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WATCH: Eric Alterman on How Liberals Need to 'Toughen Up'

Posted: 04/24/2012 11:24 am

My conversation with Eric Alterman on last weekend's Moyers & Company continued even after the cameras were turned off -- the TV cameras, anyway. But we captured that extended conversation exclusively for BillMoyers.com. In it, Alterman talks about Paul Ryan, Andrew Cuomo, liberals' weaknesses, and his dinner with then-Senator Barack Obama.

"The first thing we need to do, as liberals, to become credible to the other 80 percent of Americans who refuse to call themselves liberals, is find a way to make the government protection of their lives credible. And it's no easy task," says Alterman.

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My conversation with Eric Alterman on last weekend's Moyers & Company continued even after the cameras were turned off -- the TV cameras, anyway. But we captured that extended conversation exclusively...
My conversation with Eric Alterman on last weekend's Moyers & Company continued even after the cameras were turned off -- the TV cameras, anyway. But we captured that extended conversation exclusively...
 
 
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mcsandberg
Free people are not equal.
08:54 AM on 04/26/2012
I would suggest that if the small minority of liberals does attempt to "toughen up" and shove any more unpopular policies down the vastly larger conservative population that they will not like the result. As you can see from http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx , self-identified liberals are about 20% and self-identified conservatives are about 40% of the US population.

To advise a minority that's outnumbered 2-1 t to attempt to force their policies on the majority is not wise advice.
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
11:50 AM on 04/27/2012
Yes, policies like 40hr work week, nutrition labeling. agriculture responsibility, paid overtime, seat belts in cars, regulations on health care workers, safe workplaces, immigration reform - yes all those horrible policies that "your Americans" hate. You're a prime example of the wholesale hoodwinking of the American people.
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mcsandberg
Free people are not equal.
02:32 PM on 04/27/2012
Try policies like the completely unconstitutional Obamacare, Or the EPA, in complete defiance of the equal protection clause, going after individual companies http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/if_only_the_romans_had_the_epa_to_crucify_the_dissenters.html , or like those that this article http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/the_thought_police_arrive_in_sacramento.html describes. Be sure to read the comments, you'll be amazed at what people think about this administration and liberal policies.
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rmhopper3
04:06 PM on 04/25/2012
yes we do without a doubt but its not enough...we need discipline and a clear vision that doesnt fade when the emotion is gone from an issue ..we need to develop our own mantra they way conservatives have repeat it constantly
man hammer
right wing terrorist
03:40 AM on 04/25/2012
Conservative = producer Liberal = consumer
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Jim Mccarthy
YEAH- LIBERAL LEFTY
09:19 PM on 04/24/2012
progressives/ liberals have needed to get tougher for a very long time. we need good bare knuckle fighters who do not fear the GOP. the GOP never ever fears the left because they are willing to drop gloves and tangle con the spot.........long past time- long past time.
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07:13 PM on 04/24/2012
The GOP took over the language and turned Liberal into a bad word. Liberals allowed it. I am a liberal, and I am proud to say that. This does not mean that I follow a liberal agenda. It means that I believe in fundamental fairness and that I see it as a civic duty to provide a safety net for the least of us and a level playing field for most of us. I say most of us because there are a few who will never play fair. I believe that a single payor system makes sense and will tend to lower costs for all of us. I am not against free enterprise, but I believe that capitalism is dead, for if it weren't dead, then no corporation would be too big to fail.
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
09:24 PM on 04/25/2012
fanned and faved
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
11:53 AM on 04/27/2012
Damn straight.
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07:06 PM on 04/24/2012
Saw the broadcast -- for a moment, Alterman's remarks reminded me of similar remarks Barbara Jordan made at the Democratic Convention. I am a liberal, but I see that my party has lost its bite. The GOP, on the other hand, will keep biting until the last tooth fails, and then they'll gum you into poverty.
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MAX1
Climate and Peace Advocate
06:14 PM on 04/24/2012
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If you weren't paying attention when SENATOR OBAMA voted to immunize TELECOMS for violating your Rights, WHAT WERE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO?

... HELLO?!?!?!?
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
11:54 AM on 04/27/2012
The world is larger than single issues. HELLOOOOO????
poorwriter
Why is common sense so rare?
05:11 PM on 04/24/2012
Alterman seems to have correctly assessed Obama and dissected what went wrong with his administration right from the start. He came into office with an enormous head of steam, fueled with the hopes and wishes for change from the electorate. He then set about pissing it all away by deciding to be a nonpartisan president.
That's all Mitch McConnell needed to know. It was rope-a-dope from Day 1. Mitch doesn't care what's good for America. He only cares about what's good for the GOP. So he dangled "bipartianship" in front of Obama time after time, like a carrot. Then he'd snatch it away just when it looked like a deal had been struck. And time after time, Obama went chasing after that carrot instead of telling Mitch he wouldn't play that game. It's all so sad and so predictable.
Obama will, I'm sure, get a second term. I expect it will play out just like the first.
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Jim Mccarthy
YEAH- LIBERAL LEFTY
09:20 PM on 04/24/2012
maybe, maybe not...looks like Obama is finally mad enough to push back at Boehner......I'd like to see him get much more forceful !!!!
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shaitan
The Devil's Advocate
02:29 PM on 04/24/2012
If the SCOTUS declares the Health Care Law mandate unconstitutional then the push for universal single payer system run by the government, i.e., Medicare for all, would perhaps find support in a majority of the population. Even the Public Option was supported by 60% of the citizenry.
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Jim Mccarthy
YEAH- LIBERAL LEFTY
09:21 PM on 04/24/2012
from the very second the decision comes down the left needs to come like a wounded tiger.
MThomasNC
Retired, Sassy, Senior Citizen
12:57 PM on 04/24/2012
Our dems leaders have been running far, far away from their liberal/progressive leanings trying to fit themselves as corporate democrats and coming off as having no core. They left FDR, LBJ behind and trying to grab Lincoln and Reagan as their goal post.

Grassroots' dems are crying for the FDR-like dems to lead us, and thought Presidents Clinton, Obama were of that mode, but sadly they're not. Both of them gave corporate America what they wanted, now the backlash is against them for deregulating Wall Street and 10 years later having to bail out Wall Street for their abused of not having the regulations FDR put in place to keep 'honest.'

Howard Dean, as DNC Chair, 50 state actions dovetailed off FDR leanings, got the grassroots excited and in 2006 they flipped congress into democratic hands. Also candidate Obama used Dean's strategy and he won 2 yrs later. Guess what? DC dems (DLC) were pissed of with Dean, and he got no job in the new Obama Administration after all the groundwork he had lain in the states. DLCers pick the new adminstration, and we got no FDR dems in the cabinet level positions nor in the President's White House staff - all DLCers from Clinton days in power.

Yes, grassroots dems have to put fire under this democratic party, and make them own up to their progressive/liberal principles or get out of the way and let others come forth to do so.
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capitaldysfunction
White male never voted Republican
03:07 AM on 04/25/2012
I agree totally. I have no problem voting for Obama in 2012, and I will, but the prevailing consensus of the Democrats retaining the Whitehouse in 2012 is going to be washed away in a flood of negative Romney ads. In hindsight and retrospect we will one day look back on Barack Obama as having destroyed the Democrats. I don't wish for this but I see it coming.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
12:56 PM on 04/24/2012
One way is by stopping the scapegoating of Ralph Nader.
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CTDFalconer
Think twice, post once.
03:11 PM on 04/24/2012
That's a start. We point to the handful of votes he got in Florida as ensuring Gore's defeat, but those voters were Gore's to lose. The Democratic party was clearly not satisfying those people. They voted for Nader out of disillusionment with the Democratic party, not because they wanted Bush to win. One wonders, would the Republicans have blamed Buchanan if Bush had lost?
04:03 PM on 04/24/2012
Yes, the Republicans would have blamed Buchanan had Bush II lost in 2000, the same way they blamed Perot when Bush I lost to Clinton in 1992.
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07:37 PM on 04/24/2012
I agree. Alterman's complaint that Nader cost Gore the election in 2000 is not supported by the facts in Florida. Nader did not steal Florida -- the GOP machine did.
12:44 PM on 04/24/2012
One of the great success stories of republican propaganda has been selling Americans on the idea that corruption is limited to government when in fact their is massive corporate corruption as well but democrats always appear weak next to republicans because they lack conviction and have failed to propose a comprehensive program for the renewal of America. Case in point is spending 18 months on a health care law that ends up subsidizing insurance monopolies instead of proposing the real solution of a single-payer system which i'm sure would be more popular than what they ended up with. No guts no glory!
Benjacomin Bozart
Jefferson-better to eat bacon at home than to rule
04:45 PM on 04/24/2012
As George Carlin said, they are against street crime and demand long sentences. They are all in favor of Wall Street crime and they steal far more and destroy far more lives.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:01 PM on 04/24/2012
The American business interest owns American media. That business interest wants to pay no tax. So:

First, government must come to be seen by constituents as incapable of producing good outcomes, and hopelessly corrupt and fogbound.

Next, since government cannot produce good outcomes, all tax money collected takes away from job creation, and is wasted.

Next, since tax money is wasted, lower taxes means less is thrown away, leaving more for our unique entrepreneurial business interest to work its magic and produce wealth. So lower taxes is always good.

Next, when the party with the largest gaggle of pols who believe government is capable of producing no good outcomes comes to power, it rapidly sets out to prove in every way possible, that government doesn't work, by self-made example.

Liberals, meanwhile, being opposed to anti-government, low tax Republicans, can be found whenever they're invited on corporate media, to counter-punch and react, but they are never there to set agenda or to create criteria for debate. That would be the exclusive province of those who own American media, or rather, to those who work for them.
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buzzardwhiskey
The US is failing too slowly to change her path
01:08 PM on 04/24/2012
Well written. Thank you.
jhNY
Mercy.
06:57 PM on 04/24/2012
Thanks for reading.
02:00 PM on 04/24/2012
Purely good outcomes are almost unheard of and corruption is off the charts.

However, tax money does not take away from job creation. Tax policy does. In other words, how taxes are structured has a direct effect on where jobs are created and whether exporters are disadvantaged.

The rest of your argument falls apart.
jhNY
Mercy.
02:26 PM on 04/24/2012
Purely good and purely bad outcomes anyplace are equally unheard of, which sort of moots your point, unless you'd like to try to make the point that the government is actually more corrupt than the business interest here, which of course, is the chief source and beneficiary of government corruption. See defense contractors, banksters, medical insurance industry.

I never argued that tax money takes away from job creation. That would be the Republican argument, which I was characterizing, not espousing or promoting.

The American business interest is presently sitting on trillions it will not reinvest in the economy, though many top corporations have paid no tax in some time. Obviously, tax policy or rates are not preventing investment.

What I am arguing: the press is owned by the business interest. The liberals need to do more than 'toughen up'-- they need to realize that their point of view and policies will never get equal time or equal praise from a media owned by the business interest.

The rest of your argument would fall apart too, if there were any more.