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While Senators Denounce Medicaid, The Uninsured Turn To Charity

Posted: 11/22/09

The debate over health care reform often takes place in a haze of numbers, cost curves and acronyms. Lamar Alexander lifted the fog for a moment on the Senate floor Saturday evening as the third-ranking Republican lambasted the health care bill for opening up Medicaid to millions more Americans.

The plan, said the Senator from Tennessee, is "arrogant in its dumping of 15 million low-income Americans into a medical ghetto called Medicaid that none of us or any of our families would ever want to be a part of for our health care."

Of course, anybody would take the type of insurance available to a senator and his family over Medicaid. But Medicaid is still better than what's available to millions of Americans: nothing -- except the occasional charity treatment.

A few hours before Alexander's remarks, thousands of Arkansans convened at the Statehouse Convention Center for a mass free health clinic, the first of its kind in Little Rock. The clinic, organized by the National Association of Free Clinics, aimed to serve more than 1,225 Arkansans. As of 5:30 p.m. more than 800 people had been seen by nurses and doctors, according to Nicole Lamoreaux, executive director of the Association.

A majority of those that attended the clinic suffered from chronic conditions, said Kimberly Garner, a family medicine physician in North Little Rock who served as the event's medical director. The most striking thing to Dr. Garner was that many of the people who showed up at the clinic were working steady jobs -- they just couldn't afford health insurance.

"These are people with jobs and with families. They're in that tight squeeze between being unable to afford health insurance while not being eligible for government support."

Dr. Garner said one man who visited the clinic had recently received treatment at a local hospital for heart failure. He'd been told to see a cardiologist, but he didn't have insurance, so he couldn't. "He came here today, and we had to send him back to the hospital," she said.

This story is not uncommon in Little Rock. Curtis Williams, 54, registered for the clinic Saturday because he hasn't been to see a doctor in some time. His former employer relocated, and he lost his job and his health insurance along with it. "When my health insurance ran out, I was no longer able to see a doctor," he said. "I came here because it was free."

As of this writing, 63 percent of patients who came to the Little Rock clinic told volunteers that they do not see a doctor regularly. Thirteen percent of patients had not seen in a doctor in ten years.

"We're here to help," Ms. Lameoreaux said, "but that's heartbreaking."

The free clinic brought together more than 1,200 volunteers who attended to patients beginning at noon. "To have 1,200 volunteers come out on a Saturday to give their time is amazing," said Lamoreaux.

One of those volunteers was Arkansas Lt. Governor Bill Halter. "I saw a desire to have a clinic in Arkansas," he said. "We have 450,000 Arkansans currently without health insurance."

The politics of the event weighed heavily in Little Rock today as it had been reported that President Bill Clinton, in town to commemorate the fifth anniversary of his presidential library, would not attend the event.

"There are Democrats, Republicans, Independents and people disinterested in politics that are volunteering their time today," Mr. Halter said. "We've agreed not to talk about politics today."

M. Wali Shabazz, a volunteer from Little Rock and a Vietnam veteran, is one of those people. He voted for only the second time in his life in 2008 for Barack Obama. Before that, no candidate had received his vote since Shirley Chisolm appeared on the ballot for president, in 1972.

"I'm here because I fucked up in life," he said. "I'm trying to change it." Mr. Shabazz walked around the venue hall soliciting people to autograph his fire engine red C.A. R. E. volunteer T-shirt. "I plan to send this to Keith Olbermann to show him all the people that were here."

While the doors to the clinic are scheduled to close at 7:00 p.m., it is anticipated that hundreds of patients will receive care after that time. "We are who we are," Lamoreaux said. "If you're here, or if you show up a few minutes late with an appointment, we're going to see you."

After today, the National Association of Free Clinics heads to Kansas City, Missouri for a two-day event. In the meantime, Arkansans will be gearing up for a contentious health care debate in Washington, while trying to meet the needs of the hundreds of thousands of people without health insurance.

"After they leave here they are given information about the free clinics in Arkansas, about education and how to live healthier," Dr. Garner said.

Here's video of Lamar Alexander's remarks:

 
The debate over health care reform often takes place in a haze of numbers, cost curves and acronyms. Lamar Alexander lifted the fog for a moment on the Senate floor Saturday evening as the third-ranki...
The debate over health care reform often takes place in a haze of numbers, cost curves and acronyms. Lamar Alexander lifted the fog for a moment on the Senate floor Saturday evening as the third-ranki...
 
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Marlyn
Always wrong, but never in doubt.
11:39 AM on 11/23/2009
"a medical ghetto called Medicaid that none of us or any of our families would ever want to be a part of" ???

None of US? Who is us?

Medicaid is a godsend for the poor.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
12:54 PM on 11/23/2009
Medicaid helps tens of thousands. The Senator from Tennessee is simply ignorant.
03:55 PM on 11/23/2009
Wait a minute. Glad there was lots of publicity about this event, but a wonderful new FREE clinic has opening in the last year in LITTLE ROCK! Look it up folks it's already available: Harmony Health Clinic on Roosevelt Road.
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Jason Abdon
11:19 AM on 11/23/2009
The ghetto of medicaid? I'll take this any day as versus the republican plan of homelessne­ss. All Four pages of this bill.
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den1953
Save every US citizen buy American!
08:53 AM on 11/23/2009
It would be a great day if just once the average person that needs health care reform would show up in numbers not tea baggers people in real need for heath care in a peaceful protest show up and voice there concern for heath care. Show these Republican­s that we will not be high jacked by lobbyists from health care companies and Insurance companies that are ripping the American people off!
09:27 AM on 11/23/2009
There isn't that many out there. I wish they would show up and show how little numbers they really are. On the other hand, the people who will be stuck with the bill are enormous in numbers.
09:44 AM on 11/23/2009
Horse hockey. There are millions of us. We just can't afford to make the treck to DC, no one (FOX ) is underwriti­ng the costs for the working poor.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
11:03 AM on 11/23/2009
So very few people need the help and there are very many people who will have the cost spread onto them?
Are you sure which side of the argument you are on?
08:00 AM on 11/23/2009
Alexander and Corker are representa­tive of what's become of American politics. Alexander has been around too long and built is career on wedge politics. If we give a little to person B than person A has to lose of the little he has. It's the same old scare tactics used in the south for 150 years. Corker is a typical Wall Streeter ( though he never made it that far) only interested in seeing how he can set himself up for the future.

I'm also disgusted that Al Gore has remained silent on the situation in TN. Though born here, he was raised in D.C. and apparantly­, except for his mansion and its upkeep, cares little for the other native borns.

Neither Corker or Alexander have any real or rational solutions to fix healthcare­. I wonder how many of those people Alexander does't want "dumped" into Medcaid are dead or dying since he made his remarks.

As a county we ought to be ashamed.
09:31 AM on 11/23/2009
When you are on welfare, you should be grateful for anything that you get. You are living off of other people. In other words, people on Medicaid are leaches. Why shouldn't a politician try to prevent this?
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biznesschic
03:19 PM on 11/23/2009
Tell that to my best friend who went totally blind at age 35.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
08:00 PM on 11/23/2009
Dolt.

Welfare is sustenance living at best.

No one chooses it. The hoops you must jump through are demeaning and humiliatin­g.

Try some research before you spout off......
09:34 AM on 11/23/2009
leeches not leaches.
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yakmeat
My bank account is emptier than my micro-bio.
11:01 AM on 11/23/2009
Just curious, but have you ever seen the applicatio­n process for Medicaid? It's pretty rigorous, and to actually qualify for Medicaid, you have to be poor. A person must have assets of $2,000 or less before they qualify. And there is a 5-year "look-back­" window rule as well. This means that a person who has a stock portfolio and an summer home cannot just transfer those assets to their children or spouse in order to become "poor enough" to qualify for Medicaid the moment they find out that they'll need substantia­l health care.

Those on Medicaid are there because they have no other means to pay for their health care. Many of them are retired people who worked their whole lives and paid their taxes. They've paid their way, and are not "leeches".
02:18 AM on 11/23/2009
Part 1

I've read this article and have read some of the negative comments posted against health care reform. I personally saw and heard Senator Lamar Alexander on CSPAN Saturday. Sometimes, the things people say can leave you speechless­. Where do I start to put into words my response, my reaction, my sense of outrage over what some "humans" (And I use the terms loosely) do to other humans, by their inaction and words, and their sense of f.a.t complacenc­y and disinteres­t over people suffering and d.y.i.n.g. due to lack of health care. In my opinion, there should have been unanimous consent in the Senate to bring the bill to the floor by all 99 senators present. Why? Well, this is the United States of America, isn't it? We want to see people thrive in this country, don't we?
09:33 AM on 11/23/2009
We want people to thrive based upon their own efforts. We don't want leeches sucking the blood and effort out of the successful­.
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xxpossum
leftist bushwacker
09:42 AM on 11/23/2009
what like Wall Street, typical cant of oligarchs and aristocrat­s, what we have is a system that protects the few at the top at the expense of the many who are steadily sinking
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Marlyn
Always wrong, but never in doubt.
11:44 AM on 11/23/2009
Let them eat cake!
02:17 AM on 11/23/2009
Part 2

We love our country and want it continue to prosper into perpetuali­ty along with its people, don't we? We see and know there's the need to correct something and we do it, don't we? We don't use the trite, worn out expression like "taxes!" when we don't want to help our fellow citizens, do we? We don't waste billions in wars and say "taxes!" or say who's going to pay for it, do we? Why do we do it when it comes to providing resources to people living right here in the United States? We are concerned about our future generation of citizens being healthy and living a life of longevity, aren't we? We are not squabbling about keeping them alive, are we? I repeat, ARE WE?
09:36 AM on 11/23/2009
Obviously, you've never heard the battle cry, "Give me liberty or give me death". This health care is definitely not liberty.
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yakmeat
My bank account is emptier than my micro-bio.
11:03 AM on 11/23/2009
Under our current health care "system" we're already getting the death.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
01:02 PM on 11/23/2009
What liberty does it inhibit?

The liberty to die of easily treated illness? the liberty to pay premiums for years only to be dropped when you become ill?

Put your money where your mouth is and actually back up one of your ridiculous statements­!
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azdisabledsci
11:06 PM on 11/22/2009
ps, i live on less than $7000 a year.
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azdisabledsci
11:05 PM on 11/22/2009
I am part of that medical ghetto. I have a rare spinal cord injury called Syringomye­lia & I am being left to become paralyzed. I have to struggle to live every day. I have NO help. I cannot get housing that i can afford. I can't get dental care. All of my teeth are rotting out. I have already lost 2 teeth & I am gonna lose more soon. I can't afford glasses & I also have glaucoma. At least I can see a doctor for basic care & they pay for all of my medicine but I am gonna die soon from the stress. I am only 49.
11:53 PM on 11/22/2009
While it may sound morbid, everyone dies at some point. Some live longer than others, and some die from tragic causes through no fault of their own.

From an ethical and moral stand point, would it be better to spend the money to keep you going or to find a cure to the disease? You can't do both because there's not an infinite amount of resources.
Chauncey1186
Sink the Pink! Boycott SGK!
01:18 AM on 11/23/2009
And yet there seems to be no end of funds available to gear up the mechanisms to kill thousands or people in wars entered over resources.

And yes, not only is your comment morbid, it's incredibly heartless and cruel. I would urge you to rethink your premise carefully - sometimes it's not just about the money.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
03:20 AM on 11/23/2009
The funds are never limited when the deseral reserve want to spend money !

or the Government­/
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KevinHallShow
11:03 PM on 11/22/2009
It's amazing Lamar Alexander calls Medicaid a "medical ghetto", even though he has been in a position of power to change it and make it better. Mr. Alexander, if it is medical ghetto, you are the miserly, exploitati­ve slumlord unwilling to make the conditions better. Get a clue.
11:55 PM on 11/22/2009
At what cost do you make it better? Someone has to pay. Are you willing to pay more taxes for your fellow citizens? You should be willing to give the same percent as any other person.
12:09 AM on 11/23/2009
Yes, I'm willing to pay more taxes. But what I'd really like is if those earning over $250,000/y­ear were taxed at a higher rate. More tax brackets above that salary, higher tax rates... it would work.
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12:12 AM on 11/23/2009
I have said many times that I am, indeed, willing to pay more in taxes for my fellow citizens and myself to get universal health care.

Keep in mind that those higher taxes are being paid in lieu of having an employer sponsored health insurance. So rather than pay for the employer sponsored health insurance, I'd rather have that money go towards taxes for a universal health care system.
10:51 PM on 11/22/2009
The Congress should pass a health reform bill that puts themselves­, their families, their staff on that program...­then we will be assured of getting a great bill.
11:57 PM on 11/22/2009
How do you pay for the people who don't contribute­? BTW, you have all of the baby boomers who are retiring now and the Social Security and Medicare systems are broke.
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Jesster
12:48 AM on 11/23/2009
First we have to figure out what to do with all the people who contribute a lot of BAD STUFF and make a fortune doing it.
08:21 AM on 11/23/2009
The same way we pay for it for the senators..­..a tax...a tax for health care would be far cheaper than what most people pay for private health insurance premiums.
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fentondem
10:46 PM on 11/22/2009
what the good senator forgets is he and his family have socialized medicine..­...thanks to the taxpayers of this country
12:06 AM on 11/23/2009
Amen, say it again!
01:13 AM on 11/23/2009
They get it just like any other person from a large company. You have 2 or 3 choices from a private health insurance company. The company (in this case the Federal Government­) kicks in 70 to 80% of the total cost.
08:45 AM on 11/23/2009
That's the point fentondem is trying to make. The taxpayer is footing the bill (as you point out 70-80% of the total cost). And they have no fear of losing the insurance, whereas a company, on the other hand, has to depend on its ability to stay afloat and/or make profits to be able to provide that insurance to its employees.

When there's no fear of losing insurance, anyone can make grand statements like Mr.Alexand­er.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
01:34 PM on 11/23/2009
Several different insurance providers offer several different packages and plans at an exchange, similar to the one Obama proposed.

There are as many as 14 choices, how many employers offer that kind of choice to their employees?

A Cadillac plan at 80% off, while Americans can have PPOs or HMOs etc......
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
10:45 PM on 11/22/2009
People mistakenly believe that Obama&Demo­crats want public health care.

If TheBushYea­rs taught us nothing else, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid & relentless in your sales pitch & tactics. It's not that Bush&R0ve were geniuses & knew something that nobody else knew; Bush&R0ve were just more ruthless (clumsy & careless many political graybeards would say) in doing what politician­s & the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans.

Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine & the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in our nation's history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush&Chene­y off the table & have us still reelecting them, not marching on Washington with torches&pi­tchforks?

Obama&Demo­crats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it.

The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but that they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them in spite of their failure to deliver on any of our alleged shared objectives­.
01:16 AM on 11/23/2009
The torches and pitchforks are waiting for 2010. These Dems already know they are lame and will be vanquished­. Anything done today can be undone tomorrow.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
01:35 PM on 11/23/2009
That sounded far more sinister than I hope you meant that.

Vanquished­? Really?
10:18 PM on 11/22/2009
I would love to see these same senators lose out on their cushy, taxpayer funded health coverage. I'd love to see them have to seek out health care from private insurers, and learn how lucky they have it, all at our expense. They enjoy this sort of health benefit that we pay for, but they don't want us to be able to tap into it.
10:40 PM on 11/22/2009
What they get is called socialism. They seem to have no problem with the term in this case.
12:08 AM on 11/23/2009
Amen, say it again!
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cadawa
09:26 PM on 11/22/2009
While the GOPs are denouncing Medicaid, the Democrats are stealing from it.
They will be slashing a half a trillion from Medicare and Medicaid to pay for their faux health care reform bill. It isn't reform, it's tarp for the health care insurance industry and big pharma.
Please, Huffington Post, look into these bills. They are worse than nothing.
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fentondem
10:43 PM on 11/22/2009
thats nonsense
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Kremfresch
11:48 PM on 11/22/2009
b-b-but Glenn Beck SAID...
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SMAckley
11:51 PM on 11/22/2009
You are wrong. You are spouting the misinforma­tion from the talking points of the extreme right wing. You need to inform yourself.
09:20 PM on 11/22/2009
I live in Tennessee and know this state has been raped by the previous republican administra­tion Ex-Gov. Sundquist a good friend of Lamarr's. We would not have ten care if not for our present Gov. a democrat Bredesen. Gov. Bredesen has had a daunting task of trying to keep this state afloat after Sundquist!­!!!
Lamarr is a rich man along with his fellow republican Corker who have no regard for the poor of this state. They care less about helping the poor they would rather woo the foreign auto makers rather than help their own domestic auto builders in their state.
I have noticed all the republican senators would rather have the foreign auto makers build in their states seems to be a trend. Keep the masses down no middle class!!!!!­!
If it takes all my breath & strength I will campaign against these rich republican­s that are doing nothing for the working-cl­ass in this state. I don't think they will have a snow-ball chance of getting into heaven with their votes of NO to everything reccommend­ed by the democrats!­!!!!!!
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Jesster
12:36 AM on 11/23/2009
Not to mention the way they ignore or disregard everything called for by Jesus...
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
01:37 PM on 11/23/2009
While invoking his name at every turn......