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Bill Quigley

Bill Quigley

Posted: January 9, 2011 03:42 PM

Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy such a serious weapon?

The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was a very serious weapon -- a semi-automatic pistol, with an extended magazine. Many weapons like that were illegal in the US from 1994 to 2004 under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. They are now legal to sell and own. The National Rifle Association reports there are tens of millions of assault weapons in private hands in the US.

The federal background check for people purchasing such weapons only prohibits selling such weapons to people who have been legally determined to be mentally defective or found insane or convicted of crimes. This man had not been found legally mentally defective or convicted so he was legally entitled to purchase an assault weapon. In Arizona he was legally entitled to carry the weapon in a concealed manner.

The US has well over 250 million guns in private hands according to the National Rifle Association. That is more, according to the BBC, than any country in the world. In one year, guns murdered 17 people in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States according to the Brady Campaign.

Does the US really need tens of millions of assault weapons and hundreds of millions of other guns? We already put more of our people in prison than any country in the world and we spend more on our military than all the rest of the world together. How fearful must we be?

Question: Why is there so little talk of terrorism?

Apparently when a mentally unstable white male is accused, white terrorism is not the first thing that comes to mind.

When Clay Duke, a white male, threatened Florida school board members with a gun and shot at them before shooting himself, in December 2010, he was mentally imbalanced.

When Michael Enright, a white male, was arrested for slashing the throat of a Muslim NYC cab driver in August of 2010, his friends said he had a drinking problem

When Byron Williams, a white male, was arrested after opening fire on police officers and admitted he was on his way to kill people at offices of a liberal foundation and a civil liberties organization, in July 2010, he was an unemployed right wing felon with a drinking problem.

When Joe Stack, a white male, flew his private plane into a federal building in Austin, Texas, in February 2010, he was angry with the IRS.

When a white male is accused of mass murder, white terrorism is not much talked of rather it becomes a terrible tragedy but not one where race or ethnicity or religion need be examined.

Now, if the accused had been Muslim, does anyone doubt whether this would have been considered an act of terrorism? US Muslims could have expected increased surveillance and harassment at home and the places where they work and worship. They could have expected a Congressional inquiry into the radicalization of their people. Oh, Representative Peter King (R-NY) has already started that one!



 
Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy such a serious weapon? The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was a very se...
Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy such a serious weapon? The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was a very se...
 
 
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dbrett480
07:33 PM on 01/13/2011
It's interesting that people have been asking why the Tucson shooter was allowed to buy a weapon since he had multiple run-ins with law enforcement. These same people have criticized law enforcement for being too intrusive and arresting people for drugs. You can't have it both ways. Either cops are allowed to do their jobs or they are not. We can't Monday morning quarterback every action a police officer makes. Some will make mistakes (that happens when your job requires snap decisions), but to say that the officers in this case should have made sure that Loughner didn't have access to weapons while at the same time criticizing cops for arresting teens with pot is ludicrous.
06:33 PM on 01/10/2011
"how could a mental deranged person buy a gun?" Mr. Quigley, I've been asking the question since this horror occurred and haven't seen nor heard anyone response. I concur with your observations 100%. I will even go further to say based upon the examples you mentioned, it's the known yet unknown fact is that only white male suffer from mental illness. Any other person from another race is of course something else.

Thank you for such an insightful article, of course, there will be denials until a Republican is at the receiving end of the terror those people experienced on Saturday morning.
03:12 PM on 01/10/2011
No one seems to realize that gun-control laws or any laws only limit those who care to follow them. If someone wants to get a gun, they will just get it illegally. Gun-control can potentially limit law-abiding citizens from stopping crime from happening. There maybe be "250 million guns in private hands" but how many isolated incidences like this occur?
03:05 PM on 01/10/2011
Automatic? Semi-Automatic? Assault? Who cares? If every American colonist had a Glock 9mm in 1770's, the British "wooda never kept a cummin" and the founding fathers probably probably would have thought twice before putting the right to bear arms in the constitution for fear of their own safety. Lets put the gun rights debate where it should be ... a vestige of ancient uncivilized history. Democracy is at stake here .. if my candidate didn't win I'll just fix it with my gun.
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MrDOB
11:09 AM on 01/10/2011
IT WAS A HAND GUN. The only thing that changes was the magazine capacity.
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Steve Rockett
12:08 PM on 01/10/2011
It was a semi-automatic assault weapon, not used for hunting. Hand guns kill, incidentally.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
02:17 PM on 01/10/2011
No Glock model firearm has ever been classified as an "assault weapon" under any proposed or enacted "assault weapons" based legislation.
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MrDOB
10:47 AM on 01/11/2011
Ha ha ha really it is an assault weapon only because you say so. So this guy being crazy has nothing to do with anything right? We should all disarm so you can feel safe. Maybe we should stop selling household chemicals as well. You could make an assault weapon bomb. People kill by using handguns, knifes, bombs or whatever they can use. You also should have serotonin uptake inhibitors banned as well. They cause violence every mass shooter of this sort has been on them
10:47 AM on 01/10/2011
"Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy such a serious weapon?"

Answer: Because he was never involuntarily committed or ruled mentally defective by a judge, nor did he have any felony convictions. Try learning the facts.

"The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was a very serious weapon -- a semi-automatic pistol, with an extended magazine. Many weapons like that were illegal in the US from 1994 to 2004 under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban."

False on all counts. The Glock 19 used by the killer is one of the most popular pistols in the nation and is owned by millions. It was legal during the AWB, and the extended mag was legal too if it was made before 1994.
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MrDOB
11:09 AM on 01/10/2011
Thank you for making this clear!
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subdolphin
I do not read replies!!!
06:35 AM on 01/10/2011
In every case there was a rush to determine whether these nuts were associated with any groups. If you remember, there was a nearly equal appeal to wait and see whether or not Major Hassan, the Ft Hood shooter was actually linked with any group.
Your lament appears to beg for more rush to judgment in these cases, not less.
05:22 AM on 01/10/2011
The gun laws and the whole mentality in the US seems to be from another era. An era of wild west where you had to defend your own ranch.

People in those other coutries mentioned don't feel they need a gun to be safe and what's more important, they don't feel like they would be any safer if they carried one. It's quite simple, more guns cause more bodies. There are some countries, like New Zealand, where even the police doesn't always carry a gun. No wonder people don't get shot if there is nothing to shoot with.
10:50 AM on 01/10/2011
"It's quite simple, more guns cause more bodies."

There is no evidence to support that claim. Armed citizens can and do save lives

"There are some countries, like New Zealand, where even the police doesn't always carry a gun"

And officers have died because of that. The NZ police are now desperately petitioning the government to allow them to carry weapons full time, but running into opposition from anti-gun bullies who think their lives are not important. Learn the facts and try again:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Police-one-step-closer-to-being-armed-full-time/tabid/423/articleID/181202/Default.aspx
01:52 PM on 01/10/2011
So it's a coincidence that the US has the most guns and most people killed by them? Finland, mentioned in the article, also has a lot of guns and a relatively high number of people shot. A coincidence too?

It's quite simple, you're more likely to shoot someone if you have a gun. As you are more likely to be in a motorcycle accident if you own a motorcycle.

And I don't buy your "Armed citizens can and do save lives" line. Yes, they might save a couple of lives, but the deaths they cause far outnumber the saved ones.
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09:03 PM on 01/09/2011
Quigley bewails the fact that when a white man goes on a rampage, it's seldom described as "terrorism".

But terrorism is "the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion". Most of the examples Quigley presents are isolated incidents that are neither systematic nor meant (so far as we can tell) to coerce.
08:59 PM on 01/09/2011
Whatever makes us imagine that gun possession really should be limited to mentally stable people?
At present, there appear to be a few annoying "longstanding traditions" getting in the way of truly free access to any conceivable weapon by literally anyone. But the Constitution, if read in the most minimalist way that the present Court increasingly seems to do, does not stipulate any such restrictions.
It has been affirmed decisively that we individuals have a "right" to bear guns, thanks to the likes of Justice Scalia et al., who appear to delight in how far they can strip the laws through their literal interpretations, It's time, therefore, we truly came clean. Not only should the government be guaranteeing the constitutional right of all individuals to bear guns; it should be mail-ordering guns to anyone who wants one: kids, incarcerated murderers, daycare teachers, etc.
To imagine, then, that the solution to the nightmare that gun lobbyists and the courts are creating is to divert money we might use for health or education to pay for bigger fences around those with money and power?? And to blame the rest of us for the violence because of what we say???!
This is madness, people.

Thank goodness the literalists will be on the bench when we point out that our First Amendment rights are being infringed.
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MrDOB
11:11 AM on 01/10/2011
Spot on!
07:10 PM on 01/09/2011
Glock 19 was not against the law to buy, please get your facts straight, maybe the magazine was depending on how many rounds it held.
But Glock 19 No
Know you facts please and a Glock 19 is not assault weapon
06:22 PM on 01/09/2011
How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy a weapon period?
10:51 AM on 01/10/2011
He explained it. Read the post again. Because the man had never been commited to a mental institution or ruled mentally defective by a judge and had no felony convictions.
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Fez
Ignorance is no excuse for the law.
05:05 PM on 01/09/2011
Good points. As Michael Moore has so accurately noted, you and I are more likely to be attacked by, robbed by, assaulted by, and abused by a WHITE MALE than any other race or sex. And I find it more than coincidence that every single act of terrorism committed in this country (excepting 9-11 and Robert Kennedy's assassination) in the past 50 years has been committed by a WHITE MALE. And the most reprehensible criminals of all? As Woody Guthrie wrote (Pretty Boy Floyd): "... some men rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen." Anyone on Wall Street.
RTIII
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06:44 PM on 01/09/2011
"And I find it more than coincidenc­e that every single act of terrorism committed in this country (excepting 9-11 and Robert Kennedy's assassinat­ion) in the past 50 years has been committed by a WHITE MALE."

Not that I have the data near at hand to refute this but, in short, I HIGHLY doubt this. And, of course, there's that pesky word here, "terrorism", which I argue is quite mis-used.
08:21 PM on 01/09/2011
Very true RTIII ... I am constantly amazed about how people start jumping to all sorts of conclusions and letting the finger pointing run rampant. This was a horrific event, but I would bet there are a lot of people who are happy it was a white person who committed this dreadful act.
01:27 PM on 01/10/2011
I'm not sure I would consider Michael Moore a legit source for crime and or terror-related statistics. I would suggest people look at the Bureau of Justics Statistics bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov. As Moore is acclaimed at making movies, many of his statements have been thoroughly debunked.
04:57 PM on 01/09/2011
True, the Glock is not an assault weapon. High capacity (over 10 rounds) magazines were banned for civilians for a time under the law in most states. Currently, the 30 round extended magazine used by the shooter is legal in Arizona, but not in 5 other states including California.
04:46 PM on 01/09/2011
A lie right off the bat...The handgun used is not an "assault weapon"...An assault weapon (meaning a rifle in this context), is first and foremost a firearm that is capable of FULL AUTOMATIC fire...It`s already been barely a day since the shootings and the anti-gun fanatics (Sugarmann, Helmke,) are already dancing on the graves of those killed....
04:56 PM on 01/09/2011
We are not dancing on their graves; we are mourning that anyone in AZ can obtain a gun without a permit. It smacks of the "Wild West."
08:53 PM on 01/09/2011
What
the gunman still had to go though a federal background check before he walked out with the Glock
08:13 PM on 01/09/2011
Well put, Roy. People need to learn the difference between semi-automatic and assault weapon. Can you imagine how many would have been killed or wounded by an assault weapon? Just the other day, I emptied a 30-round magazine at the range with my semi-automatic rifle in less than 10 seconds, but again, that is not an assault weapon which would have shot those 30 rounds in mere seconds. How sloppy the editors are and those who report the news on TV. Even worse when oppinion pieces also have factual problems. It leads to even more misunderstandings.
10:26 PM on 01/09/2011
Actually a fully automatic rifle might have been less deadly as the gunman might have run through his clip without choosing targets ( depends on what kind of training he has)

The glock (not an assault weapon) is light, easy to use, accurate and probably a more deadly weapon for someone with less training in closed quarters.

The real issue is exactly what kind of Arizona do people who live there want? I don't see the point of allowing people to have extended magazine pistols. Is this a hunting thing?

Can some one from a high gun-use area explain it to us city slickers?

Mike