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Bill Mann

Bill Mann

Posted: April 26, 2010 01:22 PM

No Federal Help in Arizona, Gov. Brewer? That's a Laugh

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, in signing last week's bill that makes potential criminals out of people with a swarthy complexion, said indignantly that citizens of her state "have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act."

She must be referring to Lou "Still Not Back on TV" Dobbs and his buddies, for swiftly killing comprehensive immigration reform three years ago, legislation even the congenitally clueless Dubya wanted.

That's because the Feds ARE acting, all right, in Arizona. There's a small occupying army in southern Arizona. It's called the Border Patrol.

When we came to Arizona from the Seattle area not long ago and took a vacation rental in the sajuaro-filled desert, my wife and I had no idea we were going to hear Border Patrol helicopters buzzing the area all night. Nor did we know we'd be stopped by the ubiquitous Border Patrol on I-19 every time we entered and exited the Interstate.

We were not expecting to hear on "The CBS Evening News" that 250,000 "illegals" had been detained in our remote Border Patrol sector -- in just the past three months.

Nor did we expect to see helipads and Wackenhut Security roundup buses (with bars on the windows) parked out in the desert near the remote burg of Arivaca as we headed out to go birdwatching in the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge.

We had inadvertently chosen to vacation in Border Patrol Central.

Between Tucson and just north of Amado (where we were staying) lies the retirement town of Green Valley. I'd heard of the Minutemen -- the anti-immigrant forerunners of the Tea Party -- but thought they were a joke more than anything else.

Wrong. They have an active chapter in Green Valley, and they fancy themselves as the "eyes and ears" of the Border Patrol, one eagle-eyed Minuteman proudly told a Tucson daily.

The drive out into the remote and desolate desert just north of the Mexican border, from I-19 to Arivaca, is an eye-opening experience, especially for a couple from the far-off Pacific Northwest, where we live within sight of the Canadian border but rarely see the Border Patrol.

All along that lonely highway, hundreds of empty plastic milk jugs are strewn along the road -- left by Mexicans coming across the border at night. No sign of life, though, during the day - besides all the white Border patrol SUV's, that is.

But an 81-year-old docent/birdwatcher at the Buenos Aires preserve told us he sees Mexican refugees out on the trail often during the day. We asked him what he does when he encounters these "dangerous illegal aliens" while leading birder hikes.

"Nothing; they never bother us," he shrugged.

While we were down in Southern Arizona, humanitarian groups had started leaving bottles full of water along that lonely road in the desert so the desperate and parched "illegals": wouldn't die of thirst. The Border Patrol started arresting and detaining them.

So tell me again, Gov. Brewer, about Washington "failing to act" to keep Mexicans out. I could use a good laugh.

At least, Madame Governor, you might have the decency to thank the army of federal Border Patrol officers for doing a dirty, thankless job out in your desert.


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booker52
avid reader
08:36 AM on 04/29/2010
The day Gov Brewer signed this bill a reporter asked her if she could id an illegal, she said no. Nuf said.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
10:03 AM on 04/29/2010
She's absolutely sure her gardner,, cook and family's nanny are absolutely legal.
Or like most rich people she never asked for their SS card because she doesn't pay it for them.
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:23 PM on 04/29/2010
She's probably paying them in cash so that they don't have to do any of that annoying paperwork or, you know, pay payroll taxes. I really thought Brewer was rather a bit of a cow when she signed the legislation into law. Green Valley Minute Men?? It's a retirement community. The eyes and ears of the boarder. Right, with Coke bottle trifocals and supersonic hearing aids I'm sure they are just what the Boarder Patrol needs.
08:22 AM on 04/29/2010
Something is wrong with your logic. If the border patrol is doing such a great job, why are illegals still coming in droves. The Fed by sticking its head in the sand on this issue by neglecting the problem is penalizing the citizens of Arizona that are most effected by the Fed ineffectiveness. The National Guard can send 150,000 soldiers to Iraq to patrol their borders but not a single soldier to patrol American borders. Why not just fine the employers like Ragan promised during the last amnesty. What makes anyone believe giving amnesty will solve the problem when it did not before.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
09:16 AM on 04/29/2010
The Posse Commitatus act of 1877 forbids the military for being used in law enforcement in the US.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
10:03 AM on 04/29/2010
Texas has sent the National Guard to its border.
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:24 PM on 04/29/2010
Thank goodness.
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BlueFloyd
Aldus Shrugged. The Antidote to Ayn Rand.
07:53 AM on 04/29/2010
Boy, if i was independently wealthy and looked 'the part', i would make it my mission to bait those bozos in arizona, and get myself harrassed by them, and hit them with a federal lawsuit that would make their heads spin.
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:26 PM on 04/29/2010
I can see the "reasons" for probable cause for a stop to become imaginative and novel. Infuriating.
01:17 PM on 04/29/2010
Federal laws state that its a crime to be here "Illegally " good luck on your next bar exam?who knows you could be the frist recipent of the 2011 "Stella wards"?
Seriously does anyone not see the laws are being questioned by the people whos repondsibile for this problem is aiding and abetting the Illegals.
I guess we would be better with Ilegals comming here,commiting a criminal act just to get here and when they make it they get the red carpet treatment,any other country would have arresrted them.
Im not against Legal immigration but I don't think a criminal act should be rewarded when others have to learn English,history Contutiton,and the illegals have to make a deal and pay their way by carrying drugs taped to their bodies and then put in drop houses until you are paid.
Its time to secure these borders ,Obama doesn't think we are at war but it is?The USA issues 1.5 million green cards and visas every year?Most "illegals have crimminal records and they won't even bother with legall ways .
and honestly alot of illegals come here to escape the daily violence that they are exposed to from the lack of protection from their home country? But even this can't be an excuse for breaking and refusing to enforce the existing laws that is supposed to regulate this area of the laws and when the Feds won't do it then let the states alone?
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BlueFloyd
Aldus Shrugged. The Antidote to Ayn Rand.
07:49 AM on 04/29/2010
They would NEVER have done this under w. This was done so they could say the feds are not doing their part, and they could thus embarrass the Obama administration. Before any gooper loons say I'm wrong, remember that your party has committed, on the record, to make this president fail. Thus, how am i wrong?
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jafsie
Fighting for the rights of the already-born
11:10 AM on 04/29/2010
Fanned for both posts.
06:53 AM on 04/29/2010
Comprehensive Imigration reform can and should be discussed at the Federal level; if Republican senators do not block this and other issues in the senate.

The Lewinsky affair distracted the Executive and other lawmakers from pursuing security issues of the time. Have we not learned this?

Now we have had the same with healthcare reform and many other bills preventing those in charge from discussing important issues; coming to consensus; and getting the job done.
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Appleblossom
10:30 AM on 04/29/2010
The Lewinsky scandal did not distract the President from taking on the terrorists and if you are bringing that up, we have more agents on the southern border but only the northern border had wannabe terrorists coming over.
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:30 PM on 04/29/2010
That doesn't fit with the narrative. That guy had explosives. The folks who cross the southern boarder are coming with nothing but the hope they can make it better here than there. The same reason my family came from Russia just before the Bolshevik revolution. They just wanted to have a better life and opportunity. The Lewinsky scandal was a GOP set up of a President from the Democratic party. What a world.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
04:46 AM on 04/29/2010
Obama should withdraw all but a handful of ICE agents and border patrol from AZ.
Say you got it covered...c'ya
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
02:45 AM on 04/29/2010
Well gee, Governor, what was your federal government doing from, say, 2001 to 2006 about illegal immigration? Couldn't it walk and chew gum at the same time during that period?
10:43 PM on 04/28/2010
Yes, wake up! Arizona got no help, Obama sent all the troops to Iraq and Aghanistan!
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:32 PM on 04/29/2010
Huh? The soldiers are being withdrawn from Iraq. Afghanistan is another issue. It's been 10 years and we're doing lousy. We may not have had as many soldiers die in this conflict, but we've sure bankrupted the country. Just what OBL wanted.
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momcat54
09:58 PM on 04/28/2010
The border Patrol is everywhere in ALL the border states. I live in Texas and they are a fact of life. Rick Perry is making noises about passing a law like AZ;s a very scary thought. It is just racial profilling nothing more or less .At least in Nazi Germany Jews could take off their stars and try to pass , it is hard to take off your brown face.
10:46 PM on 04/28/2010
...or change out last names.
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ESerafina42
Abandoned by wolves, raised by Republicans.
02:10 AM on 04/29/2010
"The border Patrol is everywhere in ALL the border states."

I agree with your general point, momcat54, but I assume you mean the SOUTHERN border states. Like Mr. Mann, I live on the northern border - in fact, I can practically see Canada from my house! - and I assume they're around, but they're certainly not "everywhere."
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:47 PM on 04/28/2010
Why don't you try living in a border city or town for a year, not just vacationing for a little while? Yes, the Border Patrol tries its best to patrol the border, but it is a pretty long border and some areas cannot be patrolled because they are nationally protected areas - and tons of trash from illegals crossing those areas have to be picked up regularly (on our tax dollar).

AZ has about 4,000 of the 20,000 Border Patrol agents available. Not that many for the many miles needing patrolling.
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BlueFloyd
Aldus Shrugged. The Antidote to Ayn Rand.
07:51 AM on 04/29/2010
so naturally the ONLY alternative is for the local gop lawmakers and gov to state that the feds are doing nothing, and enact a discirminatory, unconstitutional law.
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Appleblossom
10:31 AM on 04/29/2010
of course!
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:35 PM on 04/29/2010
The Boarder Patrol can't patrol nationally protected lands? That's untrue. The boarder is the boarder, no matter whether it flows through a national park or not. Until recently, there would have been park rangers to also keep an eye on things. Bushco took care of that problem for us, didn't they?
08:58 PM on 04/28/2010
Arizona’s law provides a carefully crafted set of rules that proscribe how Arizona law enforcement officers are to inquire about immigration status. First, an Arizona law enforcement officer must engage in lawful contact with the individual in question. (SB 1070, §2). That means that the stop or contact must survive any challenge with respect to the 4th Amendment’s protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Then, if an officer has conducted a lawful stop, the officer must also have “reasonable suspicion” that an individual is unlawfully present before inquiring about immigration status. (Id.). The law expressly states that a law enforcement official “may not solely consider race, color, or national origin” in implementing this provision, including forming a reasonable suspicion. (Id.)

Then, if an Arizona law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion that the person is an alien unlawfully present in the United States, the officer must make a “reasonable attempt…when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.” (SB 1070, §2). Importantly, SB 1070 creates a presumption of lawful presence if an individual presents: (1) a valid Arizona driver’s license, (2) a valid Arizona I.D. card, (3) a valid tribal I.D. card, and (4) any valid federal or state I.D. that requires proof of legal presence before issuance.
Chauncey1186
EMAILGATE!!!
09:51 PM on 04/28/2010
Carefully crafted?? Are you serious??

You know - you almost succeed in sounding reasonable except your basic premise is entirely based on fantasy! Bottom line, buttercup - local law enforcement does NOT have the constitutional right to enforce immigration law, only the federal government does. So no matter how "reasonable" you try to make it sound - they just don't have the authority. Good try though!
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ESerafina42
Abandoned by wolves, raised by Republicans.
02:15 AM on 04/29/2010
fedupincalif also doesn't know the difference between "proscribe" and "prescribe." So actually he/she is saying the the law *forbids* Arizona law enforcement officers from asking about immigration status - doesn't do wonders for their credibility, in my opinion. :)
08:30 AM on 04/29/2010
You know - you almost succeed sounding reasonable except your basic premise is entirirely based on fantasy! The fantasy is that the problem is being enforced effectively by the Fed Goverrnment who is in fact derelic in their duty by not enforcing the laws of immigration.
10:44 PM on 04/28/2010
Is this the old law or the new law?
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08:33 PM on 04/28/2010
The Arizona Republicans are trying to pawn off their new racist law by re-writing, current federal law. In doing so they fail to admit that it is nothing less than the ENFORCEMENT OF RACISM. What a crock! If it were their intention to truly solve their immigration problem, it would simply be a matter of ENFORCING CURRENT LAW! Here we go again, with this right-wing gamesmanship of blaming everyone else for the very problems they’ve created! They refuse to go after employers who are hiring cheap, illegal labor! Rather than stopping every Latino on the street, all they need do, is go to the white, Republican employers and ask to see the documentation of all their workers. But, “NO”! They prefer to use their new “UNCONSTITUTIONAL” language as political underpinning for that LAST “new Law” they just passed! You know the one that requires the President of the United States show his birth certificate. Isn’t it interesting that in the “NEVERLAND OF THE BIRTHERS” that we now have “TUNE-TOWN RACISM”?
12:54 AM on 04/29/2010
Blaming everything on "white Republican" whatevers is what liberals do best. What a load. You liberals never check your facts, you just hurl insults at conservatives who, by the way, are busy working to support every nutty or stupid idea the Left comes up with. You have ruined the educational system in this country and the facts bear me out. Our prison system is a mess. Our government is obese. You want everyone on the planet to join hands and sing "We Are The World", completely ignoring reality. Blame Bush. That's what you do when logic eludes you.
05:27 AM on 04/29/2010
Funny how you teabaggers have no problem blaming President Obama for eveything under the sun. You DO know that it was the Republicans who stalled Immigration Reform when the Shrub was POTUS and in control of BOTH Houses, right?
You DO know that those 40,000+ illegals didn't sneak into Arizona during the past 1 1/2 years, right.
Typical Gooper. Blame everybody else for the problems that we have, and NEVER taking any responsibility for their own shortcomings.
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Appleblossom
10:38 AM on 04/29/2010
Tell them to stop making it so easy!
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
08:06 PM on 04/28/2010
What did the Bush boy to help Arizona during his eight year reign of terror ?
12:56 AM on 04/29/2010
There you go. Blame Bush. Can't any of you liberals think of anything else? Perhaps something more in line with reality? Bush is not responsible for the mass influx of poor Mexicans into this country illegally. He didn't fly the planes into the Twin Towers. He didn't kidnap the Lindberg baby. Get over yourselves. Hey, here's a thought. Look at a few statistics about crime among illegals.
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Appleblossom
10:44 AM on 04/29/2010
He is responsible for not taking on his party's nutters-his program was pretty reasonable and would have solved quite a few problems.

However, he did not so yes, we blame him.
05:32 AM on 04/29/2010
You know, he actually tried to do something but the Republican controlled House and Senate didn't support him on it.
07:56 PM on 04/28/2010
The Border Patrol is EVERYWHERE in AZ. So very true. But they're too busy in Yuma County stopping Americans coming into the state from California on Interstate 8. They pull everyone over, run the sniffer dogs by, and if a dog alerts, they start tearing the car apart looking for even a SEED of cannabis for which they write a hefty ticket. The driver must return to Yuma County, regardless of where they live, to appear in court. Any amount of cannabis, even a seed, is a FELONY in Arizona. If there's a baggie holding the seed, that's another offense as "paraphernalia". I know because this happened to a friend of mine. He had two small buds in his travel bag in the trunk.He has had to hire a lawyer for TWO GRAND in an attempt to fight this atrocity.

This is an example of how the Border Patrol is being used in Arizona instead of sitting near the international border, there's sitting at the border between two American states harassing American Citizens without cause.
08:04 PM on 04/28/2010
Oh, my friend has cannabis legally in CA; he showed the BP his medical use card. Didn't matter.
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ObamaSupporterPete
12:51 PM on 04/29/2010
The Federal government doesn't recognize medical marijuana. That is probably why they didn't care about having the card. This was at the boarder in California, yes? If it were AZ he'd probably be lucky he wasn't deported just because.
07:07 PM on 04/28/2010
How do illegal immigrants survive in the United States. Somebody - probably the very people who are anti-immigrant - must be giving them work.
Chauncey1186
EMAILGATE!!!
09:53 PM on 04/28/2010
Exactly! You are now fanned and faved!
10:59 PM on 04/28/2010
Right on the mark. The only reason these people are "anti-immigrant" is because they need as many people as possible (gays, abortion activists, etc) for the uneducated masses to hate while they wreck the democratic institutions and liberal advances that have made this country a great place to live.