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Bill Scher

Posted: June 30, 2010 10:48 AM

Did I Mention That Conservatives Hate Teachers?

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Yesterday House leaders formally proposed spending $10 billion to help recession-bruised, fiscally distressed states prevent layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers.

The proposal saves teaching jobs without increasing the budget deficit by cutting other stimulus spending.

This is not good enough for conservative deficit hysterics.

The conservative Republican response appears to be: just lie and say helping teachers will increase the deficit anyway. CQ reports:

Privately, Republicans say they expect House Democratic leaders to realize this week that the votes simply are not there -- and certainly not in the Senate -- for a supplemental that expands domestic spending, even if that spending is paid for with cuts elsewhere.

"We need to get a supplemental passed as soon as possible," [House Minority Leader John] Boehner said. "It should not be used as an excuse for tens of billions of dollars of additional social spending that will pile more debt on the backs of our children and grandchildren."

The conservative Democratic response appears to be: just tell teachers saving their jobs are not as important as saving a fraction of a percent of the national debt. Politico reports:

"...Rep. Robert Andrews (D-N.J.) said in an interview ... "There are a number of moderates [sic] who feel that any pay-fors should be for deficit reduction, not to offset new spending ... If you have $10 billion laying around for teachers, reduce the deficit by $10 billion [instead]."

Because of this mathematically illiterate resistance from the Right, the White House may stop pushing to add these funds to the war spending bill, in order to get the underlying bill passed.

Words fail.

Originally posted at OurFuture.org. Earlier: "It's Not About The Deficit. Conservatives Just Hate Teachers."

 
 
 

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cstandri
11:41 AM on 07/01/2010
The comment I continue to hear from the right is "Pouring money into schools doesn't make it better. Here, I have some obscure graph that proves this."

Which makes sense. If you want to improve something, continue to strengthen it and increase its potential, you CUT the money that goes into it. Doesn't EVERYONE understand that?
11:08 AM on 07/01/2010
We're doomed.

Conservative reactionaries are determined to run this country into the ground just to show up "the black guy."
11:54 PM on 06/30/2010
Dear Mr. Scher,

You surely realize by now--don't you--that religious Conservatives hate EVERYBODY...?

Best,
The Kapt'n
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
10:36 PM on 06/30/2010
Over the years I have observed a difference between Democrats and Republicans regarding education spending for the public schools.

Both Democrats and Republicans insist that a good education is essential to success. Education is power. Those who are educated have more power. And so,

... Democrats want to fund more education, pay teachers better, and increase educational opportunities for all. After all, power is best shared.

... Republicans try to cut funding for education, call teachers elitist, and generally want to decrease educational opportunity for the population. They will increase funding for their favorite universities, but will increase costs for ordinary people trying to get an education. After all, education is power, and only the rich should have easy access to power.

Yes, yes. This is an oversimplification. But speaking generally, it is true as far as group dynamics are concerned, even if it does not specifically work out for individuals.
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seanny53
Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
10:07 AM on 07/01/2010
By George, I think you've got it! Seriously, Repubs are all about keeping and increasing the power of those who already have too much. And they've mostly succeeded for at least the last 30 years. American Govt. at its finest.
10:46 AM on 07/01/2010
As a teacher who lost her job due to budget cuts, I concur, completely, and fanned, as well.
10:17 PM on 06/30/2010
You can not have an argument with the other side, if you don't know what they are arguing. Your idea, that "conservatives hate teachers", is an absurd and falacious argument to make, and it will bring you no closer to your finish line. They have problems with public education as an institution. You might not agree with their philosophiy - but at least call it what it is, instead of obfuscating the whole argument by making it about something elde. The real problem is that conservatives hate teachers? Patently absurd.
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mattbass83
11:35 AM on 07/01/2010
Then why don't they try to reduce class size? Why do they support private schools at the expense of our public school system? Why are the education systems in red states rated so poorly? Actions speak louder then words. And why do they attack people with advanced degrees as "elitists"?
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cstandri
11:37 AM on 07/01/2010
You're right. It should say "Republicans continuously show they hate teachers by constantly cutting their jobs, school budgets, and still demanding more out of them."

Only, it doesn't fit so well on a headline.
06:57 PM on 06/30/2010
Didn't Republicans wanted to save jobs? Oh no, not if Democrats want to save jobs. Another example of how Republicans stopped caring about the issues at hand and are just blocking legislation because they're sore losers, bitter because they're in the minority.
03:33 PM on 06/30/2010
Conservatives don't hate all teachers, just the under worked, overpaid unionized teachers who plague our public school systems.
08:30 PM on 06/30/2010
Have you ever taught? When was the last time you spent a month in the life of a public school teacher? I'm not a teacher but spent my professional career as a social worker in public and private schools and it is an extremely hard job. By the way I've worked with teachers who used to work in the private sector and they report teaching much harder then their previous professional jobs.
10:03 PM on 06/30/2010
Teaching is the hardest thing I ever did. I'd like to say it was also the most rewarding, but parents and administration did not back up the teachers and the board cut our pay and benefits and added more duties, so I can't even say that.

Sad to say, it is even harder now.
11:23 PM on 06/30/2010
I don't disagree with you, but the rest of us also work hard. If we don't produce, we get fired. Our employers just can't raise taxes every time we want a raise. So yes, we do get resentful of unions that pay off our politicians who in turn give away large raises and pension benefits with our money. We don't begrudge the teachers, but we feel like we get hosed by the union and our corrupt politicians every three years when the new contracts come up.
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leftbehind2000
Occupy Your LIFE.
10:53 PM on 06/30/2010
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."

- Daniel Boorstin
03:10 PM on 06/30/2010
The real objective of the Republican leadership is to stop teachers from teaching lest their students acquire the knowledge that the most wasteful expenditure of tax dollars is on war itself, and an educated citizenery is against unnecessary wars of dubious merit. Think about it. The Republicans are irate that pro-education spending was included in a war funding bill. The Democrats have some nerve, and the nerves are connected through the central nervous system to the brain!
11:25 PM on 06/30/2010
I am irate that there is yet another war funding bill. Bring the troops home.
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brainyblond1
11:25 AM on 07/01/2010
I concur...don't just mouth that trite phrase, "Support our troops". If you support those being injured, and those who have lost a father, mother, son, daughter,grandparent, niece,nephew, friend, lover, companion...BRING THEM HOME NOW!
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cstandri
11:48 AM on 07/01/2010
I love the whole "freedom isn't free" that I see on churches and hear from repubs, but then they don't think we should pay taxes to fund the war.
01:48 PM on 06/30/2010
This topic should be the main. Your column, not so much.

From an actual news source (AP):

"The difficulty in passing the bill in the House is magnified by disagreement between Republicans supportive of the war — who insist the measure be "clean" of unrelated spending — and Democrats who want funding for the unpopular war to carry unrelated party priorities. Republicans are threatening to withhold support for the overall package if Democratic add-ons are included."

Not to mention that teacher unions are amongst the most powerful in the nation. And Dems are beholden to those unions.

Your headline and article are hyperbole.
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cstandri
11:50 AM on 07/01/2010
OMG!!! A hyperbole in a column??? The right has never done that! Stupid Libs, and their willingness to argue ideas!! That's it, I'm avoiding Hyperbole from now on by watching only Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.
01:18 PM on 06/30/2010
I used to be a proud New Jersey resident until our current Governor blamed all of our budget problems on the teachers and public employees. According to him the budget deficits have nothing to do with the current worldwide financial crises related to the shadow banking practices of the mega-banks and other high-risk banking practices but they are due to the 'outrageous and extravagant salaries, benefits and pensions of teachers. And, forget the fact that NJ students have some of the highest standardized tests scores in the country, the Governor and his Education Commissioner refute their validity. That wouldn't buy into their agenda of funneling monies away from public schools to charter schools. The Governor's conservative agenda will not be swayed by actual facts and he continually attacks educators. He told voters to vote down their local budgets if teachers had not accepted a pay freeze and he called teachers 'drug mules'. I have never heard such HATE speech coming from a NJ elected officials. Gee, I miss Governor Tom Kean a Republican who treated others with respect. Governor Christie is a bully who is anti-educator. And, he is so proud of himself with his decision to eliminate full funding of family planning and women's health care. Is this conservative or idiotic thinking?
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
11:15 AM on 06/30/2010
Of course conservatives hate teachers. Their bread and butter is a dumbed down constituency. (And those aren't sour little words. Look at their track record from Reagan forward. They detest any kind of learning and any monies spent on it from the actual schools/teachers/students themselves to the results of education be it science or tech advancement. And yet will shamelessly run around hollering "American excellence!" like blithering eejits.)

Education is a threat to their reliable uninformed voter base and to the drone class that they seem intent on building. Education is a word that they reach for easily come election time, standing around some folksy town square, kissing a baby and patting little Chip-Off-The-Old-Bock, Jr. on the head. Because it sounds good and photographs well, Then they dovetail it neatly into small town family values for the women fok and "bootstraps" for the men folk and go back to Washington and vote against anything related to education. Neat trick. It's why we have Tea Bagges.

As for the conservatives Democrats playing along here, I can't tell you. I'm not a Democrat (Independent) but my guess is that the midterms are coming up and they're saying and doing the "I want to get re-elected and my district is purple" thing.
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missouriwatcher
military veteran, veteran teacher, father, grandpa
01:58 PM on 06/30/2010
It is obvious that they hate teachers. How often do we hear them speak of the "intelligencia" as though education and free thinking is a bad thing? What is more, they are hypocrites as nearly all of them hold earned graduate degrees. It is just a cheap shot at gaining the uneducated's vote; uneducated that is either too lazy or else intellectually incapable of looking into what they are being told.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
03:48 PM on 06/30/2010
I think they're going for a twist on the cultural revolution. Which as I understand - speaking of education I should read more on topics like this - it was about the leaders being threatened by all the advances both in intellect and lifestyle brought about by cultural and educational advances. Do I have that right? (I went to college briefly with a young woman whose mother died in that revolution. She didn't say much - too painful. Her mom had been a professor I think. They put her in a field and worked her to death.) Anyway, The GOP doesn't want anybody "gettin' above their raisin'". That's only for the GOP leadership.

That's what it makes me think of. At some point though as you point out, they have the choice not to be lazy and buy into it. Sometimes stoopid really is a choice.

Speaking of which. I just read something and copied it to e-mail to my husband. I'm gonna give it to you - because it's funny. How can I tie this into education? Mmmm. Oh! Clearly an example of homeschooling. ;-)

I must check out this blogger "tinfoiler". Andrew Sullivan nabbed it:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/06/quote-13.html