he says. Let's hope that the impetus is for security first, and not a light hearted attempt.
In essence, to your misguided point, if illegals become citizens, they have the right to vote.
Actually, I thought 1/3 of Latinos were Republicans. I think Maher has a weak argument here.
Why is it that people constantly flip-flop between the terms "Hispanic" and "Latino"?
(The original article title says "Hispanic", not "Latino" as in your comment.)
Example: "The Hispanic congressional leadership said today that the Latino polulation should stop complaining. The GOP agreed and said Hispanic issues have their place with the Latino community, but Latino issues do not have a place with the Hispanic community, unless the Hispanic-Latino Bicultural Committee gets approval from the Latino-Hispanic Committee for Hispanic issues in the Latino communities. People in the Hispanic community agreed, but the Latino community disagreed."
WHEW!!!
if these are such cut-and-dried absolute terms then why can't anyone agree on which term to use?
Is it bcause neither term is correct? Maybe what people really want to say is MEXICANS.
Most people from a Latin American background prefer the term "Latino" . I suggest to start using this term.
It is about 30%. But the majority still go Democrat, and even that 30% the Republicans have are slowly being chiseled away by the Right's xenophobia and racism.
Where was Bill Maher's outrage when Miguel Estrada was filibustered for 3 years, or when DNC attack ads claimed that Mel Martinez was selling out his Hispanic roots?
Do you honest to g@d think this guy was turned down BECAUSE he was Latino? Ding dong, you're wrong
Who the heck is Miguel Estrada? Never even heard of him before the Republicans made him their new "Joe the Judge" If his credentials were good he may not have been voted down, under Bush ideology.
So when the Dems do it, it's not racism, but when the GOP does it, it must be? Brilliant.
Now that the GOP has Michael Steele to counter OBama (NOT!!) all they have to do is find a hispanic to counter Sotomayor. Atleast that is the extent of their immature thinking :-)
Maybe Palin will get a tan and start speaking spanish. LOL
Fatally stupid politics...well we are at times fatally stupid voters too.
I'm still waiting for Palin to start speaking English!!
LOL
:)
Oh God, this had me in stitches.
Bill, have you ever heard of Miguel Estrada?????
The exception proves the rule. You get one token Hispanic, and therefore you're not out of touch. Ask Mr. Steele how it feels to always be the only black guy in the room when addressing Republican legislators.
Oh please, that is insulting.
Let's revisit the talking points from Democrats responding to the nomination of Miguel Estrada. They said, we cannot have an Hispanic on the Federal bench!! They said it, but what they really meant to say was we cannot have a conservative Hispanic on the bench!! God forbid that blacks and hispanics wake up and become independent thinkers, not victims and do well for themselves, without the poverty p!mp!ng of Jesse and Al, then the p!mps would be out of business.
The point of affirmative action is to hire QUALIFIED minorities for positions they might have ordinarily been denied.
Republicans seem to have missed this important aspect of affirmative action. See: Steele, Palin, and Estrada.
The Republicans are so out of touch. Next, you'll see a Hispanic Michael Steele, and they'll wonder why such a devious devilish move will get them no Hispanic votes.
so Sotomayor represents the whole hispanic population?
The man just said "as if all the anti-immigrant hate mongering wasn't bad enough..." That just about covers it.
No kidding.
New Rule, the GOP needs to pull there's heads of there collective butts, unhook the redneck caboose and move on.
I just finished a road trip through Utah and Southern Idaho. The radio is non-stop venom and the only TV station you see on in public areas is FOX.
I really feel sorry for these people. They have no idea what is going on in the outside world. It's as if they are one big commune completely shut out from civilization.
It's a regular 1984 brain washing session.
You don't the half of it...
sigh
This is weird, I live in Utah and I am still confused.
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