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Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Iraq, Oh My!

Posted: 10/24/11 10:37 AM ET

Ironically, the end of the war in Iraq was announced the day after the campaign in Libya ended. Iraq and Libya epitomize two radically different approaches for dealing with terrorism: massive intervention and targeted strikes.

The war in Iraq was led by the United States. It lasted nearly nine years and cost the U.S. $1 trillion and over 4,400 American lives. The outcome is still uncertain. The Libyan revolution was led by the Libyan people. The conflict lasted seven months. No U.S. combatants were killed, although several American journalists lost their lives. The cost to the United States was about $1.1 billion, or about a thousand times less than the war in Iraq. The Libyan revolution succeeded.

The Bush Administration justified the war in Iraq as "the central front" in the war on terror. "September the 11th should say to the American people that we are now a battlefield," President Bush said at a news conference just after the U.S. invasion. The idea was that the United States, as a matter of its own national security, had to disarm Iraq in order to prevent another 9/11.

The American public bought that argument. In the March 2003 Gallup poll, 88 percent were of the opinion that Saddam Hussein was supporting terrorist groups that had plans to attack the United States. In fact, 51 percent believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in 9/11. That's the reason why Americans supported something they had never supported, or even imagined, in the past -- a pre-emptive war.

There was only one check on Bush's bold agenda: the American people. Bold agendas make Americans nervous. Americans have no ambition to remake the world. Their ambition is simple. They just want to feel safe.

By 2004, the terrorism issue and the Iraq issue began to diverge. As the insurgency in Iraq intensified, Americans became disillusioned with the war in Iraq and started to see it as a distraction from the war on terror. First the former U.S. weapons inspector acknowledged that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Then the 9/11 commission reported finding "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." Shortly thereafter, for the first time, a majority of Americans said the war in Iraq was a mistake.

From that time on, the war continued to lose public support, even though, after the troop surge in 2007, Americans believed the security situation in Iraq was improving. Last year, only one quarter of Americans felt the U.S. was safer from terrorism as a result of the war in Iraq, according to the USA Today-Gallup poll.

Muammar Gaddafi was more clearly linked to anti-U.S. terrorism than Saddam Hussein was -- the bombing in 1986 of a Berlin nightclub frequented by U.S. servicemen, the 1988 downing of Pan Am 103 that resulted in 270 fatalities, including 189 Americans. But the U.S. did not invade Libya. "Without putting a single U.S. service member on the ground, we achieved our objectives," President Obama announced following Gaddafi's death last week. The Libyan people started -- and finished -- their own revolution with support from the international community, including the United States.

The Obama Administration has banished the term "war on terror." But it has still pursued a vigorous anti-terrorism policy. The President summarized that policy last week: "We've taken out al Qaeda leaders, and we've put them on the path to defeat. We're winding down the war in Iraq and have begun a transition in Afghanistan. And now, working in Libya with frieds and allies, we've demonstrated what collective action can achieve in the 21st century." ABC News lists nearly two dozen "senior terrorists" eliminated by the Obama Administration. President Obama's job rating on terrorism, at 64 percent approval, is higher than his rating on any other issue, according to polling this month by the Associated Press.

Last week, Karl Rove told The New York Times, "To the degree Obama tries to suggest he should be re-elected because of foreign policy strength, he looks like he's dodging the main issue." Keep in mind that Rove was the Bush strategist who advised Republicans a few months after 9/11, "We can go to the country on this issue" because voters "trust the Republican Party to do a better job of protecting and strengthening America's military might and thereby protecting America."

That is exactly what Republicans did in 2002 and 2004. And it worked.

 

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Ironically, the end of the war in Iraq was announced the day after the campaign in Libya ended. Iraq and Libya epitomize two radically different approaches for dealing with terrorism: massive interven...
Ironically, the end of the war in Iraq was announced the day after the campaign in Libya ended. Iraq and Libya epitomize two radically different approaches for dealing with terrorism: massive interven...
 
 
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fairwayhill
1948 Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
03:13 AM on 10/25/2011
There's a song by Billy Joel titled "We Didn't Start the Fire". It's time for Billy Joel to change the lyrics and say "We Did Start the Fire". Every time we see fire thrown against us, there's nobody to complain to but us.
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Rosalee Harris
09:23 AM on 10/25/2011
Funny you mentioned this because everytime I listen to that song which I love I always keep thinking that it should be We started the fire. I dont know maybe the lyrics didnt go with the music.
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gevan
big dubya
10:44 AM on 10/25/2011
What do you mean "We" Mr. Bush?
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nenitaB
Not the talk. What good result would it hav
11:43 PM on 10/24/2011
Mr. Bill Schneider's exclamation;"oh my" doesn't tell whether it favours Mr. Obama to a great deal by increasing his poll's ratings on overall package. On foreign policy , yes, but on other important aspects not quite. American people would put more impact on the basic needs, the economy and jobs problem. The author presented facts on the wars [Iraq and Libya] but didn't pointed out his views on this and obviously agreed in a way it's a plus factor for the Pres's campaign.
07:02 PM on 10/24/2011
Sir this paragraph's first sentence is part of why the American people who didn't buy the argument are freshly disgusted with all of you writing view points. What harm to start your premise with 22 percent of the American people were unconvinced with any arguments for pre-emptive war in Iraq. And I mean Iraq. Those of the American people who discerned the inadequate rationale for war with Iraq, and understood the reasonable need to take out the Taliban and Bin Laden have ever more disgust as time passes.

"The American public bought that argument. In the March 2003 Gallup poll, 88 percent were of the opinion that Saddam Hussein was supporting terrorist groups that had plans to attack the United States. In fact, 51 percent believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in 9/11. That's the reason why Americans supported something they had never supported, or even imagined, in the past -- a pre-emptive war."

Furthermore, as time passes, disgust for the fear-mongers in the GOP and their ilk shows over and over. Rove and all the GOP are showing their unpatriotic stance toward the office of POTUS via rancorous attitudes, profound negative commentary and media fixated upon that commentary.

Again, why is it that so little is mentioned about reasonable thinkers, common sense reality and mature attitudes. I'm tired of the excuse by writers that they'll write what sells. What about what's right?!
07:30 PM on 10/24/2011
I realize I messed up the math. I should have mentioned 12 percent.
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06:40 PM on 10/24/2011
One thing is certain, no matter what success Obama has in the continuing war on terror, it will be viewed as a failure or even UnAmerican and somehow illegal or UnConstitutional, or whatever negative they come up with by the Republican party. They have absolutely no interest in finding anything positive in any, and I mean any, action taken by President Obama. Their only interest is regaining power, at the expense of the American people if necessary.
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wbearl
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08:35 AM on 10/25/2011
I could have written this same post in 2007 and the only words I would have had to change is, Republican to Democrat. Today the Democrats are in a defensive position and don't like it, 4 years ago it was the Republicans. This trash the other party has been going on since 1967, it has gotten progressively nastier as it went along. What is sad is that if partisan people would just take the time to study history, they would see little changes. One party lies as much as the next, one party spends as much as the next and both parties are self serving, not public servants. But, to many people have this need to support a cause and to suffer for this cause, so they are quite content to just listen to what ever propaganda their chosen cause spews out every day. I got tired of all the political BS back in the late 70's and distanced myself from all political parties. I now study only people and believe little of what any of them say till I check it out myself and then think about it.
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01:50 PM on 10/25/2011
You would be wrong. The democrats pretty much gave Bush everything he wanted throughout his Presidency. Yes, there were times they didn't, but they usually did. So no, it is not interchangeable.
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06:28 PM on 10/24/2011
I kid you not, this is the newest right wing spin on Libya. Taking out Gadaffi is Obama's latest attempt to put Israel in danger. Yep. They're saying by taking out someone who was no friend of Israel, but allowing for the possibility he may be replaced by someone anti Israel in both word and deed, Obama the secret Muslim is trying to destroy Israel. Can you believe it? What kind of mind could possibly believe such tortured thinking?
06:16 PM on 10/24/2011
Libya over 20,000 missing portable surface to air missiles. 

Over 7,397 strike sorties

“We are an Islamic country,” he said as the sun descended. “We take the Islamic religion as the core of our new government. The constitution will be based on our Islamic religion.”

Among other things, he promised that Islamic banks would be established in the new Libya. The Associated Press reported.
06:42 PM on 10/24/2011
Could be. It's their country.

Please note that those 20,000 'missing' portable SAMs are no more 'missing' now than they were under a sworn enemy with a network in place to distribute them at his whim.

The fact that a new government may choose to do so, or may not guard them carefully is no more dangerous than leaving them in the hands of Qaddafi, and, in fact, probably a lot less dangerous.
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Articulator
07:28 PM on 10/24/2011
That's chicken feed compared to what's missing in Iraq.
04:08 PM on 10/24/2011
The outcome of the Iraq war is "uncertain" but the Lybian revolution "succeeded"? I'm lost.

If anything Iraq is has moved further towards success than Lybia. Both resulted in toppling a tyrannical but contained dictator, to be sure. But in Iraq, he was replaced by a democratic government. We have no clue what is going to happen next in Lybia.

Many criticized Bush for a supposed lack of an exit strategy. The Lybian War was all about the exit strategy without much thought to what happens the next day. How is that a success?
06:44 PM on 10/24/2011
The Libyans fought a civil war. The rebels won.

NATO preferred to see Qaddafi go with a minimum of death on both sides.

That, my friend, was a success.
09:57 PM on 10/24/2011
But, who are the rebels? At this point no one knows, possibly including the rebels. Check back in 5 years.
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leftalwaysright
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09:57 PM on 10/24/2011
One took 8 years and the other took 8 months. Iraq isn't any more stable then Libya today. But one thing we all know is the Libyans freed their own country and are proud of it, Iraq didn't ask for help getting rid of a tyrant but were forced to endure 8 years of war, huge lose of life and infrastructure and still not able to protect themselves. The interference by our government in Iraq was clearly a mistake and Iraq is still unstable and unhappy with the outcome. It was all about the oil regardless of what excuse the Bush administration used for our invasion.
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Raw Ron
Fox news: we distort, you comply
03:40 PM on 10/24/2011
Bush used fear and confusion to accomplish a long held desire by neo cons to invade Iraq. This in turn took our eye off the real problem, alienated our allies, cost a trillion bucks, 4000+ troops and accomplished nothing but strengthening Iran.

Obama on the other hand focuses on precision intervention with low cost in lives and treasure that yields very impressive outcomes. I guess being a community organizer has its benefits.

I thinks its amazing how foreign policy being the one responsibility the president has that republicans cant obstruct and sabotage is the one part of our government that is humming like a brand new Ferrari.
This should be a lesson to you "independent" voters that head to the polls next year.
If a party that runs on "government doesn't work" platform should not be hired to work in government.
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peakprfmr1
06:25 PM on 10/24/2011
hpw do the women like the new laws in Libia that we help them get
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Articulator
07:29 PM on 10/24/2011
Do you know what the laws for women are now in Iraq? I guess not.
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Doug Sandlin
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Get My Grift
My bio is anything but micro
03:33 PM on 10/24/2011
Iraq was a debacle (at least for what was gained), but it's a tad early to spike the football on Libya.
03:41 PM on 10/24/2011
Why b/c you could do so much better than an in sane proven ter ror ist???
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eclub
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03:00 PM on 10/24/2011
A very intriguing article. I agree.

I want to look at the issue from a neutral perspective. Let me put it as a debate between Bushite versus an Obamaniac:

Obamaniac: President Obama is suddenly emerged as a better president against the war on terror.

Bushite: You'd have to consider the entirety of Bush's philosophy and actions.

Obamaniac: Oh? He had one? What might that be?

Bushite: President Bush believed that a war to plant democracy in the heart of the Arab world, Iraq to be specific, will eventually yield tremendous change, and engender a domino effect that will bring freedom to more countries in that region. History will judge George. According to him, the likes of Lincoln are just beginning to get assessed by historians.

Obamaniac: I don't know about all that, all i know is that President Obama got the job done; he killed Osama Bin laden, instigated the down fall of Muammar Gaddafi, not to mention scores of killed, or capture al-Qaeda leadership.

Bushite: Let me put it to you this way: in primary school, a youngster is asked, what is the sum of 4 + 4, and he replied 10! Sure the magnitude of his answer is greater than the correct answer 8, that doesn't make the student smarter than his teacher. We must give credit where it's due, President Obama has had great successes on the war on terror, but he must also deal with the issues at home in order not to appear lucky.
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peakprfmr1
06:27 PM on 10/24/2011
actually tthe military gets the credit with me not politicians
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
02:13 AM on 10/25/2011
In case you didn't know, the military is commanded by President Obama and acted according to his policies. Military members who act according to their own will, when contrary to that of their leaders, can be charged with mutiny, whose penalty is death.
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gevan
big dubya
10:55 AM on 10/25/2011
Both in Iraq and Libya the military acted within the constaints put on it by their political bosses. War as the extension of diplomacy, etc.
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dkrypt
Unencumbered by political correctness
02:45 PM on 10/24/2011
Here comes Sharia law in all these wonderful places. Success!
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
02:57 PM on 10/24/2011
Because non-democratic dictatorships with massive human rights abuses are SOOO much better (and preferred by Republicans)!
04:20 PM on 10/24/2011
I did a search a few minutes ago and have confirmed what I thought, that there is no long documented history of human rights abuse under gaddafi in Lybia. Most of the record refers to what alledgedly happened during the civil war. Be careful of taking as fact what you have not investigated.
06:47 PM on 10/24/2011
Perhaps. But recall that we are not sovereign in any of them.

Those people took their countries, because they are tired of being oppressed.

Give 'em a chance.

Some will probably work out, some will still fail.
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01:17 PM on 10/24/2011
the third way.these are the guys who advised dems not to play into the ows because their polls show people are doing well.
01:14 PM on 10/24/2011
I disagree. Iraq and Libya are two completely different conflicts that aren't a simple black and white comparison. Iraq was during the height of American fear and revenge. We did not know when or where we could be possibly attacked. President Bush may have distorted information to drive his agenda, but I believe he did it for the security of America and not for some secret agenda. Libyan people were being slaughtered which prompted the UN to act in order to protect them. Iraqi's may have been treated poorly but there wasn't any signs of imminent danger to it's people. Although it may seem similar with the overthrowing of dictators, these countries had very different routes to their liberation.
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
02:20 AM on 10/25/2011
Lying doesn't make us more secure. When you aren't seen as an honest broker, you lose politcal capital. When you make policy according to a narrative that while inaccurate, suits your agenda, you'll find the policy isn't terribly effective and requires a lot of resources and political will to prop it up.

Obama didn't lie to get us into any conflicts, he intervened when the host country asked, secured broad-based cooperation and was later told by the new Libyan ambassador that the U. S. had made the right decision. Whatever the Libyans come up with on their own will take less political will to enforce, since it's homegrown and not imposed from the outside.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
12:39 PM on 10/24/2011
Thank you for telling, reporting and writing about the facts. I have missed YOU on CNN.

I know that you used to work for CNN. How I wish that you could help them out so they may get back to the basics of Journalism, reporting the truth.

The PEW Research has now scientifically proven that this pres is report on negatively than any of the TBGOPers' candidates.

This nation is in need of a press that is factual, truthful and presenting data accurately. We have lost that since Fox started beating CNN in 2002.
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peakprfmr1
06:30 PM on 10/24/2011
actually when Fox started was the first time we got the truth and you can tell by the ratings that people like it
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
08:53 PM on 10/24/2011
DeNile?

Fox who fought in the courts, in FL and won, that it was there right to LIE to their audience?

Ratings? In a nation of 308.7M. The highest rated show at Fox is O'Reilly and the most it gets intermittently is 3M plus. CBS Sunday morning show easily tops 5M plus. NBC gets over 8M, ABC News 7M and CBS gets 5M plus.

PBS gets 3M.

So please stop the spin.
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gevan
big dubya
10:59 AM on 10/25/2011
That's funny. To think that FOXsnooze invented "truth" is other worldly.
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Martin Houde
I am no microbe
12:16 PM on 10/24/2011
Great piece.

It's so hypocritical for GOP people to blame Obama for achieving their own goals, which they couldn't do themselves from 9-11 to Obama's inauguration...

One can question Obama's moves allright. But here, it is clear that if it were a GOP President, none of that criticism would have occurred from the GOP side...
06:52 PM on 10/24/2011
Oh, hell. They'd be dancing in the streets claiming sainthood, if it were done on W's watch.