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Mexico's Economy Is the Problem That Anti-Immigrant Laws Won't Solve

Posted: 02/28/2011 5:00 pm

The Arizona Senate Appropriations Committee has cleared the way for a host of bills targeting undocumented immigrants. SB 1611, Senate President Russell Pearce's latest effort to punish the state's immigrant community with harsh sanctions and restrictions, was one of them. This comes on the heels of legislation introduced a couple weeks ago in the Arizona legislature attacking birthright citizenship of children born to undocumented parents.

SB 1611 will head to the Senate floor after clearing a narrow 7-6 vote in which two of the committee's nine Republicans voted against the bill. SB 1611 seeks to ban undocumented immigrant kids from K-12 education if their parents cannot produce a U.S. birth certificate or naturalization documents. The bill would also force Arizona businesses to use E-Verify, the federal immigration database. Those who don't could have their business license revoked. The bill would also forbid undocumented students from attending community college and state universities, even if they paid out-of-state tuition, and cut undocumented immigrants off from emergency medical care. People who want to file for a marriage license would need to show their immigration papers. And people would not be able to buy or operate vehicles without producing proof of legal residence. If they're caught driving without proper documentation they could face a month of jail time.

Portions of SB 1611 are clearly unconstitutional. In the 1982 Plyler v. Doe decision, the Supreme Court struck down Texas' attempt to stop undocumented children from attending K-12 schools. The business licenses revocation issue is currently before the Supreme Court in another Arizona case. And the emergency medical care prohibition is doomed to fail any constitutional reasonableness test.

Arizona's pending legislation attacking birthright citizenship of children born to undocumented parents is treading on thin constitutional ice as well. The U.S. Supreme Court's interpretation of the citizenship language of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution makes that pretty clear. In 1898, the Court confronted the issue in a case involving Wong Kim Ark, a man born in San Francisco whose parents were both immigrants from China. He was born at a time when the Constitution barred Chinese immigrants from becoming U.S. citizens. The key phrase in the 14th Amendment that the Court had to review was the grant of citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The Court concluded that the language covered all children born in the U.S. except those who were: (1) born to foreign rulers or diplomats, (2) born on foreign public ships, or (3) born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory. It's obvious that the children and undocumented parents who are being targeted by the Arizona legislative proposals do not fall into any of those sections. It's also evident that the undocumented parents are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. because the country deports such parents every day.

Everyone agrees that we need immigration reform. For years, Congress has attempted to strike a principled balance between greater enforcement and a fair way to adjust the status for the 10 to 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country. However, even immigrant rights advocates must acknowledge that legalization will not solve undocumented migration permanently. An expansion of visas will certainly help, but if the package does not include at least the first steps toward helping Mexico improve its economy and infrastructure, undocumented Mexican migration will continue, and the tension over undocumented migration will resurface down the road. To truly understand undocumented migration, we have to do what Americans have thus far been unwilling to do: Look beyond the simple explanation that migrants cross the border in search of work. We have to ask why they cannot find what they want in Mexico. In 1994, we were told that NAFTA would solve the undocumented problem because new jobs would be created in Mexico. But NAFTA ultimately contributed to huge job losses in Mexico. Mexican corn farmers could not compete with heavily-subsidized U.S. corn farmers, and now Mexico imports most of its corn from the U.S. Because of globalization, 100,000 jobs in Mexico's domestic manufacturing sector were lost from 1993 to 2003. Where do those unemployed workers look for work? El Norte.

An economic turnaround in Mexico is central to solving the undocumented migration challenge in the United States. Conservatives should understand that. And liberals should recognize that reducing undocumented migration is in Mexico's interest as well; the persistent loss of able-bodied workers needed to build its infrastructure and economy only hurts Mexico. All of us understand that economic investment in Mexico will not and, probably, should not be done without close monitoring.

Attacking the right of undocumented children to attend school and raising the issue of birthright citizenship do little beyond stirring up more hostility toward undocumented immigrants. Worse yet, these proposals continue to distract us from the meaningful discourse needed to develop plans to address push factors in countries like Mexico.

 

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The Arizona Senate Appropriations Committee has cleared the way for a host of bills targeting undocumented immigrants. SB 1611, Senate President Russell Pearce's latest effort to punish the state's im...
The Arizona Senate Appropriations Committee has cleared the way for a host of bills targeting undocumented immigrants. SB 1611, Senate President Russell Pearce's latest effort to punish the state's im...
 
 
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11:18 PM on 03/01/2011
THANK YOU for actually bringing up what is hardly brought up in the immigration equation: what oftentimes creates "illegal immigrants" in the first place: oppressive poverty. By the way, I highly recommend this book, "Listen to the Children, Conversations with Immigrant Families" found here:

http://www.economicrefugee.net/the-psycho-emotional-impacts-of-immigration-on-our-children/

...it gives a great in-depth look at what the impacts of such economic conditions have in these immigrant families' psycho-emotional health.
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
05:45 AM on 03/03/2011
America has it's own poor, where are they going to run to?
09:46 PM on 03/01/2011
the basis for the problem facing mexico, and many other "emerging" nations is the vast numbers of the populations that live in extreme poverty. with little upward mobility in mexico, of course they move north. the solution to the u.s. immigration problem is a middle class in mexico.
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TommyObama
Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
11:49 PM on 03/03/2011
You're right, of course. But it took us decades for us to do that, and we didn't really accomplish it until the 1970s, thanks to years of economic growth and alot of expensive social programs that ended the worst of our rural poverty. And for some minorities and the poorly educated, we're still not there. Mexico has made great strides in the 25 years that I have been travelling there with frequency -- it is not the same country it was in the mid 80s and they are rightfully proud of many of their accomplishments, despite the constant criticism they hear from the North. The US needs to do what it can to encourage Mexico's growing middle class, and its industrial future. Because our future is increasingly linked to theirs.
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Picosa
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04:31 PM on 03/01/2011
Perhaps if we let Mexicans choose their own prisendents instead of choosing corrupt elitists to be their president for them, who look the other way when we steal their natural resources and anything else we want, that would be a good start.

NNTV: Al Gore's Mexican Adventure
By Al Giordano

The 2012 presidential campaign is already underway... in Mexico.
And, as in previous Mexican elections, US interests are all over it like a cheap suit.
The truth is that Washington has always meddled in Mexican presidential elections.

http://reflexioneslibertarias.blogspot.com/2010/08/nntv-al-gores-mexican-adventure.html


Wikileaks reveals how the US meddles in South America

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11404
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
04:07 PM on 03/01/2011
Sorting through all the hate, lies, inunendo, and misinformation delibertily regertated here in an effort to demonize Hispanic immigrants is dispicable!

Unless there is a TRUTHFULL degree of balance in the presentati­on of immigrant life, hardships, contributi­ons, risks, viewpoints­, people end up building an impression fed by words like "illegal," free tuition," and "handouts.­"

It sounds great. Let's get tough on Mexicans who committed misdemeano­rs and hold them up to standards for which we do not hold up Europeans who started illegal immigratio­n.

As a society we have let a mass mentality stoked by false perception­s shape our thoughts. We see the Pilgrims as nobles, not illegals, but we see kids of people who have committed a misdemeano­r as devils.
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Viper1st
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04:03 PM on 03/01/2011
As of latest March 1, 2011, GNP rankings ~

Mexico is in solid 11th position, up from 13th

http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

The guilt ridden promoted pity-
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
07:16 PM on 03/01/2011
My apologies ~ the correct link to March 1, 2011, GNP rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
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Mark Lindley
02:50 PM on 03/01/2011
So many lies in this topic. Where to start? "Immigrant" communities, anti-"immigration" laws. Come on say "illegal aliens" stop spinning the truth. No one will ever be denied emergency care THAT IS A BIG FAT LIE!! I don't have time to address every lie in here but this is just the tip of the iceberg. Can't the pro-illegals ever tell the truth?
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
05:54 PM on 03/01/2011
Your diction is as much spin as any other. In fact, the vitriol that it attempts to stir up would suggest that it is more laced with spin than other available options.
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TommyObama
Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
11:41 PM on 03/03/2011
Maybe we just can't bring ourselves to hate and dehumanize other people. Congratulations.
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Picosa
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02:14 PM on 03/01/2011
Perhaps if we let Mexicans choose their own presidents instead of choosing corrupt elitists to be their president for them, who look the other way when we steal their natural resources and anything else we want, that would be a good start.

NNTV: Al Gore's Mexican Adventure
By Al Giordano
The 2012 presidential campaign is already underway... in Mexico.
And, as in previous Mexican elections, US interests are all over it like a cheap suit.
The truth is that Washington has always meddled in Mexican presidential elections.

http://reflexioneslibertarias.blogspot.com/2010/08/nntv-al-gores-mexican-adventure.html


Wikileaks reveals how the US meddles in South America

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11404
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Jerry Bourbon
12:07 PM on 03/01/2011
Mexico should try capitalism; it might work. A good starting point would be to break up private monopolies like Telmex and Cemex, deregulate airlines, end the Televisa/TV Azteca media duopoly, and privatize and break up government monopolies like the CFE and PEMEX.

Busting the worthless and corrupt teachers union (SNTE) would be a good idea too...
11:55 AM on 03/01/2011
NAFTA is the perfect example of the dark side of corporations that profit off of cheap labor. The corruption created by NAFTA opened up huge avenues for human smuggling and drug operations for the cartels. This also created political special interest groups to support that trade. They displaced people and families looking for work, but they are not immigrants.
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Jerry Bourbon
02:46 PM on 03/01/2011
Do you believe that there was somehow NO illegal immigration and NO drug smuggling prior to 1994?

On the other hand, there were NO opposition presidents and NO opposition majority in Mexico's congress prior to 1994...
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Viper1st
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03:00 PM on 03/01/2011
For a second in time ~

After, Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3.0 million illegal foreign nationals on Dec 6, 1986 ~ there were no illegals in the USA

Since, December of 1986 ~

Now, after 6 more amnesties granted by U.S. Congress between 1994-2000, totalling another 3.0 million illegal foreign nationals granted amnesty

The one thing the U.S. Taxpayer has learned ~ amnesties only beget the attitude for more entitled amnesties
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pecosdog
this sht writes itself
11:19 AM on 03/01/2011
It is not Mexico's legal economy that is the problem. The problem is the illegal economy which is driven by America's insatiable demand for drugs. That economy pays better dividends to those who work in it thanks to America's ridiculous drug laws. All these trolls here seem to ignore what roll this lousy country, America, plays in this mess.
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Jerry Bourbon
12:58 PM on 03/01/2011
And you think the answer to America's ridiculous drug laws is for America to adopt Mexico's ridiculous civilian disarmament laws?

OK...
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tnkeating
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02:31 PM on 03/01/2011
No Pecos you make a very good point, Greed and capitolism is alive and well in Mexico as well as here. Many citizens here, mostly of a conservative nature support the fairtax, whats interesting about it is it would tax the underground economy as well as the legal economy, not through withholding, but through sales tax. Please though, if you are unhappy here and dislike this country so much, I implore you to leave.
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pecosdog
this sht writes itself
05:00 PM on 03/01/2011
It is where I was born and my brand of patriotism is the kind where I acknowledge faults and work to correct them. That is true patriotism as opposed to the kind that says "My country is the best no matter what crp it pulls on the rest of the world". And you know nothing about any taxes if you think that underground drug vendors are going to report "sales" tax. Get real.
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
05:57 PM on 03/01/2011
People don't pay taxes on drugs now. People would not register for sales tax licensure to sell illegal drugs under the fairtax. In fact, fairtax would drive more businesses into the underground economy. Sure, there are lots of US citizens who support fairtax, but I can guarantee that none of them holds even a bachelor's degree in economics.
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Alitoo
08:49 AM on 03/01/2011
What economy is that? The Mexican economy which is the 13th or 14th largest in the world? The one which, adjusted for purchasing power, ranks #11 in GDP ahead of Canada? The one which is among the U.S.'s five top trading partners, the others being Japan, Canada, Germany and China? Or the one which is home to the world's richest man, Carlos Slim Helu?

Fact is, Mexico's problems are NOT due to the economy per se, but to the policy choices MEXICANS have made and continue to make. The decision to tolerate corruption. The decision to have more children than they can provide jobs for. The decision not to open their petroleum sector to investment but to keep it socialized and to use the income from it to provide government services rather than to tax the wealthy of the country.

Furthermore, the author is either naive or ill-informed. Mexico is a major crossing point these days for OTHER THAN MEXICANS. What excuses does he offer for them and their illegal immigration?
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Viper1st
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09:28 AM on 03/01/2011
Kudos ~

Mexico is the 6th or 7th largest producer of barrels of oil in the world

Mexico's unemployment rate is 4.95%

Mexico receives the 3rd most in U.S. foreign aid

Mexico receives $20 billion a year from its Nationals working illegally in the USA, its 3rd largest souce of revenue
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
02:53 PM on 03/01/2011
The AID Mexico receives from the U.S. gov. is actually a payoff to fight Americas drug war for Americans in Mexico. Mexicans think the U.S. should fight their own drug wars. I agree, because it is Americans insatiable cravings for illegal drugs causing all the deaths in Mexico. It is corrupt elitist Euromexican politicians propelled into presidency in Mexico by U.S. corporations and the U.S. government who pocket this so called aid while their people die in the streets.

USAID Mexico received $28 million in FY10 for its development coopera-tion program.

The Merida Initiative
The Mérida Initiative is a new strategy for regional security cooperation between Mexico and the United States, contributing to our bi-national ef-forts to combat organized crime. USAID funded activities encourage civil society participation in promoting reforms, increasing public security, and increasing respect for human rights.
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Jerry Bourbon
12:05 PM on 03/01/2011
Mexico's birth rate is 2.3 per woman. That is barely replacement. Please get your facts straight.
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Alitoo
03:49 PM on 03/01/2011
Guess what? That's drastically down from what it was in the 1970s when the Mexican woman had, on average, 7 kids. Mexico has implemented population control policies that have reduced the birth rate NOW, but look back to before and you'll find a very different scenario. You might also note that once you have a very large population, even reducing the birthrate doesn't slow population growth all that much, a fact that India and China are finding out. Get YOUR facts straight.
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leftLibertarian
Don't vote for Obama or Romney
08:10 AM on 03/01/2011
Perhaps the US should stop subsidizing large farms.
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Viper1st
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09:14 AM on 03/01/2011
Perhaps the U.S. should stop subsidizing Mexico ~

Mexico is the 13th richest economy in the world, with an unemployment rate of 4.95%

U.S. foreign aid to Mexico

2009 ~ Drug/Anti-Terror ~ $363.8 million USD
2009 ~ Foreign Aid ~ $ 75.2 million USD

2010 ~ Drug/Anti-Terror ~ $722.9 million USD
2010 ~ Foreign Aid ~ $ 34.8 million USD

2011 ~ Drug/Anti-Terror ~ $297.7 million USD ~ requested by BHO
2011 ~ Foreign Aid ~ $ 48.8 million USD ~ requested by BHO
09:42 AM on 03/01/2011
Wow. I'm surprised that those numbers are so low. Put those numbers in relation to the overall budget, and you will see that they are fairly insignificant. Don't be a fool.
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03:37 PM on 03/01/2011
Yet Mexico still faces huge gaps between rich and poor, north and south, urban and rural. Over 40% of the country’s population is poor (living on less than $2 per day), while close to 18% is extremely poor (living on less than $1 per day).

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/latin_america_caribbean/country/mexico/
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Alitoo
09:41 AM on 03/01/2011
Illegal immigration is ALSO a SUBSIDY to farmers. Farmers don't have to pay decent wages (farm wages on average are far below poverty level) and the U.S. taxpayer subsidizes the workers with healthcare and education even though they don't pay taxes.
12:22 PM on 03/01/2011
This is no different than it has been throughout US history. This country is built on exploited and slave labor. We have to realize that illegal immigration is not seen by those at the top as a problem, but as something to be desired. Undocumented workers might strain social services, but they add to the overall economy. The problem is, of course, that not everyone benefits equally. In ancient Rome, when large farms run by slave labor destroyed small farmers, at least the Romans got free bread.
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papapj
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02:07 PM on 03/01/2011
Everybody pays taxes, illegals included.

They need to be fed, clothed and sheltered, all of which generate tax revenue and a large percentage of them also pay payroll taxes.

You are woefully misinformed, but this does not hide obvious xenophobia....
07:37 AM on 03/01/2011
The main reason Mexico's govt. still exists is because immigration to America offers a pressure release valve where the most marginalized of it's citizens can escape and get some work. If that wasn't available they would already have had major problems and the govt. which is there to only aid the wealthy would have fallen ages ago.
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AZreb
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08:53 AM on 03/01/2011
fanned - and there is NAFTA, there are the factories built in Mexico by American companies.

One thing to note - the majority of illegals who came across the border in the past were seeking jobs. That has changed in the past few years and now we have the criminal element becoming more and more common in crossing the border. Plus there is an increase in human smuggling and drugs.

The corruption in the Mexican government, the police and army units is a major part of Mexico's problems. We send them money, arms and equipment and help train their police and army - and then some army and police defect to the cartels taking with them the arms and equipment or are working for the cartels instead of the government. And where does the money go? Might be very interesting to follow the money trail.
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Picosa
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04:24 PM on 03/01/2011
We send them money to fight our drug war.

Oh yeah, and those jobs offered in Mexico by American companies pay $30. dollars a week for 10 hour days. Walmart, JC Pennies, Sears, Mc Donalds, Burger King, Home Depot, and all the other American companies who have set up shop in Mexico under NAFTA, and closed small mom and pop businesses there, charge the same prices they charge here. Could you live on $30. dollars a week? I think not.
07:35 AM on 03/01/2011
One should look into the issue why a country like Mexico so rich in resources cannot create a thriving economy for its own people. I would suspect a lot has to do with corruption and overpopulation. Even if we assist Mexico economically, we would not resolve these problems. The United States in essence has been a relief valve for the Mexican pressure cooker.
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pecosdog
this sht writes itself
11:22 AM on 03/01/2011
The issue is their lousy neighbor to the north that fuels their drug trade with insatiable drug-lusts and ridiculous drug laws.
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Robearbeach
Anthropological Linguist-Native American Languages
12:13 PM on 03/01/2011
Oh yes, the neighbor to the north is so bad people in droves are literally dying trying to get here.
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Jerry Bourbon
12:56 PM on 03/01/2011
Let's see. We should get rid of drug laws because they DO NOT WORK, but you believe that are firearms laws are "ridiculous" even though Mexico's firearms laws DO NOT WORK.

You make loads of sense...

Better, by far, to get rid of the USA's STUPID drug laws, and get rid of Mexico's STUPID civilian disarmament laws. Both countries would be better off. And freer...
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Robert SF
03:53 AM on 03/01/2011
"To truly understand undocumented migration, we have to do what Americans have thus far been unwilling to do: Look beyond the simple explanation that migrants cross the border in search of work. We have to ask why they cannot find what they want in Mexico."
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No, that's poking our nose in where it doesn't belong. Mexico's problems are Mexico's to solve. What we need to do is secure our borders. That's our problem to solve.

Ask yourself what is the one legitimate use of armed forces in a civilized world? It's national defense, and what better defines a country than its borders? Bring our armed forces back from Iraq and Afghanistan, and put them to patrolling the US side of our border with Mexico.
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Alitoo
08:52 AM on 03/01/2011
The author might also want to read a report by the Pew Hispanic Center, which found that most Mexicans who came to the U.S. had had jobs in Mexico but came here because they wanted MORE. They GAVE UP JOBS because they wanted to leverage the difference in wages between the U.S. and Mexico, ignoring the fact that the cost of living is higher here as well. Of course, since illegal aliens are subsidized for healthcare and education, as well as other taxpayer-provided services, including welfare to their U.S.-born kids, maybe that difference in the cost of living doesn't matter for them even though is sure does for us. We, as taxpayers and citizens, literally can't afford to take low wages. We don't get to go to Mexico or any other country and be subsidized by that country.
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Viper1st
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09:47 AM on 03/01/2011
U.S. minimum hourly wage ~ $7.25 USD

Mexico minimum daily wage ~ $4.54 USD based on 18/1 pecos/USD
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papapj
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10:42 AM on 03/01/2011
I'd like for you to cite that Pew study, with references.

My research shows otherwise;

" * NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder many so Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.'
* NAFTA's service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.
* Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour."

http://tinyurl.com/zns8
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AZreb
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08:57 AM on 03/01/2011
fanned - even with the help of the National Guard our border is not secure. The National Guard has no arrest powers at the border and is used only for surveillance. Great - they can find the illegals, the drug and human smugglers but if there are not enough Border Patrol and local law enforcement in the area it is difficult and sometimes impossible to catch them.