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Posted: April 26, 2010 02:50 PM

The Simpson-Bowles Deficit Hysteria Sideshow Debuts On Fox

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The following is part of the "Virtual Summit on Fiscal and Economic Responsibility for People Who Did Not Wreck The Economy."

Before the White House deficit commission meets for the first time tomorrow, the two co-chairs Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson gave a preview on Fox News Sunday.

It wasn't pretty.

They claim to be leading a "just-the-facts" dialogue, yet they seem unaware of the fact that we just passed the biggest deficit reduction bill in history, known as "health care reform."

Both Bowles and Simpson stressed they would be relying on official numbers from the Congressional Budget Office and government actuaries. But Simpson, unprompted, made this bizarre comment:

Somebody said, well, is the new health care bill off the table? I said, nothing is off the table, absolutely nothing.

Uh, the proper response to that question is: "Absolutely, because it would be pretty stupid to put on the table legislation that the Congressional Budget Office just estimated would cut the deficit by over $1 trillion."

If the co-chair of the deficit commission fails to understand health care, he fails to understand the deficit.

As economist Mark Thoma noted, in rebutting Fed chairman Ben Bernanke's deficit hysteria about the Baby Boomer population bulge: "The CBO has argued persuasively ... that demographics is not the main problem. In addition, Social Security can be fixed relatively easy. It is health care costs rising independent of the aging of the population that must be addressed."

And as health care expert Atul Gawande explained in The New Yorker, the new health reform law will be testing out practically every cost-control idea that has been discussed:

It creates a center to generate innovations in paying for and organizing care. It creates an independent Medicare advisory commission, which would sort through all the pilot results and make recommendations that would automatically take effect unless Congress blocks them. It also takes a decisive step in changing how insurance companies deal with the costs of health care. ... Which of these programs will work? We can't know. That's why the Congressional Budget Office doesn't credit any of them with substantial savings. The package relies on taxes and short-term payment cuts to providers in order to pay for subsidies. But, in the end, it contains a test of almost every approach that leading health-care experts have suggested...

And that's why Paul Krugman said the cost savings are likely to be even better than estimated:

...there's good reason to believe that all such estimates are too pessimistic. There are many cost-saving efforts in the proposed reform, but nobody knows how well any one of these efforts will work. And as a result, official estimates don't give the plan much credit for any of them. What the actuary and the budget office do is a bit like looking at an oil company's prospecting efforts, concluding that any individual test hole it drills will probably come up dry, and predicting as a consequence that the company won't find any oil at all -- when the odds are, in fact, that some of the test holes will pan out, and produce big payoffs. Realistically, health reform is likely to do much better at controlling costs than any of the official projections suggest.

Neither Bowles or Simpson even acknowledged that we have taken this major step toward reducing deficits in the long-term. Worse, Simpson grotesquely implied that the health reform law has made the fiscal picture worse.

A disturbing preview to tomorrow's opening session.

 
 
 

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Ppossom
His life is full
11:03 AM on 04/28/2010
It is not too late to implement single payer health insurance, and put an end to all the GOPer caterwauling and misinformation to be read below this post.
06:36 PM on 04/27/2010
Predicted budget effects of the health care bill vary. Health and Human Services Department predicted an increase (link below). The fact that the effects are unknown is reason enough to have it "on the table" in a dispassionate budget review. The fact that the estimates predicting a deficit reduction are wildly optimistic is another.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_law_costs;_ylt=Av3ZBzS5NQb8WEBazpB2ENes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNvaDA5c2s2BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNDIzL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX2xhd19jb3N0cwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3JlcG9ydGhlYWx0aA--
04:06 PM on 04/27/2010
Trust government with saving our money? Riiiiiight, because it's the right thing to do and they have incentive to do so. As many of us worry, HC, social security, other gov spending will all contribute to bankrupting this country. We are on the path that Greece is on. There are many other countries that are following them and when the citizens are under crushing debt, the global bankers will come in to buy up and control more of the world.

http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/27/breaking-dems-hid-damning-health-care-report-from-public-until-a-month-after-vote/
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11:52 AM on 04/27/2010
I don't believe for a second this health care bill reduces the deficit. The CBO numbers are garbage. The ten year analysis includes ten years of new revenue, but only six years of expenditures. Further, everyone knows medicare will need a 200 billion dollar spending package to raise payments to doctors so they will continue to see medicare patients. Further, the plan calls for a future congress to cut 500 billion from medicare....anyone actually believe that is going to happen?

Rather than save 135 billion over ten years, this bill will more than likely add at least 1 trillion to the debt.
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Bill Scher
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01:57 PM on 04/28/2010
You ignore that the CBO's analysis of the SECOND decade after implementation found another $1 trillion in deficit reduction. If the first decade's savings was only because of a discrepancy between revenue and expenditures, that would not be the case.

The 10 year-6 year talking point is false and outdated. The final bill increases the Medicare payroll tax on the wealthy starting in 2012, not immediately, while some of the law's benefits (Medicaid expansion, closing donut hole, family insurance for young adults) kick in before then.
JNarragansett
Check your premises
11:10 AM on 04/27/2010
In 1994, the private sector mandate accounted for 60% of the costs projected by the CBO. All CBO scores on the current bill have not included any spending from the individual mandate. Read Budgetary Treatment for Proposals to Limit Medical Loss Ratios from the CBO to see how they haven't been included. We didn't make these costs disappear, but rather the individual mandates were carefully crafted to fall a hair short of inclusion in the CBO analysis. Add those costs and the bill will reach over 2 trillion. That's even assuming the cuts which have been promised and politically impossible for years will actually materialize.

Anyone who says that health care will save us money is either misinformed or lying. The same source for your numbers, the CBO has released memos describing how they avoided cost analysis like the one proposed by Rockefeller.

Since you have written on this subject multiple times, I would think that you should know this by now. What do you have to gain by perpetuating a misconception?
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Appleblossom
11:52 AM on 04/27/2010
I am telling you, shoot the sick is the best solution.
JNarragansett
Check your premises
01:18 PM on 04/27/2010
That's the best rebuttal to a comment that explains how the cost projection by the CBO is only around 40% of the real proposed spending?

You are allowed to attempt to make the argument that we should go broke, but you cannot simply pretend that these costs don't exist.
09:10 AM on 04/27/2010
The biggest defict reduction bill of all time, are you kidding me? Wow, now there is some living the fantasy world.
08:56 AM on 04/27/2010
Nobody who has watched government for any period of time seriously believes this corporate health care bill will reduce the deficit because we understand how the phony game works and we know the CBO projections based on unrealistic scenarios presented them by politicians are meaningless.
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gussiejives
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09:33 AM on 04/27/2010
You got a better estimate?
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11:53 AM on 04/27/2010
Most realistic estimates are between 1-2 trillion dollars of new debt over ten years.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
10:57 PM on 04/26/2010
Only the truly clueless think that a bill that will increase the deficit can be called a "deficit reduction bill".
08:26 AM on 04/27/2010
Everyone has their own opinion about what it will do to the deficit. Why don't we wait and see what it does....
JNarragansett
Check your premises
11:13 AM on 04/27/2010
If two people have a disagreement about whether or not they should drive off a cliff, do you really think that it would be a persuasive argument to say. Why don't we just drive off the cliff and see what it does first rather than offering our opinions?
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Skeptical Patriot
10:42 PM on 04/26/2010
Your article completely ignores the facts. The healthcare bill instituted a massive new tax increase including a 26% increase in capital gains and an 11% increase in ordinary income rates. These tax increases were used to offset the broadening of the entitlement system INSTEAD of deficit reduction leaving less dry powder to manage our ballooning entitlement deficits. The balancing act is based upon the fiction that Congress will reduce physician/provider compensation, something they have consistently failed to do and just failed do again only 60 days ago.

With 30M more people, a defined benefit program, and a fixed number of providers, the laws of economics take over and healthcare inflation takes over. I do not know a single credible healthcare finance expert that believes this will reduce expenditures.

So instead, we have a tax increase, we have a new entitlement, we have 10 years of taxes and 6 years of service, we have a medicare system headed for collapse and a social security system that has now moved into deficit spending. Our politicians are cowards whose complete disregard for our children continue with an orgy of spending to buy votes. Throw the bums out (both parties).
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BlueFloyd
The Antidote to Ayn Rand...
07:19 AM on 04/27/2010
BULLSHIIIT. Simply not true. Post some proof. Back it up. And dont link to a blog on fox site. You cant back this up.
09:27 AM on 04/27/2010
It called common sense. You add 30 million people to the game and expect costs to be reduced? You can no longer reject the most costly people in the program and you expect cost to go down? You call it BS, and want proof, the proof is reality sir. I have not seen you post anything that backs up your claim.

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) = CMS reports that under new law, overall national health expenditures will increase by $311 billion. CMS reports that about 14 million Americans will end up losing their current employer-sponsored coverage. writes CMS, “We show a negligible financial impact over the next 10 years for the other provisions intended to help control future health care cost growth” (p.13). Bottom Line: A health care law that will be costly to taxpayers, burden businesses, and create more problems than it solves.
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11:54 AM on 04/27/2010
Who died and made you the teacher?
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
09:44 PM on 04/26/2010
Gee guys, where were you during the entire period from 2001 to 2009 when another president was driving the country off a cliff? A little situational criticism here, eh? There's nothing fair or balanced about you; it's just a slogan.
04:27 PM on 04/27/2010
You're right. HC should have been tackled in a somewhat clear-headed, economically fair, bi-partisan way. Now we have this unsustainable, overcomplicated pile of monkey poo called HC reform. This is why many Repub and independent minded citizens are so mad at government. Things will definitely be changing this fall.
09:08 PM on 04/26/2010
The deficit is when the government spends more money than it takes in. Medicare is only a portion of the problem and simple Medicare reforms could have fixed much of the waste. The Health Care Bill is so much more than that. It will take in huge amounts of money from the pockets of ordinary citizens. And how will the government handle medical costs? The easiest way will be to deny expensive treatments. Veterans already see how government does everything it can to contain costs to the detriment of those under it's care. The problem with the Social Security system is that people are living too long, Obama care has an answer to that.
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Aerows
10:20 PM on 04/26/2010
Are you not one of the millions of Americans that is already getting "huge amounts of money" taken out of their pockets by health insurance companies? I do not understand this fear and horror of the government when corporations are already doing all of the things you are listing. Why do you trust a corporation where you have no say, but distrust a government where you get a vote and representation?

The disconnect is astonishing.
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
12:58 AM on 04/27/2010
So true! Thx Aerows!
01:22 PM on 04/27/2010
The mini-healthcare reform in Massachussetts has not driven down medical costs. So now, we're stuck with a law (for the next three years, anyway) that will force taxpayers to pay more to the pernicious health insurance companies AND pay more to the pernicious federal government (after the JGRA expires next year). We can change insurance companies once a year but we have to wait 2-4 years to change governments.
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
01:00 AM on 04/27/2010
No... be patient. It starts with this change. I was involved in the Canadian transition... as a consumer, like you.

Paaaatience.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
07:10 PM on 04/26/2010
gosh and I was wondering what they would replace the Wall Street Privatization of Social Security and Medicare with.....I mean really I am so glad that they are no longer pimping the idea of investing our Social Security with the same people who have decimated our 401ks and any remaining pensions..... Of course the pensions for the Oligarchy are in good shape....
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Aerows
10:21 PM on 04/26/2010
And yet that is exactly what Republicans are eager to do. They don't bat an eyelash over the things corporations have done to this country, and instead always blame the government.