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College Debt: What If I Had Not Gone to School? (VIDEO)

Posted: 02/22/10 01:55 AM ET

I owe roughly about $40,000 is student loans. This includes interest.

This equates to about half of all my school expenses, which includes much more than tuition, room and board. Though I'm proud to say I earned or worked my behind off to get the rest, it's always embarrassing to talk about.

I'm an inner city kid from Cleveland, Ohio. I also ask too many questions, hence my passion for journalism, which I'm studying. Unfortunately, I didn't ask enough questions when it came to going to college. I did apply for several scholarships both before and during my college experience, but the whole picture has always been a fuzzy one.


The hardest part about owing so much is knowing I am judged for my decision to go to school. If I had not gone to college I would be considered another statistical waste of space. As I am ending my college journey, people knowing this figure would say I did myself in and deserve everything coming to me. My answer to that is yes, I did, and maybe. They don't realize I resorted to the loan route because I had to. Little did I know I would go through all sorts of trials, like having funds snatched from me (this year it was nearly $3,000 taken away due to state budget cuts to a NEED-BASED grant) and scrambling to find a solution.

Even though I'm not as financially sound as I'd like to be, my experience has taught me so many things. Being enormously frugal is one. I do have my two indulgences, a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but that is all of the electronics I own. Whenever people casually ask why I don't have a car, I want to scream that it would be a luxury for me. The last time I was at a mall was a couple of months ago to see a $5 movie. Before then it had been at least a year. I've also had my fair share of semesters without my needed books for class. In making my dreams a reality, it's all worth it though. I'm simply in awe of the fact that some students are literally punished for wanting to aspire to anything.

Even though the last four years of my life have been a financial nightmare, I am grateful for the experience and wouldn't trade it for anything. I chose my school carefully; I wanted an institution with great academics. I'm literally paying the price, but nowadays that's the cost of success for people like me. Above all else, one of my top priorities is making my family proud and showing this wasn't a waste of time or money.

 
 
 
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12:21 PM on 03/02/2010
I want to piggyback off part of a posted comment and WELCOME any replies.
"The reality is that today's students will likely have 2 or 3 careers, long periods of unemployment, work on contract (read sans benefits) and work outside their degree field for much of their work lives. We are entering a shift in how we are employed and how we earn our livings. College degrees, with their tremendous cost and rigid outcomes, don't fit well in this brave new world."
This is my argument, basically. The way the world is changing, a degree does not give the security it once offered. The ENTIRE world is changing, and people want to use an outdated way of doing things. We are in a "new normal". We get used to it or we suffer the consequences. Case in point, journalism, a great field of study and much needed social tool, but now with ireporter's, the internet, cam phones, , free or sampled software, anyone can make a podcast, youtube video or"show, website, blog..... all without a college degree, some no high school degree. I think this new normal that i spoke of, will(and should) get back to where higher education was WANTED for the sake of wanting to learn, scholarly studies, and not a check-in-the-box for that oh-so-sweet-gig. There are very intelligent, innovative people with no degree, and the way the new normal is looking.... they'll succeed and hire the people with degrees.
06:50 PM on 02/25/2010
I am a BG grad, too. Fourty grand more than covers four years of tuition at BG. You didn't get money snatched from you. You just didn't have the extra luxury of free money. Most of us don't get these extra grants. I majored in journalism, and I'm confident that community college for the first two years of school would definitely be an option for a journalism major. Also, be thankful that you learned frugality in college because it will serve you well when you are paying off those loans. Instead of complaining about loans (which I have as well), we should be so thankful that we are the privileged few who were soooo lucky to earn a college degree.

By the way, I don't think society inadequately funds education. From my experience, colleges waste tons of money on unnecessary expenses because they know that we will just take out more loans to pay for it. Inefficiency is what really drives up the cost of education.
08:23 PM on 02/25/2010
Hello aj6767,

Please check out BG's website and see how much tuition costs. When I began it was about $15,500 a year. Now it is at least $16,000.

The amount I borrowed (without interest) is $32,000. That covers roughly two years of education. Where I got "stuck" is that I went for a year as one major, then changed majors after a year and effectively tacking on another year of school. I completed gen eds in high school. Aside from a few classes, I came in only needing a couple gen eds and a year's worth of college credits.

I indeed earned and worked for the other half of my education. Do the math. $32,000 plus another $32,000 or so is about the cost of four years there, plus funds for books and such. With interest my total is an upwards of $40,000 now.

I am a student from a low income background and had a need-based grant, as I am living independently. You just don't get a need-based grant out of thin air, you have to qualify per state regulations.

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10:29 AM on 04/17/2010
Hi Bliss,

I really liked your video and would like to talk to you about an idea I have regarding my new website, Lily's List. Please contact me at info@lilyslist.com Thanks, Jennifer Taylor, president

Background: I started a new website called www.LilysList.com to help students pay down their debt by re-directing gifts to their actual student loan accounts. When we get enough members to attract advertising, our plan is to share the revenue. Just another tool to hopefully help.
08:23 PM on 02/25/2010
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The state downsized its budget and one of the places they took money from was aid to students who are on the lower end of the income spectrum (i.e. working class on down). It was snatched from me as, 1.) Those who had the grant were informed they no longer did only about two months before the semester began, and 2.) There was no plan set in place for those of us with anemic incomes as it is to acquire options, other than working more hours a week if you had a job---which I did. Luckily I love my job.

You must have skimmed my story, because I never said I was not responsible for my experience. I do not want "free money" earning my dues in not a problem. I am one of few people, in fact the first person from my neighborhood, to even go to college. Being from the inner city, frugality is a lifestyle, college simply helped me use it as an adult. Again, I earned the rest of my tuition or worked 20-30 hours per week to fund the rest. I believe that if the majority of those seeking college shouldn't have to bury themselves in debt is all. When a majority is having issues, something is wrong.

Question: When did you attend BG? $40k hasn't been sufficient in covering tuition costs since before I even enrolled. One semester alone is $8k-$9k.

-B.D.
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10:51 PM on 02/24/2010
What advice do you sadder-but-wiser college grads have for high school kids who still have stars in their eyes about going off to school? My first thought is start off at a local state school and live at home, then transfer to the university where you want your degree to be from. Also, look at your skills and see whether a tech school would be a cheaper alternative. If you're a great computer tech, your customers aren't going to care whether you have a degree from Yale. I'm wondering if HS students are really being informed about their alternatives.
12:03 AM on 02/25/2010
Hello mslindac,

I am the student in the above post.

I attended a state college with an accredited journalism program. Only three universities in my state have accredited schools, something that is vital to obtaining decent internships. I did not choose the priciest school by any stretch of the imagination. Now, In journalism it is extremely difficult get employers to even sneeze in your direction without an internship. Also, my original plan was to attend school for three years as I had finished just about all of my gen eds in a post secondary education program. I changed my major after the first year and it bumped my time in school back to four years. As for costs, state schools hover in annual costs of about $15,000 nowadays, and that's being on the modest side. One of my siblings goes to a university up the street, lives rent free at home and STILL owes no less than $25,000 right now. (Sorry ace, if you're reading).

The only problem with seeking a job rather than a career is it may make one miserable. Trust me. I come from the inner city where jobs, rather than careers, abound. I'm not knocking this at all, but in all honesty, for me it's either don't get an education and be another black kid* working at a fast food place, the kind Rush Limbaugh would have a ball ripping to shreds, or be who I am now.

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12:26 AM on 02/25/2010
Forgot to add, an accredited school doesn't equate smarter students or anything. Only that it makes it much easier on yourself. The majority of places I sought out for internships wanted someone from an accredited school, and I knew this would be the case. Many intelligent, fully capable students from non-accredited schools have graduate and been a force to be reckoned with in the journalism world.
12:05 AM on 02/25/2010
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Also, technical skills are great--I've been a front end web developer since I was about 13-years-old--but technical skills will soon be scant as well with people flocking to whatever will get them out the whole the fastest. Certification is the buzzword of this decade. It doesn't matter what you know how to do, you have to either back it up with paper or get someone to hire you regardless. Both are exceedingly difficult to do.

Ultimately, this is what a H.S. student should consider:
Going to a school that offers the best balance of what you need. I did this, and actually earned about $30k through scholarships, grants and working on average 20-30 hours a week for four years. I am also an artist and sell work on the side.

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01:00 AM on 02/25/2010
Thanks for the reply, Bliss. I just hope some of the kids who could really use informed advice will read your blog.
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seffffffffla
02:22 AM on 02/24/2010
i went to law school, am $150k in debt and the legal market collapsed underneath me smack in the middle of it all.
sucks. so is life.
it's worth it to do the work i want to. the alternative was bleak.
both you and I will still get jobs and pay off the debt (eventually).
anyone hiring recent ucla law grads in the la/nyc/sf area? haha
01:11 PM on 02/23/2010
This thread has done wonders for my confidence. Every time one of these articles on debt gets posted some jerk with financial security tells me I'm irresponsible and I deserve to be homeless..... for going to school! I grew up in a town supported by two hard labor companies. One went under while i was in high school and the other cut half of it's employees a year later. School was never an option. My parents made all of there children go just so we wouldnt have to spend the rest of our lives working at the local grocery store. I dont (cant) own a car, my laptop was a gift from a loving aunt and my phone came free with my plan (the cheapest one on the market), no internet. I set my own credit card limit at a rate i knew I would always be able to pay off and always hold at least one job and some how- I'm irresponsible. It makes me want to scream
09:11 AM on 02/24/2010
What makes me want to scream is everything you mentioned, plus the fact that within the next few years, that college degree you just earned may be enough to get you a low-wage job at that local grocery store - if you are lucky.
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floodberg
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11:20 PM on 02/22/2010
I was beginning to think that someone like you was an urban legend. No car, no electronic toys. Every person I know who took a lot of college debt (1) bought a car (usually new) with the educational loans (as a "living expense") and (2) has electronic toys and clothes that most working people can't afford. When the loans started being available for "living expenses," it became an easy way to buy a car for a lot of people; there should have been clear limits on the loan forms, but that doesn't absolve personal responsibility. it sounds like you have your head screwed on straight. Not every choice you make will be right, but you practiced caution in your educational and financial choices, and take responsibility for mistakes you've made. I'm sure your family is proud of you; all of us who worked our way through college and grad school without loans congratulate you.
09:13 AM on 02/24/2010
When did you work your way through college and grad school without loans, and what were you doing for a living? If I hear one more baby boomer blather on about how responsible they are for working their way through college without student loans, my head may explode.
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04:38 PM on 02/22/2010
I'm currently a college student too, at SUNY Binghamton, and I feel for you! I probably have about the same amount of debt as you, and I have no clue how I'm going to pay it off; I hope I can find a career out of school and spend carefully my first few years of working. We should never feel ashamed for getting an education; it's an amazing time in our lives to discover our passions and discover our independence. I think the best way to combat debt is to be proactive--you can't pay it off without working hard after school's done to find work. There are jobs out there, you're just not looking hard enough!
09:14 AM on 02/24/2010
Except that sometimes there simply aren't enough jobs out there for all the people who are graduating and seeking work.
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WFWS
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12:29 PM on 02/22/2010
College degrees are a product, and need to be evaluated as such. A 4 year degree from an average university is expensive, and is no longer a guarantee of a job or income.

The reality is that today's students will likely have 2 or 3 careers, long periods of unemployment, work on contract (read sans benefits) and work outside their degree field for much of their work lives. We are entering a shift in how we are employed and how we earn our livings. College degrees, with their tremendous cost and rigid outcomes, don't fit well in this brave new world.

Certainly there is great value in the liberal education colleges provide. But it may make as much sense to choose shorter, more specific job training and accumulate less education debt in the face of a changing job marketplace.

Don't get me wrong. I love my education. But I could have made more money as an electrician than I have thru my BS in Business Admin. My life has been enriched by the liberal education part of my degree, but since the degree I have found many ways to enrich and broaden my life that are much less expensive.

Good luck to you, and kudos for pursuing our passion.
09:15 AM on 02/24/2010
Hear, hear! If I had known as a kid what I know today, I would definitely have gone into plumbing.
10:51 AM on 02/22/2010
You should never, ever feel embarrassed or ashamed for having gone to college. You can kick yourself for not having had the foresight to understand the burden of the debt you would be getting yourself into, but that is a failing of a society that inadequately funds higher education.