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The Question for Tonight's GOP Debate About the Bush Tax Cuts

Posted: 06/13/11 07:06 PM ET

Tonight is the first Republican presidential debate with all the top contenders planning to attend. And there is only question I want to see asked:

Why didn't the Bush tax cuts create any jobs?

Every candidate on tonight's debate stage not only continues to support the Bush tax cuts, but also proposes additional tax cuts for corporations and individual millionaires.

Tim Pawlenty wants to cuts taxes on the wealthiest from 35% to 25%, and on corporations from 35% to 15%.

Newt Gingrich proposes an "optional flat tax" of 15% which will surely be "opted" by every millionaire now paying 35%, as well as eliminating the estate tax on heirs and the capital gains tax on speculators.

Rep. Michelle Bachmann voted for the House budget, which slashed the tax rate for corporations and wealthy individuals to 25%, then argued that what we really need is higher taxes on the poor and middle class.

Rick Santorum criticized the bipartisan tax cut deal President Obama forged with congressional Republicans on the grounds it did not cut taxes on the wealthy enough.

Former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain calls for more tax cuts for the wealthy, but hasn't given specifics yet and also backs cutting the capital gains tax and eliminating the estate tax.

Mitt Romeny is calling for lower taxes on corporations but hasn't yet laid out specifics.

Yet none of them have been directly asked to explain why they support an extension and expansion of, according to the Wall Street Journal, a tax policy that produced "the worst record on record" on job creation?

Shouldn't they at least be expected to offer a reason why the Bush tax cuts didn't work?

How can we take them seriously if they can't learn a single lesson from recent history?

This is no longer an abstract debate. The Bush tax cuts happened.

Conservatives claimed they would boost the economy and create jobs. They didn't.

The fundamental truth of the failure of the Bush tax cuts should be front and center of any discussion about our future tax policy.

Any presidential debate that ignores this fundamental truth is doing a disservice to the electorate.

Originally published at OurFuture.org

 
 
 

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03:09 PM on 06/14/2011
Technological breakthroughs lead to increased unemployment. Big corporations e.g. walmart, food lion, office depot take employment away from mom and pop stores. Then big corporations outsource work and that leave americans out of work. If that is not enough imports from countries with cheap labor suffocate local workers.
Hence big corporations, technology, outsourcing and cheap imports cause unemployment. Now who will pay for retirement and medical for unemployed people - answer should be corporations and cheap imports. So government should raise tax on corporations which are making too much money on the cost of common man and then government should pay for retirement and medical from that money.
This is so simple to understand.
bebecca
liberal atheist in ky
01:37 PM on 06/14/2011
The bigger question is how do Republicans keep getting elected?
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Transomme
shy; retiring and mirthless
04:40 PM on 06/14/2011
Wide-streaks of cynical hereditary ignorance.
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manntxs
I opted out cause I don't need no stinkin badges.
05:42 PM on 06/14/2011
Take it from an old man. If you really want to elect better representatives then don't vote on party lines. They (R & D) count on that. Besides, you will likely vote for the wrong person only because you look less closely. Consider party if you will but judge according to the best candidate. For you, your district but also add in your nation too.

One additional thing before I post this. Fear any candidate that does not address the imbalance of our taxed citizenary. By that I mean, if the current tax contribution percentages are not aligned better, and additional programs like national healthcare hit, we will collapse. This should be a huge concern of every American because our deficit right now is the highest percentage of GDP than it has been but a wide margin since WWII. And has been for three years in a row now.
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01:07 PM on 06/14/2011
It's not hard to see how we got ourselves into this financial mess... trying to reshape the Arab world with protracted and unpopular wars, bailing out banks, saving insurance companies, letting multi-nationals get away with pyaing little if any tax, subsidizing industry, and giving the rich tax breaks. But why is it that we won't hold anyone responsible?
08:27 AM on 06/14/2011
I love liberals logic of blaming Bush tax cuts for all that's wrong? However, their blame is only on the Bush tax cuts for a specific 2% of the population? When you counter with just doing away with the Bush tax cuts all together, they scream of the horror of actual tax increases on the poor, poor, pitiful poor? You either are for the tax cuts entirely, or your not?

As far as corporate tax rates, democrats need to propose a law making it a crime for a corporation to relocate overseas, as that's the only strategy that will help retain corporations while attempting to be the highest corporate tax rate country in the world.. When the US corporate tax rate is second highest in the world, it is understandable why companies would want to relocate to a more tax friendly country. But, instead of adopting a strategy of competing with all countries about being the lowest tax rate so that maybe the US would become a destination for foreign corporations to locate thereby producing more jobs, they choose to try become the highest tax rate in the world? It's kind of like slapping somebody in the face repeatedly and being upset that the person getting slapped gets tired of getting hit, so they duck?
08:01 AM on 06/14/2011
Excellent question.

A good follow-up might be: "Why would corporate tax cuts cause a corporation hire more employees if the customers' incomes are falling? or "Overall, are not the employees and their families the customers of business?

Clarification: I'm not referring to the millions of small business owners who are also the customers of other small businesses.
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RED66
We must return to a Constitutional government.
07:29 AM on 06/14/2011
"Why didn't the Bush tax cuts create any jobs?"

The unemployment rate went DOWN after the Bush tax rate cuts got us out of TIF President Clinton's recession.

Revenue from income taxes paid to the US Treasury went UP after the Bush tax rate cuts.

Please get your facts straight.
08:15 AM on 06/14/2011
I haven't looked into it, but if its true then maybe it was the lag effect of dot.com boom profits taken (capital gains are fully taxable but capital losses can only be deducted to a limited extent in the years taken). = net increase in revenue
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Dave Moat
well let's party
01:01 PM on 06/14/2011
clinton created 25 million jobs in 8 years
bush created 3.5 million jobs in 8 years

Hummmm you must not be very good with numbers
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shy; retiring and mirthless
04:46 PM on 06/14/2011
Likely an accountant.
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Carl Caroli
Give peace a chance
07:01 AM on 06/14/2011
"Any presidential debate that ignores this fundamental truth is doing a disservice to the electorate."
This is the party line that none will cross for fear of losing their support. Blind faith in bad policy.
06:43 AM on 06/14/2011
I am tired of hearing about tax breaks for the wealthy. Over forty precent of the people in this country pay little or no taxes at all. The wealthly pay most of the taxes. If everyone paid their share of the taxes this debate may have some merit. The wealthy create wealth and jobs not the poor. I have never had a poor person give me a job. The people who pay no taxes are living off the work of the wealthy and complain if they ge a break. We need to change the tax system to a flat tax or fair tax and get rid of the income tax.Who did more to create wealth and jobs Bill Gates of Jesse Jackson.
08:21 AM on 06/14/2011
Marie Antoinette would have concurred.
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04:02 PM on 06/14/2011
You are incorrect in your assertions. They may not pay any Federal income tax but they do pay a litany of other taxes in their day to day life. The wealthy pay more taxes because they have more money. I doubt this supposed 40% would balk at paying more in taxes if they made more money.
Paolo7219
Sometimes doing the right thing means not doing th
03:36 AM on 06/14/2011
Why do Republicans still support the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy? Because they worked! I say this as a Progressive Democrat. The purpose of the Bush tax cuts was and is to transfer wealth from one group to the wealthiest 2--5% in the USA. This was the REAL reason and that was the objective all along, not something idiotic like job creation. Naturally Republicans don't want to talk about this subject; they aren't dumb enough to admit at anytime, but especially in the campaign season that the Bush tax cuts are designed to benefit the already wealthy. Actually, Republicans would rather not talk about jobs at all--or the economy in general.
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RED66
We must return to a Constitutional government.
07:31 AM on 06/14/2011
How is taking less money from somebody giving him something?

If I don't rob you today, did I give you money?
Paolo7219
Sometimes doing the right thing means not doing th
11:39 AM on 06/14/2011
Try some simple math--if you can handle it. If the government lowers your taxes, you have more money to spend. Example (one you should understand): Johnny goes into the store to buy an apple. He has $1.00 to spend. Last week Johnny bought an apple for 89 cents, but this week the same apple is 69 cents. So today, Johnny walks out of the store with an apple AND 31 cents instead of last week when he walked out of the store with an apple and only 11 cents. The problem is the rich won't be happy until they pay NO taxes. They like living here, they just don't want to pay their fair share for the privilege.
02:02 AM on 06/14/2011
So let me get this straight: the position here is that not that we should hold spending back to match revenue, but instead argue whether job killing corporate and personal tax rates should be raised? You people on the left are ridiculous. You frame the question backwards, why would you raise taxes during an anemic recovery? Even your hero BO could see the logic.
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Dave Moat
well let's party
01:11 PM on 06/14/2011
they tax cuts did not work under bush...He had 8 years and he left with a reccession and only 3.5 million jobs created in 8 years
Clinton created 25 milloin jobs in 8 years.....
You do the math
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Transomme
shy; retiring and mirthless
12:54 AM on 06/14/2011
Queries Mr. Scher:

"Shouldn't they at least be expected to offer a reason why the Bush tax cuts didn't work?

How can we take them seriously if they can't learn a single lesson from recent history?
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Please do not let anyone forget this.
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herbertpop
03:56 PM on 06/14/2011
You are SO right
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shy; retiring and mirthless
04:28 PM on 06/14/2011
That's two of us on this particular bandwagon, 'Herbert'.
05:40 PM on 06/14/2011
The question was asked, right at the top of the show and they talked right around it. In fact, there were very few direct answers to the majority of the questions last night. The winner last night?

Obama.
12:48 AM on 06/14/2011
How out of touch are these guys. And they do not give a crap about people. Corporations are not peple!
02:03 AM on 06/14/2011
no they are the ones that pack up and take all the jobs with them when you overtax them.
04:07 AM on 06/14/2011
Looks like they did that during the last 10 years anyway, with the Bush tax cuts soundly in place.
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Russell Masingale
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06:21 AM on 06/14/2011
right i am sure the negative tax rate enjoyed by ge is the only thing keeping their senior management here. nevermind that there will be no educated workforce, no roads or buses to take them to work, and no houses for the employees to buy if corps do not start paying more taxes.
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shy; retiring and mirthless
12:28 AM on 06/14/2011
The premise of this article begs the question: 'Where are these 'candidates' living?'
10:26 PM on 06/13/2011
Perhaps a better question would be "Do you support Obama's extension of the Bush tax cuts and if so, why?"

Or how about "The republican controlled house produced a budget which was voted down in the democrat senate 57-41ish. The budget the president presented was voted down in the democrat controlled senate 97-0. The democrats in the democrat senate have presented no budget at all. Do you think the senate which is legally obligated to prepare a budget should do so?"
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Holymolly
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12:37 AM on 06/14/2011
Eh!
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David Rozgonyi
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01:50 AM on 06/14/2011
"Perhaps a better question would be "Do you support Obama's extension of the Bush tax cuts and if so, why?""

I'm an uber lib who supported obama strongly, but I totally agree. He had his chance to do something about it, and failed. Someone needs to run against him from our side (or maybe just my side; don't know about you, shadow), because he sure as heck isn't a democrat in my view.
05:55 PM on 06/14/2011
Don't give up on Obama yet. He has been swimming upstream from day one with every Republican in DC with one goal, get him out of office in 2012, and they haven't accomplished anything else pursuant to that goal.

He got bin Laden when the previous administration didn't care (see Bush's "I don't care where he is" comment). That got swept under the carpet after a few days and the verbal attacks continued.

We need to be rebuilding our highway infrastructure and develop hi speed rail to create jobs that only the government can create. It's obvious that no major corporations are doing anything to create new jobs.
09:13 PM on 06/13/2011
Do you REALLY expect Wolf Blitzer to ask that question?