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Posted: January 5, 2010 01:04 PM

Newsflash: Teabaggers Are a Bust and Most People Haven't Heard of Glenn Beck

What's Your Reaction:

Everyone seems to be treating the new faces of the conservative movement as wildly successful and influential. But the real story of the conservative movement in 2009 is that it has been a colossal failure where it counts: affecting policy.

Just this week, the Post's Dana Milbank based an entire column on the notion that Glenn Beck is more popular than the Pope -- both actually received a scant 2% in an open-ended Gallup poll asking what man you admire most, while the President led with 30%.

(I can play this game too: Barack Obama is 15 times more admired than the Pope!)

Milbank concludes, "by any measure, he's had a huge impact on the body politic." Any measure?

Were Beck and his minions able to stop the stimulus? Kill health care reform? Convince the leaders in Copenhagen that global warming really is hoax concocted by evil scientists? Accomplish any policy goal that he exhorted his followers to achieve?

What are Milbank's measures of success?

* Beck has "3 million a night" watching his show. Well, that's 1% of the country. Bravo.

* Beck's show helps drive book sales, hence he has "cultural impact." Actually, it takes a lot less than 3 million to make a best-seller list, so again, not exactly evidence that Beck "is America," as Milbank suggests.

* "He single-handedly brought down Obama adviser Van Jones over the official's far-left past." That's true. He forced out a member of Obama's administration to quit. But the green jobs agenda that Jones was working on remains on track. And Beck was unable to generate any momentum to force out other members of the Administration. So, so what?

* Finally, he credits Beck with being a "major promoter of the Tea Party movement." If attending large rallies amounts to "huge impact," I guess the folks from A.N.S.W.E.R are who really ruled the roost the last decade.

Today, the Times' David Brooks joins the hyping of the Tea Party movement, asserting: "The tea party movement is mostly famous for its flamboyant fringe. But it is now more popular than either major party. According to the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 41 percent of Americans have a positive view of the tea party movement. Only 35 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Democrats and only 28 percent have a positive view of the Republican Party."

But that's a very flimsy comparison. There are plenty of people on the left mad at the Democratic Party for not being liberal enough, and people on the right mad at the Republicans for not being insane enough, driving down the parties' overall approval numbers, while the Teabaggers probably have consolidated a certain degree of support on the Right.

Furthermore, we don't even know how many people responding positively in the NBC/WSJ poll actually know what the "Tea Party" movement is really about. As Politifact noted, only 40% of Americans know who Glenn Beck is. The NBC/WSJ poll itself found 48% of people knew "very little" or "nothing at all" about the Tea Party movement, and poll's subsequent description of the movement was far milder than what you see at Tea Party events.

The Teabaggers make a lot of noise, sometimes with the inadvertent help of easily outraged liberals. But time and time again this year, they failed to actually alter the policies they were hysterical about. I'll detail further in a follow-up post later this week.

Originally posted at OurFuture.org

 
 
 

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06:40 PM on 01/06/2010
I'm liberal and I also run with an almost entirely liberal crowd.

I know almost NOBODY who watches TV, and the few that do sure don't watch cable news.

I have this theory that the neo-cons dominate the airwaves because progressives read books, go to film festivals, study, get news online, visit museums and listen to NPR.

They likme to say that is because liberals are elite, which I disagree with, but take as a compliment.
snaggle2th
my micro-bio is empty, just like my life
03:20 PM on 01/06/2010
Wait! Don't move to Canada.... that's no where near far enought away from the crazies... Europe is far, far better. Nicer climate, better food, proper health care too. And, if you want, REAL socialists, not just people a little to the left of RINOs.... ;-)
01:23 PM on 01/06/2010
If Beck is so insignificant, then why do MSNBC and the White House continually attack him?
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BeVeryAfraid
Epistemophobia is treatable my little 0 fan poster
06:40 PM on 01/09/2010
Do they? Or does the media portrait that the White House and MSNBC attack Beck?
01:19 PM on 01/06/2010
Teabaggers = last gasp of WASP.
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01:06 PM on 01/06/2010
The Teaparty movement is a mixed blessing. On one hand, the teaparty is showing the true colors of the GOP with little to no censorship, so America can realize the threat to the USA they pose. Once upon a time in the Republican party, it was impolite to use racist terms, it was considered unpatriotic to concoct ridiculous lies that if were true, would be cause for revolution. The Right Wing media changed that by removing civility and in the process did something far darker.

Its a proven fact that anger creates a chemical stew in the brain that mimics to some extent, stimulants such as Methamphetamine, which in lays the ground work for anger addiction. Rush Limbaugh was the first peddler of this Right Wing Hate Meth and like good addicts, the right wing consumed it begging for more. The course of addiction is so advanced that the Right Wingers are now begging their media personalities to concoct fantastical lies to increase the euphoric rush of anger. And like in typical addict fashion, the levels of anger that used to achieve adequate arousal, such as "tax and spend" "soft on crime" now have to resort to "Obama is Hitler, Healthcare reform = Nazi death squads, Obama will let in all the muslim terrorists" in order to achieve the desirable effects. One only has to look at Glenn Becks histrionic outbursts to see the parallel to advanced stages of meth addiction.
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Millie Lencioni
10:22 AM on 01/06/2010
It's a proven fact that statistics can be manipulated to show whatever you want it to show. They don't have to be fair, they are just trying to prove THEIR point. Total nonsense!
11:46 AM on 01/06/2010
LOL... a proven fact that 100% of statistics can be manipulated..get it?
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
02:12 PM on 01/06/2010
And did you know that 68% of statistics are just made up??
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ThermoChemist
"Forewarned Is Forearmed"
11:56 AM on 01/06/2010
Definition of Statistics:
The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

: )
Threepointturn
Jon Stewart watches Fox "news", so you don't have
10:16 AM on 01/06/2010
The teabaggers are not unlike the carpetbaggers of the ole south, both being groups of rogue individuals.

The last eight years, the teabaggers were for huge deficits with none of the cash being used for Americans. No improvements to infrastructure, education, employment, energy policy, health care etc. The new president, President Obama needs funding for issues to improve America, but the teabaggers are saying that Bush spent all the money so there is none left.

The other main issue with the teabaggers is the objection to Czars. Bush Czars were OK, however the Obama Czars seem to be a problem with the teabaggers.
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Anne Johnson
Fairly Unbalanced
11:25 AM on 01/06/2010
To be fair, up until last year "teabagging" meant something else entirely. Now it stands for something perverted and disgusting.
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Smithn
~ 13.7 Billion Years:::: i am not. BANG! I am.
11:55 AM on 01/06/2010
You are just too funny! LOL
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02:20 PM on 01/07/2010
Good one.
11:39 AM on 01/06/2010
Oh, nonsense. The carpetbaggers were Northern opportunists who moved South to enrich themselves by filling the power vacuum left by the ousted old Confederate aristocracy. Teabaggers are simply sheep being manipulated and bussed around by the new Confederate aristocracy.
08:32 AM on 01/06/2010
Dancing with the Stars averaged 17 million viewers per episode this season. That makes Donny Osmond 5.6 times more admired than Glenn Beck.
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Anne Johnson
Fairly Unbalanced
11:55 AM on 01/06/2010
Well at least we know who the more popular mormon is!
01:56 PM on 01/06/2010
Zing! Good one!!
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PolecatMtn
06:50 AM on 01/06/2010
I agree with "middle of the road". Turn on your AM Radio and you will hear hour after hour of conservative voices. Where I live you CANNOT get anything but conservative talk radio. Day in day out you hear the reich wingers spewing their hate. The folks in the Beltway are probably not aware that our here in the country the conservatives rule the air waves. Go anywhere and you will see Fox TV on TV sets in Dr.s offices, public waiting areas, you name it. CNN was blown away some time ago by Fox TV. Dangerous? You bet. Tired of it all, consider yourself to be a moderate Republican or a moderate/conservative Democrat. Check out the Modern Whig Party. Go on I dare you. There can be a future for America that is not run by extremists either right or left.
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naewing
08:53 AM on 01/06/2010
I hate places where the TV is on in waiting rooms. It's like a punishment.
That being said, I read a suggestion once that we let businesses know that we will not be back as long as they show only Fox news in their waiting areas. I was about to do that with my mechanic, but when I went in the next time, CNN was on. Maybe someone beat me to it.
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amyhasopinions
plotter of world peace
10:24 AM on 01/06/2010
I so feel your pain. It really is just incredibly bizarre, how polarized distinct areas of this country have become.
01:16 AM on 01/06/2010
Who listens to Milbank?

Van Jones might have something to say about this!
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rickd24
12:38 AM on 01/06/2010
Bill,

It's "affecting policy", not "effecting policy." :)
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Bill Scher
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06:09 AM on 01/06/2010
Gah! Thanks for the catch.
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Smithn
~ 13.7 Billion Years:::: i am not. BANG! I am.
12:00 PM on 01/06/2010
I'm 66 years and I still have to look at a cheat-sheet to get the effect on how I'm affecting my own stor. And, after doing so; I'm never surprized when it's pointed out that I'm wrong! ^J*
10:56 PM on 01/05/2010
I was born in 1962.....hard for some to imagine, I know......and my entire extended family in Louisiana and Texas have been permanently scarred by the republican "Southern Strategy". They used racism and fear to get poor uneducated southerners to vote against their interests, politically and economically. Beck, Palin, Hume, O'Reilley.....the usual hate filled rightists we all know and love are ginning up a far worse, far more vicious and vile version of the same old song and dance. This time they are preaching to a far smaller, older and more easily led group of sheep and they would not protest so loudly if they were not so filled with fear. We are winning.
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dfranz
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08:59 PM on 01/05/2010
Normal people don't pay attention to Glen Beck the paranoid ones do. You have to be into conspiracy theories to enjoy watching him. Right now he is thinking he's the most influential person in the media next to his hero Rush. In reality 90% of the country sees him as a clown.
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DeloresT
Writer/retired teacher
12:08 AM on 01/06/2010
NOT! Only a few Americans know about him and mostly from what they see online.
madame48
NO..it's a gop Cookbook !Tempus edax,homo edacior
12:20 PM on 01/06/2010
bad to mix with guns...ask the families of those 3 cops in Pittsburg
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07:23 PM on 01/05/2010
So... Ummm how many people know who Bill is?? How many books has he sold?? Best sellers??
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Bill Scher
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06:10 AM on 01/06/2010
It's true! I have not had an impact on policy in 2009. Stop reading this post!
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kathy001
Don't bogart that duck
11:42 AM on 01/06/2010
If you are going to base a person's integrity and reliability on the number of books they have sold, I suggest you follow J.K. Rowling's advice in all areas of your life and just ignore all these other light weights.
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middleoftheroad
06:01 PM on 01/05/2010
See Bill, Beck is not there for you, or anyone here at Huffington, Kos, or MovOn...You can say that he did not affect policy, but in some degree he and the rest of talk radio helped create the wave that stopped health care in its tracks in august.

see, the value of Beck, and Rush, and Levine, and Hannity, and Medved, and Savage, and Monica Crowley, and Laura Ingraham,and Dom Giordano and Dennis Miller, and Mike Gallagher, and William Bennett, and Dennis Prager , and Hugh Hewitt, and G Gorddon Liddy, and oh you get the picture...is that in an election year they are a daily drumbeat from 6:00AM-12 midnight on two or three stations in every market 5 days a week. In a year with a star like Obama in a Bush tired country, no GOPer was going to win...but watch what this monster does in midterms in moderate and conservative districts...thats how they will influence policy.
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Julia Bailey
06:30 PM on 01/05/2010
Health care was not stopped in its tracks in August. The senate took a recess during that time.
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Bill Scher
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06:57 PM on 01/05/2010
That was the best they did, they caused a bump in the road in August. Then Obama came out swinging in Sept. and put the death panels nonsense to rest, and the Right was wholly irrelevant for the rest of the health care debate. That is part of what I plan to write about in my follow-up post.
07:52 PM on 01/05/2010
Really? Healthcare was stopped in it's tracks?

The teabaggers are not thwarting legislation and they're not getting any of their candidates elected either. Apparently teabaggers are striking on the anniversary of Obama's inauguration. We'll see how effective that is when Mickey D's is short some burger flippers and the retired teabaggers don't shop at Walmart, January 20th.
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beauboy
02:31 AM on 01/06/2010
Hey SuperBunny, You nailed it!! The Teabaggers were thumped,buried and trumpled in the cabbage patch by a modern day "Super Bunny.|" Careful not to pour hot water over the afflicted area, or they might rise again..